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Freudian slip during fight. Is DH feeling regret?

Healyourslf's picture

When DH's friends and family visit, I pull out the red carpet. DH moved from a 2star existence with BM to 5star living when we committed. We live by the beach and have plenty of extra bedrooms so we often have friends and family visit for days. I work from home and it is double-duty to juggle work with hostessing. DH plays poolside host while I do the hostess hustle. We like sharing our "good life" with others and I think it boosts DH's ego, but it gets under my skin when I feel taken for granted. (The house and its trappings are mine and in trust to BD. DH made an average living and BM ruined him financially.)  

We just had a couple of DH's siblings and their spouses visit. The morning after they left, DH decided to go fishing. When he fishes, he leaves very early in the am and is then shot for the rest of the day.  A fight ensued. I feel that I have always done the preparation and accommodating when it came to his family and friends. (I have 1 brother. DH has 11 siblings.)  DH can be self-absorbed and I needed a break and some attention. I was frustrated and felt taken for granted so I spouted, “Sometime do you think I could come before YOUR needs, YOUR problems or YOUR family's needs? Stop being selfish!” 

DH's response to this was, ”I always put you first. I picked you over SD didn't I?” <<<<<drumrolllll>>>>> My head spun around exorcist style and I lashed back, “Are you inferring that I made you choose? That's complete bullshit! How about the fact that SD treats you like a personal slave and ATM and BM emotionally abused you for decades? Ya think maybe that's the reason you couldn't take it anymore?

Gaslighting hits a raw nerve so I made it clear to DH that I am not the cause for his disengagement and that he should NEVER EVER point the finger at me for forcing a choice. “Don't you dare blame me for something that was in the making for years before I entered your life. YOU and BM raised a narcissistic, entitled asshole. BD, who was raised in an affluent environment yet had her first job at 14, is respectful and kind whereas SD who never had to work (because she was in dance with BM playing dance mom) acts entitled and lives in a princess fantasy. YOU are the one who created the monster because you could not lay down boundaries and allowed her to think she was the top of the food chain. YOU made the choice to disengage because you finally accepted she was toxic and wasn't going to change.”  DH apologized for what he said stating, “that came out wrong.” 

Here's what I cannot get off my mind.  I can't help but think it was a Freudian slip. I did not force him to choose. I made a personal choice to stop feeding the wolves and left him to it.

Just wondering if others had their partners throw disengagement back in their face during emotionally charged situations? I never made it about “pick SD or me.” Rather, it was BM and SD continually playing their manipulative games trying to force DH's hand and create a rift between us. DH is in therapy right now because of the trauma patterns these two women have left him with. 

Do you think that somewhere in his head, DH is remorseful about his choice? I know I would feel horrible if my BD and I were disengaged then estranged.  However, BD is nothing like SD and has always been respectful, loving and honest towards DH. She calls us, "her parents."  I cannot help but wonder if DH is going to subconsciously feel that I am to blame. I am holding steadfast to disengagement from SD for my own mental health.  I have stopped pretending that I even remotely like or respect her as a person. She really is an asshole.  Other family members (DH's siblings who have known BM and SD for many years) have confirmed BM and SD are manipulative and they've had their own negative experiences with them.  DH hopes SD will go to therapy. I've told him several times that narcissists rarely admit they are the problem, let alone work to repair the damage they've done to others.

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CLove's picture

DH recently made a comment during an argument that if not for the fact that I am his number #1 priority, he would have his daughter back in the house.

That made me stop and think for a long bit. I think that men are a little less fluent in the language of phycholgy. My DH is a simple man, with simple language. Im the one he always sais "has the words". Im the one that introduced Narcissitic Personality Disorder to him - and it made sense to him that there was a name for the disordered personalities he had to deal with. Otherwise he just calls them "sick" and toxic".

I dont think he is regretting his decision to be with you, but in his mind, if he didnt have you in his life (good bad or indifferent) he is stating the fact that he would have her in his life. And other family members have been dealing with Toxic Feral for a lot longer than I have and in many different ways (large family, loads of accusations)

It sounds like you were just tired, drained and that hit a nerve. That would hit my nerve too, because - yes, thats his BLOOD, his SEED, but the fact remains that she is not a positive force in his life and is a parasite. You dont reward a parasite for being a parasite. You try to keep it away from you.

Harry's picture

THE HAPPY FAMILY !!  He want to love his DD and DD wants to love him. He wants you to play the part of BM and do all the things to make the happy family.  Cook, bake, clean, do Birth D party’s holidays.  He should sit back and it will work out.  Unfortunately his chance for happy family  went with his devorice.  But doesn’t understand he screw up the first time, now he is screwing up again.  But it’s not his fault he screw up. It’s every one else fault 

StepUltimate's picture

OMG yes, heard that, got the t-shit (typo/Freudian slip and it stays). 

However, I'm hearing that from DH about me & SS18... but my DH is not in, or willing to go to, therapy. He very reluctantly kicked SS18 out but is angry at me, and pleading with me to let SS move back in... with NO change in rules because it would be too much for pwecious helpless SS18... but has no answer to me pointing out SS got kicked out because he refused to respect the rules. 

So yeah, I'm hearing and rejecting it. I'm the wife, choice already made. My SS & I actually get along great (specially since he moved out), I just don't want to live with him anymore because I resent hosting an adult stoner who refused to get his license, sign up for community college, do his laundry, clean his room,  clean anything, and stop the lying & pot smoking/vaping/whatev.

Thanking God for StepTalk & all the positive reinforcement I receive from this community. 

ITB2012's picture

I do think that your DH slipped up and revealed something. Just not sure what. I say that because I'm still trying to figure out what my DH was thinking when he said something over a year ago.

I don't remember the reason or theme of the conversation but DH threw at me that if it weren't for me and BM, the skids would be going to the HS in our area (they had a very vague divorce decree in some areas and this was a drawn out process to choose which HS, involved lawyers and a GAL). I asked what he meant and he kept going, so this wasn't just a lashing out. That he knew the skids said something. I quizzed him since I was wondering and worried if I had skewed something. Nope, DH actually knew nothing, he just "knew." This was a big deal to me since this happened back when I was more engaged and thinking we were a team and spent a lot of time researching the schools, helping him with his reasoning, and even funded a lot of it from his side.

I mentioned his accusation about a month ago and he says he doesn't remember that and wouldn't have said that. So these are the scenarios playing in my head:

1. He was trying to make me feel bad and just said whatever hurtful thing was even a little related. It's bad that he'd say such a hurtful thing if he didn't mean it enough to remember it.

2. He was projecting his anger about the situation onto me, since he cannot be at fault for it. This happens a lot as he cannot handle bad feelings. Yet logically he must know with no proof that it's also still just hurtful and he must think very little of me to say something mean like that in order to assuage his bad feelings. And because he uses me as the scapegoat, he can forget his bad feelings.

3. He meant everything he said and he's just pretending not to remember. This is also bad as it means he's lying and playing me.

If your DH thinks he gets a pass on everything he doesn't want to do because he believes he did this major "choosing" thing, that's a problem. What do you think made him say it? Does he believe it? Was he trying to get out of something? Was he feeling guilty about something?

Healyourslf's picture

Last night I dreamnt that I was stuck in a hotel room on New Year's eve.  I felt drugged and incapable of moving.  I put all the used towels in a pile for the maids to launder, but instead they just put new ones on top of pile. My ex was in the dream and he kept lying to me saying, "it's not the New Year." I was crying in the dream because I felt helpless and it was vitally important for me to bring in the New Year and I couldn't. Is that Freudian or what?!!!  DH said he heard me whimpering and held me without waking me.  Funny, even though I was dreaming and couldn't wake up...I knew DH was right next to me holding me. When I woke up we discussed it. My subconscious is definitely working overtime. 

The hostess juggling and consideration of my efforts is easily resolved - that is simple frustration and the ability to communicate my needs. However, any statement or thought that is connected to SD still frays me. I still cringe when I hear her name, but I am able to civilly discuss her if necessary. 

I'm both weary and wary of destruction that SD and BM have left behind. There's a little piece of truth in most of the replies and I appreciate the input.  DH is committed to therapy and I am sure his angst about "choosing" will come up as a point of anger/frustration during one of the sessions.  I have empathy for his process of disengagement from SD, but I don't want to leave any cracks in the foundation.  We are in our late 50's, committed to our relationship and realize it will be an eye-opening process to uncover and heal the damage created in the past. 

I am so ready for the New Year!  

ESMOD's picture

To be fair... did he realize you would be upset by him going fishing?  Have you expressed frustration before with him about not pulling his weight when it comes to entertaining (mostly his) family and friends?  Did you just jump straight to the point of calling him selfish?

I know it's tough, a lot of times we as women try to make people guess at what we want them to do.  I did it for years with my DH and getting me gifts.  Finally this year, I pretty much made it clear that no gift was not going to be well regarded by me.. and he actually came through... it was a nail biter though lol.

So, have you told him that while you do like helping him entertain that part of the deal is that you would like to feel taken care of a little after the guests leave?  That you need help getting things straight.  Or have you done what many of us do and say "don't worry, I will get it (change sheets.. do laundry.. wash dishes etc...).  We hope that our partners will see how hard we work and appreciate it and pitch in.. but sometimes people can be dunces about noticing when we need attention.

I mean, maybe he needs a break from "people" after the guests leave and that's why he went of fishing?  That is his way of decompressing.  I know you feel  you are doing more heavy lifting but perhaps the socializing is draining to him to (introverts do need to recharge after too much people contact).  Maybe going forward you could figure out how to balance things and have him take a bigger role in hosting the guests.. he plays "bartender" and also is in charge of grilling the main dish.. you throw in a couple of your specialties and perhaps you order in or buy some specialty sides.. from a local eatery/grocer?

Now, his response was a bit of a low blow and perhaps there is some part of him that thinks that if it weren't for you he wouldn't have pulled the trigger on disengagement.. would have suffered along as he was doing before.  At the root of it, she is still his child and he must have some amount of regret at the way things turned out.. not that it's really YOUR fault.. but it is what it is.  But he might have sort of lashed out if he felt he was being "unfairly attacked".  Like I mentioned earlier.. not sure how much he should have realized fishing was a no go before he went and did it.  So if he didn't realize that you would be mad.. then he got called on the carpet.. he might have been just being defensive.. 

I don't think he regrets "choosing you".. but I think there will probably always be a part of him as a father that regrets having to set boundaries that mean he is estranged from his child... as necessary as it might have been.

Healyourslf's picture

I think we are both guilty of being assumptous and not clearly communicating our needs.  When something erupts, we realize we need to review the situations which created the fighting. We are both guilty of taking things for granted.  And, we so often put the family and everything else before our own needs.  I am going to limit visits. It's too much and really interferes with my ability to work at home uninterrupted.  

As far as the "choosing" comment, I am going to bring it up again at some point in a non-confrontational way. I would really like to know what is stewing in DH's head. 

 

ESMOD's picture

TBH, I don't think that it is so much "stewing" in his head... as he probably felt a little blindsided by your being upset with him for going fishing.. his mind scrambled for a millisecond and threw out that line... in vain attempt at showing how he does value you.

It probably is true that without your presence.. he would still be head whipping boy for his daughter... if he is like a lot of guys.. they avoid conflict to the point where they go along with things to avoid unpleasantness.  When he met you, he realized that his life didn't have to be run that way and he realized that it was no longer just him putting up with the crapfest.. but anyone he was with.. and he cared enough about you to choose to put an end to it.. for both of your sakes.  So.. in a way he did choose you.. but that doesn't mean he regrets THAT.. but he probably still carries a small amount of guilt and regret that he can't have a good relationship wiht his daughter.. because of the way SHE is.

I don't think this is some festering boil that you need to bring to the surface but I do think you should have a frank discussion about entertaining and everyone's responsibilities etc.. and how you would prefer him to behave after they leave.. ie give you one on one time.

Healyourslf's picture

I agree...feeling the "insecurity" about the "choosing" statement dwindle.  I trust my DH and he has proven the ability to change for the better.  Thanks!