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Is this normal for a 2.5 year old?

Gia's picture

I have a son, and in his annual check up, the doctos referred me to a neurologist, audiologist and speech therapist because my son doesn't talk. She wanted him to get him checked for autism but I don't think he has autism as I have read a lot about it and he does not fit the "profile" he is extremely social, he never "acts" deaf, he is very aware of his surrounding and is extremely loving. He points at things etc...

Anyway, Early intervention program has yet to contact me to make an appointment and provide an a evaluation for my son and therapy at home if needed.

There is something that is worrying me/annoying me from my son, and I highly doubt that this is normal for his age.

When he touches something he shouldn't have, This is all the things I have tried doing:

-Slap his hand
-Time out in a corner
-Yell at him

After ANY of the following (not all together) I would talk to him and explain why he shouldn't touch it, I then ask (and this is where the problem is) "ARE YOU GOING TO TOUCH IT AGAIN?" and he says "yeah", If I tell him to say "NO" he says no, but when I ask him, "are you going to touch it again?" he keeps saying "yeah" it doesn't matter how many times I explain to him, or tell him NOT to touch it, or tell me to say he WON'T touch it, he will keep saying "YEAH".

He just doesn't get it. He understands the concept of yeah and no, otherwise, if I ask him if he wants to touch a roach or something "yucky" he will say no.

If I ask him to show me what happens when he touches certain item (T.V, my makeup, the turle, etc) he will proceed to slap his own hand showing me that that is what will happen.

That is not the only problem I'm having with my son, in addition to that, he also does not listen no anything I say. He will just keep doing it, it does not matter how many times I put him in time out or spank him, or explain to him, he just doesn't care, he does not have any concept of future consequences at all.

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LMR120's picture

I think you should bring this up to the doc when you have the appt to see if he has autisim. It could be slight autisim. Please keep us posted as to what the doctors say.

Gia's picture

I will keep this and many other issues. I keep a journal and write all of my concerns in regards to my son in it. So I can share that with the doctor.

lastchance's picture

Check out Asperger's. It is a milder form of Autism basically. Many people with Asperger's, from my experience (7 years in the developmentally disabled field), can form bonds but have issues with boundaries. Not saying this is what your son has going on, but something to check out.

An aquientance(sp?) of mine has a son that suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome (again, not implying anything, just an example). When he touches things he knows he is not supposed to touch he will slap his own hand as punishment.

stepmom2one's picture

My BIL that is 11 has this as well.

Now that he has been on the correct medication he is a completely normal child. He needs some extra help at school but really that is about it.

My BS3 was/is a very difficult child. He often does not listen and plays "dumb" when he knows very well what I am talking about. Just this morning he threw his breakfast on the floor and says "do I have to go to my room now?" then threw his brothers breakfast on the floor.

I have talked to several different people about him (drs, peds, teachers etc) and they say this is him. Nothing wrong medically, he is a difficult child.

Gia's picture

I would like to talk to you in a personal level because I honestly can say that my son is THE most difficult child I have ever seen/dealt with. SINCE BIRTH...

stepmom2one's picture

sure. I am probably were you are, sadly.

Friday, at the grocery store he took off with my cart (with my 1 yr old inside) running down asiles. Then he took it and was running it into the sides....I had to call my DH while at the store. This is just one example, I hardly take him anywhere anymore.

After many discussions with his preschool teacher and dr. they assure me that he is just hyper-active and naughty. Some kids are just this way, he can be the sweetest little boy but sometimes SOOO hard to deal with.

JustAnotherSM's picture

My 4yo was like this when he was 2. Although I worried about autism at the time, he does not have autism or aspergers. But he does have issues when it comes to listening and he has the need to touch EVERYTHING! It drives me crazy sometimes. We tried spanking and timeouts too, but they did not work for us. So we tried this:

1) Posted house rules. There are only 3 rules to remember: Listen, Talk Nice and Play Nice. Everything else can be combined under one of these rules. Specific actions like touching things he shouldn't or screaming when being punished should be included.

2) When rules are broken, there is a consequence. Right now we take away a toy for every infraction. Toys stay gone the entire day.

3) We talk every morning about the rules and the consequences for breaking rules. Kids "forget" very easily so we make this a routine discussion.

The first day we implemented this, my child lost all toys. By day 2, only 2 toys gone. By day 3 we saw major imrovement in child's behavior. The key is to be consistent. After several months of good behavior, DH and I have eased up on enforcement and child is taking advantage. My child still isn't perfect when it comes to listening and touching things, but he has gotten much better.

As for the speech problem, my other child just turned 2 and got a similar recommendation from the dr. I have heard of many children not talking until age 3-5, so don't be too worried if your child seems to hear well and respond. But have the evaluation done just in case to rule out any problems that can become much bigger if not caught early on.

Gia's picture

Yes, I have heard about late talkers, the thing is that my son says about 10 words that are understandable, PLUS like 5 words that are not real words, but he created, for example: "BEE-BEEP" for car. If I try to teach him how to say car, I'll say the "C" sound, and he will say it, then I will say AR... and then he will say it, but when I put it together, he refuses to say it. Is like he likes his own words better.

The early intervention program is free, they provide in-house or inpdaycare therapy if needed and is until 3 years of age. So we'll see...

My son does not show any other sign of autism/aspergers or anything like that. He has a lot of empathy, if i get hurt, he kisses "my booboo" and he can tell (and imitate) when i'm sad, happy, surprised etc... so he is good understanding emotions.

I have a question, when did you start this "rules", because I don't know if my son would understand them at this point.

JustAnotherSM's picture

My little one also has a very limited vocabulary and uses animal sounds instead of names (cow is moo, duck is quack). But after seeing the dr last week, it was almost as if he issued the kid a personal challenge. Mama is now mommy and more words are becoming clearer. As long as you are continuing to see progress in your son's ability, don't stress too much about the evaluation.

I started the rules around age 3 for my older kid. It does take some time for them to understand the rules. I posted them about a week before I gave any consequences. Any time kid was breaking rules during that week, I pointed to the rule and offered a warning. DH and I still give warnings for the 1st infraction of each day. The kids need many reminders to follow the rules, so I talk about it with the kids each morning. I tell them that they have choices - choose to follow the rules and have fun all day or choose to disobey and suffer the consequence. I have been surprised at how well this has worked.

Best of luck to you!

Rags's picture

As my Dad tells the story, I too was a late talker.

Dad just told this story to my ILs. My parents and the ILs were all in town for the Kids (SS-17) HS graduation.

Rags Progression to Talking:

Dad: I thought Rags was an idiot. He would not talk beyond "DaDa, MaMa, WaWa, and some superficial pointing and grunting. This went on for more than two years.

Then one evening we were sitting at the dinner table eating spaghetti and Rags looked out the window and very clearly said "The moons comin up". His Mom and I almost fell out of our chairs.

Then for days I told everyone who would listen that Rags was a genious.

The first thing he ever said was a very clear complete sentence. The problem is that he has not shut up since.

So, hang in there. Once your kid starts talking you may very well miss the days when he would not talk.

Good luck and best regards,

Smonster's picture

Biggrin That's the same thing my mom said about my brother. She said, well he didn't talk until he was 4 and he hasn't shut up since.

sweetthing's picture

I would call early intervention my self & keep on them till they make an appointment. If there are things that they can help you with so that he can be the best he can be you'll want to get that ball rolling as soon as you can.

All kids are differnt, I used to drive myself crazy listening to the mom's that would go on & on about how their kid was walking at 10 months, mine walked at 13 months. But my son was so busy climbing stairs, furniture, what have you that walking just wasn't important enough to make him want to do it. Once he started walking all the peace & quiet ended.

My son will be 3 in July and he tells knock knock jokes, can count to 20, knows his ABC's and almost has our phone # memorized. BUT he has two big brothers that he tries to be like, that & I have worked really hard on that phone # deal :)But I have to tell him over & over not to do the same things ( heck I have to tell his 10 y/o brother daily not to do the same things over & over)

Try not to worry so much & just keep on EI people. Motherhood is a much tougher job than our moms let on.

Gia's picture

I already called, had a phone "interview", but they are supposed to contact my child's doctor and get a referral from her directly, there is nothing I can do. She said she will call me in two weeks, and only one week has passed.

sweetthing's picture

Waiting is not one of my strong suits. You sound like a very good mom and he sounds like he is a loving little boy. My ex was a late talker, much like rags story once he started he never stopped. Smile I am sure that it will all work out.

Sia's picture

My brother didn't talk properly until he was 7. However, he had ear problems and couldn't hear correctly. He saw a speech therapist until he was in his teens. Back then, they didn't do much for checking for related ear problems, so I am sure you had already had all that checked.

MrsDaisaku's picture

I can sympathise fully with this. My daughter is 5, 6next month and she still talks like a 3year old. Her comprehension and understanding is hit and miss. She has speech therapy and not been diagnosed with anything other than slower speech and listening development.

If your boy understands simple instructions, such as look under the mat? Or put the key in the cup? Then he's probably fine, just likes the easy way. My daughter at 3 couldnt put a key in a cup if told to, but give her a puzzle and she was away. Its been difficult to not do the usual comparing with other mums kids and its hard to watch other parents enjoy full conversations with their children of the same age.

Just remember that each child have their own quirks, he could be just like 'rags' and start talking without you knowing he had it in him. Smile My little girl is bright, bubbly, annoying, loveable and completely frustrating like any other child. I just cant talk to her in the same way. One tip i was given was to just talk to them constantly, if your filling the kettle, tell him what you're doing, they take things in constantly, more than anyone really knows. Smile Good luck.

arjuna79's picture

Another resource to consider is an occupational therapist who works with kids with auditory/sensory processing disorders, and knows how to use therapeutic listening programs. Sometimes there are aberrations in the neurological wiring whereby a kid cannot look at you and hear you or talk at the same time. Early Intervention therapists are not always aware of these specialized aspects of assessment or intervention.