Don't tell the SKIDS we went on vacation without them?????!!!!!
Okay, so DH had the nerve to pout because the SKIDS found out that we went on a vacation without them...DH, Bios, and I. He said that when SS10 found out, he cried.......AAAANNNNNNNDDDDD???? I informed him that fun and vacation are not limited to visitations and that I don't see BM calling and scheduling vacations that involve my kids! I am sooooooooooooo over his guilt-parenting!
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My point is that we won't sit
My point is that we won't sit around saving all the fun for when his kids are here for 2 months in the Summer....I said that to him to show him how ridiculous he sounded!
Perhaps that's what works for
Perhaps that's what works for your family, however, the dynamics in my family are a bit different, obviously. I don't see the fairness in making the kids who live with us full time sit around doing nothing, basically, until, the royal chariot arrives with the SKIDS and the fun begins. What kind of message, would that send to the BIOS!!!???
I agree! So once again your
I agree! So once again your kids should have no big vacation unless skid is w/you, but the skid gets big vacations w/both mom and dad? Gotta love it...
We were starting to get there when our son was about 4-5...Of course the view was "BM paid for that vc, not me"...So I quickly told him "great, no problem...any vc w/out skid I pay for, any with her YOU pay for"...and when DH didn't have money to take skid on vc, then it was "still" not fair...BTW my kiddo has never been on vc for a month, neither have I, neither has DH...BM did however expect DH to pay 1/2 of skids month long vacations with her...sure.
How sad for your children
How sad for your children that they had to wait to celebrate their birthdays when their half-siblings were with you. Did your stepdaughter tell her mother-"wait, I don't want to have my birthday until I am with my stepbrothers/stepsisters?"
I don't this it is inconsiderate at all, in fact I consider having your own children wait to vacation, etc. inconsiderate to them.
"but taking a vacation here
"but taking a vacation here or there without her is not going to hurt her in anyway."
BINGO!
DH and I went to see Alice in
DH and I went to see Alice in Wonderland when it came out. I made a huge mistake by talking about it at dinner one night and SS was like "you went to the movies without me?" and i said "yes, we went on a date". I thought DH was going to die. DH said something to me after dinner. I told DH that it was ok to have a life when SS wasn't here. WTF is that???!!! SS10 lives with us!!! Why is he still a guilty parent???
Hmm I can understand how he
Hmm I can understand how he would be upset, but you are definately taking the more realistic route. Maybe you guys need to have a talk with SS and let him know that even though you love him just as much as the other kids it will not always be possible for him to come to all the family things.
I am assuming that you guys keep things pretty seperate, so remind him that even though he will be missing out on things he will still be getting everything he does, like two birthday parties and christmas gifts from two families.
I can understand how frustrated you are right now, by try to have some understanding for your man too. He's probably a big baby dealing with his guilt issues, and trying not to hurt all of the people he loves. Let him deal with it in his way and remind him that he has done nothing wrong. (Unless you count sleeping with Bm in the first place! }:) )
i hate when kids do that
i hate when kids do that shit.all kids do it too even my own.it's like they expect you to stop living just because they aren't there.sorry kiddies but i will live my damn life to the fullest regardless of who is there to join me.get over it.
WHOA!!! I'm really happy to
WHOA!!!
I'm really happy to know that it's not just me! As if our lives don't begin until the SKIDS are around and the world stops spinning when they leave! And the crocodile tears from SS10 are nothing but a ploy that DH cannot see through......sigh.....
Exactly, BLM... You hit the
Exactly, BLM...
You hit the nail on the head...
BLM said it perfectly. I
BLM said it perfectly. I wish all of our DH's understood this.
I agree with BLM. I made the
I agree with BLM. I made the mistake of planning most "big" activities around the times that my SD's were home. I thought that it was good for us to get to experience all of those things together as a family and that DH would appreciate the effort.
I can tell you from experience...it blew up in my face. My bio-daughter ended up feeling like we were favoring the SK's because we never planned anything special when it was just her. On top of it SK's and DH were ungreatful as hell so none of it worked out in the end anyway. I dont think you are wrong at all, Ivy.
Thanks for the example,
Thanks for the example, Crystal....I can see how that could happen and that is exactly my point.
BLM - you hit it on the
BLM - you hit it on the head....... sometimes is just doesn't work out the way to involve SK's in everything single thing. It is just reality of blended families.
It has happened to us both ways.... although we really miss SD when she is not there - we can not force a court order - so we deal with it. The sk's have another side of the family that misses out on somethings as well.
He have something similar
He have something similar going on right now. My bio kids are on vacation in another state for 5 days with my parents. SKids are are getting to do a fun kid camp where their Maternal Gma works for 2 weeks that my boys wouldn't be able to attend even if they weren't out of town. All four of them are getting to do SOMETHING. It does feel a little akward though just because DH and I try very hard to include all 4 kids in everything together. Especially movies. If there is a particular one we want to see as a FAMILY we do our best to schedule it on a day that EVERYONE will be with us. Which isn't easy to do since we aren't on the same visitation schedule with both sets of kids!!
Your DH should have reminded his child that just like he gets to do fun things with his bio mom while he's with her without the other kids, your bio kids get to do fun things with their bio mom without the other kids.
Yes, WV, He should
Yes, WV,
He should have....but that DivorcedDaddyGuilt has him convinced that somehow his kids, who live 1300 miles away, should be involved in ALL of our FUN family activities. Of course, he hasn't even mentioned flying them down here to do chores, do volunteer work or any of the other great family activities that we have to do!
I know what you mean. I have
I know what you mean. I have asked my DH this question: if SS is supposed to be involved in ALL family activities, how come he didn't have to help with spring cleaning when he came to visit? Or how come he never had to clean his room when visiting? I never got a good answer.
Life does not end just
Life does not end just because the Skids are not with you.
When he was young (1-12ish) we would reserve the big vacations for when he was with us (with a couple of exceptions).
As he has gotten older (he is now 17)we book the vacations when we want to take them. SS can participate of not. It is his choice if he wants to participate.
If the vacation schedule conflicts with SpermClan visitation then he has a choice to make. If THEY refuse to let him change his scheduled visitation then THEY are the ones denying him the opportunity ....... not us.
The judgement gives them 5wks in the summer, ~1wk Winter (Alternating yearly between before and after Dec 25) and 1wk Spring. They have to give us 60day written notice of the start date of the visitation if they intend to take the time. When he was younger we did not deviate from the judgement. There were many occassions when BioDad and the rest of the SpermClan did not take the visitation due to financial issues. On those occassions we did things that we otherwise would not have done if he was gone for visitation.
The supplemental rules for the county of jurisdiction say that visitation is not voluntary but for older children (it does not define older) both parents need to be sensitive to the childs opininion and developing personal life.\
We have applied that rule very liberally.
So ...... I have absolutely no issue with vacationing without the Skids. I would however call the BM and tell them we are going on vacation on X days if you want Skid to come speak now or fore ever hold your bitching.
Put the issue on BM and you, DH and your joint kids enjoy your vacation if BM does not allow your Skid to go.
Just my thoughts of course.
Best regards.
I'm sorry, I don't understand
I'm sorry, I don't understand why I should clear my activities with children.
Exactly...
Exactly...
I don't think he said clear
I don't think he said clear them, just inform them because they're going to find out sooner or later. It might save some hurt feelings if they're prepared for it.
But on the flip-side, if they
But on the flip-side, if they know before it happens them BM gets plenty of time to make it an issue with the kids. Why give them more PAS ammo? We can't tell SD anything before it happens because while she may take it well, her BM will use it to her advantage. SD gets to do things with her BM that our BS doesn't get to do, and vice versa. Given that we only get to see her 4 times a year it's insanely unrealistic and even more insanely unfair to our BS to expect him to wait for everything to happen when she's here. It would only make him resent her over time. JMO of course.....
I do know what you mean about
I do know what you mean about playing it close. We usually don't tell the skids about anything major and exciting we've got planned for fear that BM will try to ruin it.
Then in that case shouldn't
Then in that case shouldn't it have been DH who "informed" them?
Yes. I do think DH should
Yes. I do think DH should have if it was warranted.
This is a reply to which
This is a reply to which statement?
Seriously? There's a
Seriously? There's a question of why I would need to clear my activities with a 5 and 10 year-old?
My bf's son, Godzilla, likes
My bf's son, Godzilla, likes wrestling (WWE) and so does my son. BioMom knows my son likes wrestling because Godzilla has probably mentioned it since he plays with my son. Well, anyway, wrestling was in town and I guess she thought we were taking my son and not Godzilla. So, she HAD to call and find out if we had bought a ticket for Godzilla as well. She said "I'll pay for it if you'll take him too" We weren't even going! Nobody ever said we were! She's a freakin' fruitcake. Why would we take my son and not his anyway? That's just crazy! It makes me mad thinking about it because I know she thinks that since I have a son that my bf is going to stop doing things with his kids, which is SOOOO not true. I know she was hoping that my bf would say that we had tickets for us but not Godzilla so she could tell him "Mommy will take you". She gives those kids every da#$ thing they want. And they don't NEED any of it. She thinks that buying your kids everything they cry for is being a good mother. Gag....
We are trying to get the
We are trying to get the oldest daughter to realize that he mother is what she is, a manipulative Bi$%#. She gives, gives, gives, but when its time for the kids to do something around the house or help out with something, she wonders why they won't do anything. So, she promises them toys or whatever, manipulating them to do whatever she says. With my son, he has chores every day. If he doesn't do them, then he doesn't do anything. We have the concept in our home, you do something for you get something. You do nothing, you get nothing. Simple.
You know, the funny thing is
You know, the funny thing is that BM doesn't care whether we spend time with them or not, she just wants to be rid of them...
The biomom I deal with just
The biomom I deal with just wants the kids to hate their father and everything that is connected to him. But, when its time for her to do her pills with her pill head buddies, the kids get shipped off to Dad's. Her day is coming. She doesn't know it yet, but I will NOT stand for those kids to be subjected to that environment. She's a loser in my book.
Lemme tell you. You can't win
Lemme tell you. You can't win for losing with these BMs anyway.
We just went on a big family vacation. The skids knew about it way ahead of time. BM proceeded to try and brainwash them out of being excited about their vacation with us.
"Oh you're not going to have any fun. That's lame." so on and so forth. She was totally jealous.
The kids had a blast as did we. But it was expensive. We may not get another vacay like that with the skids for years.
I think you are nice to
I think you are nice to include SKs at all on vacations! I would purposely plan family trips with "our family" which is me, DH, and our 2 girls. Maybe I'd feel differently if I'D brought the same baggage from prev that DH did, but I didnt so...I dont!
Also, BM gets CS plus ALL tax deductions, and takes major vacations every year including SS, so in my opinion, DH has paid toward those. The last vacation DH and I had was our honeymooon 10 years ago. Since then, all we could afford was little weekend jaunts with our daughters, and no, we dont need any extra tagalongs.
Besides, DH has indulged and entertained SS every other weekend for his entire life...it's seriously been anything he wants the entire visit, down to every detail. So now his sense of entitlement is unreal, and no way would I ever be willing to feed that!
I see your point, MWM, and I
I see your point, MWM,
and I feel your frustration....I am done being a slave to the entitlement issues of others.
He has and he does...
He has and he does...
I grew up in a bio family and
I grew up in a bio family and I didn't get to go everywhere that my siblings went or I wasn't bought something everytime they were...so that's not the issue here.
and vice versa, so, not sure
and vice versa, so, not sure I follow you or see your point
My bf's daughter is 14 and
My bf's daughter is 14 and chooses not to visit with him because its "boring". He's fine with it. He has kept a journal since he split from his ex and it has proven to be a handy little tool. He keeps track of when he goes to the kids ball games, when the come to visit, when he calls them and talks, when he calls them and they don't answer, calling them and they don't return the call, texting, etc.
I don't see anything wrong in
I don't see anything wrong in doing something with just you and DH, or with just your kids. I have told Dh that we wouldn't be waiting around for SS to do EVERYTHING. If I want to take my kids to the zoo and it works out on a day that SS is with his BM then so be it. Why should my kids suffer because there brother isn't home? It is the same thing when I was a kid. If I was visiting my grandma, my little sister got to do things with my parents without me. Now I won't be going to disneyland without him but I think a trip to the movies, or the zoo or even a vacation that doesn't involve disneyland is perfectly fine to do without SS. Besides SS gets to see EVERY movie he wants when he is at his BMs so if I wait to take him with us, there is a good chance he has already seen it and will talk about it the entire time. How am I suppose to explain to my children that SS gets to go on vacation or to movies with his mom doing the school holidays, but we have to stay home because we can't do anything without SS.
I do not think you were
I do not think you were unreasonable in anyway about this situation. I would feel the same way, and I do. My SD does not live with us, but it is very frustrating when we have to wait until she is here to do anything "fun". I don't have any bio kids of my own, but I still feel like by waiting until she arrives it is placing this child on a pedestal and creating a monster. The child feels entitled to everything and I am sorry that is not how it works. There is a hierarchy in the house and you little miss are not an adult. I do not see anything wrong with taking vacations and other trips without skids. The world does not revolve around them. They are simply a part of it and the world keeps on spinning. I do not believe in putting the child or children as the center of everything. My relationship with my fiance is the most important to me, because in the end it will be him and I when the kids are gone and grown and on their own. You are not alone in how you feel. I know when my fiance plans things when SD is here it bothers me. He doesn't want to plan anything "fun" for the both of us unless it involves her. Granted, he is getting better and slowly seeing the light...lol. I would calmly talk with your husband and just explain that you feel this creating a situation where the skids feel entitled and your children will end up resenting the Skids. If you don't live in the house full-time don't expect to be treated as such. Your lives do not stop just because they show up. They have to mesh with everyone else. I hope this makes some sense.
Exactly...
Exactly...