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FutureSM's picture

But I have read so many posts about disengaging. I have noticed that my BF has somewhat disengaged from my BD(4), and I can tell y'all that if this doesn't change, I am DONE with the relationship. I do not see how anyone can have a happy, healthy, functioning home when the parents of the house diengage from the children. It doesn't work for me. Am I wrong or just not getting it?

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BMJen's picture

he is disengaging? Look at the whole situation now and tell me if there is something to this, or is he just not wanting anything to do with your kid for no reason? Something has got to be up.

If he starting to have some of the feelings that alot of us get to?

MeanOleMe's picture

I think it depends on why the SP has disengaged. In my case, as my quote states "I will not take responsibility, where I do not have authority." If what I say doesn't matter because I am not a bio parent, and the BP will not stand up for me, then I am not going to take responsibility for the child. Now if I were just disengaging, because I don't want the responsibility, then yeah, maybe. Even then though, I am not the "mom" or the "dad". I think it depends on what you and your SO are willing to do and deal with, and what your expectations are of each other. Does any of that make sense? LOL

My DH and I have had many long talks about what I expect, and that if it didn't happen, disengaging is what would happen. He really CHOSE this. He had a choice. I didn't choose this, and this isn't what I want. I am in the opposite (or maybe same?) boat as you. If things don't change so I can reengage, I am DONE.

"I will not take responsibility, where I do not have authority." ~ MeanOleMe

belleboudeuse's picture

I think that disengaging is a last resort alternative, taken when a SP doesn't feel that he/she has any other choice. It's the solution that is chosen when you are not given any authority or input into a situation that is intolerable to you, where you do not feel that you are "allowed" to engage without punishment or reprisal, and yet you are blamed for things over which you have no control. In other words, 100% of the responsibility, 0% of the authority. So, "disengaging" is just the choice to match the level of responsibility you will ACCEPT with the amount of authority you are given: 0% authority, 0% responsibility.

I don't know your situation, FutureSM (I'm not always great at keeping peoples' different stories straight). If your BF has tried over and over to talk to you about roles and responsibilities, and the family dynamic, and you have not been open to any sort of negotiation, then I think it's probably good that he's disengaging, and maybe you need to look at what you are contributing to the conversation. If that hasn't happened, then maybe he's not disengaging -- maybe he's just... I don't know, getting lazy or something.

At any rate, I think a conversation with your BF is in order to find out WHY he is acting the way he is. Remember, it takes two to create the dynamic in any relationship. It also takes two to change it.

Best,

BB

- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)

FutureSM's picture

that if I mention the way he treats my daughter he responds with, "i'll just let you handle her discipline then." this is not my issue as i have told him time and time again. my issue with him is that discipling a child should come from a parent with LOVE in their hearts, not just a parent picking on the kid. i told him i also expect him to show her love and react positively instead of indifferently when she does something good. the negativity ALL the time gets old. i believe that every child deserves to grow up in a warm and loving home, blended family or not.

BMJen's picture

Maybe! Wink

I know there was a point when I got just sick of DH constantly "picking" on my son. I mean it was like every five minutes he was coming out with something new. You know what kept running through my head? "If you'd yell at your damn kids like you do mine then maybe they'd act better to". Seriously, that's what I would think.

Instead of being happy that I have a DH that cares enough about my son to help me with him, in every area of his life, I got defensive. I think as a mother that's a built in trait. We do that. It's just up to us to identify it and try to go easy on it.

They do that to. That's why this site exsist!

But seriously, as young as she is, what kind of thing could she possibly be doing so much that it just drives him up the wall?

belleboudeuse's picture

Could you sit down with your BF and ask him how HE feels about what is expected of him from you? And then, just listen to what he has to say. Just listen. Do the "active listening" exercise. (Google it if you don't know what that is.) I could be wrong, but it sounds to me like your BF feels like he is expected to LOVE disciplining her and do it with love in his heart and think she's amazing all the time, like you do. I don't think that's very reasonable to expect of a stepparent. You two have to come to an understanding regarding what he thinks of as his role and how to treat her, and what you think his role is.

BB

- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)

FutureSM's picture

obviously, if i am having to discuss with him how he interacts with her. i will not stand for his disengagement, or his flat out refusal to engage at all. when i discuss these things with him, he assumes i am talking about how he disciplines her. i appreciate his help with discipline, however, when everything that comes out of his mouth is negative, it's time for me to say something.

belleboudeuse's picture

when they feel they have no control. Your BF feels like he's always supposed to be crazy about her and love the hell out of her even when he's punishing her. No surprise that his response would be to stop seeing what there is to be crazy about -- because he doesn't feel like he gets the "choice" to feel a certain way. I might feel the same way if I felt that there was only one possible response -- love -- to everything she did. I actually did feel this way about my OSD at first, because every time she would sneeze or burp, her bioparents acted like we should set up a shrine to how amazing she was. I got pretty sick of it pretty quickly, and it became really hard for me to see ANYTHING good about her -- because all I ended up seeing was how her parents slobbered all over her like a little princess. It freaked me out.

Now, with time, the atmosphere has changed, and I think the crazy worship of SD has calmed down (in our house, anyway). And now, interestingly, I can see all the ways in which she's a great kid -- because I'm not also being expected to worship her every bowel movement or used kleenex that she leaves on the floor.

BB

- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)

FutureSM's picture

I am pretty rational person, I do not worship my child, nor would I ever expect anyone else to. I'm sorry if I came across that way. What I meant is that, when my daughter does something good at home, her chores or draws FH a picture or wants to show him some new dance, he does not act interested at all. He shows her NO positive reinforcement for the good things. The ONLY thing that interests him is disciplining her. That's not okay with me.

belleboudeuse's picture

I didn't mean to imply that you worship your child. I was giving that as an example from my life, of a time when I started to feel like maybe I needed to disengage.

Did he used to be interested in the good thing she does at home? If so, do you see a correlation between when he started seeming less interested, and when he started seeming more interested in disciplining her?

BB

- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)

FutureSM's picture

in her life. She needs and deserves that. But I feel like she runs around every day trying to make him love her more or something. she always says how she wants to be big like his daughter, and i think its partly because she sees how much FH loves his bio daughter and my daughter wants to be loved like that by him. it breaks my heart.

BMJen's picture

You need to have a talk with him. A long, long talk. But do it when you KNOW the phone won't ring! Wink

Jon-Boy's picture

So whats he teaching her?
Does he not know his roll?
This will definitely teach her to look for love anywhere she can.
Bad relationships, probably will be pregnant at an early age. (not trying to scare you)

The father bond is important.
When the father is bonded with the girl child, she knows real love. she knows what is "good". She will make better choices by understanding other people's bad behavior.
When the father acts disengaged she is confused on what is good for her. So she will eventually go looking for any attention she can get.

If the majority of marriages end in divorce?
How many fatherless children are out there without a roll model to learn from.
How many new relationships that bring these men into the family setting are disengaging?
This is not simple addition.
This is multiplication.
Bad dad + another bad dad = millions of fucked up kids.

So these millions of fucked up kids are the majority of our society.
You have a few good eggs out there trying to live correctly with no one else even giving a shit.
How many of the good eggs will give up and go with the flow?

Good character never feels great.
It goes silent into the past. Only you know you stood for something right.
But it does plant a seed into the mind of those that may have seen the good character. They may have laughed at you then, thinking what choices you made, mean nothing, but in time they will one day call on that example you once did, and then do the right thing.
The right thing always works.
So fight the good fight.

GiGi222's picture

because we natrually get defensive when someone "attacks" our child. Even if the child is wrong. I know sometimes it is hard to see BS get disciplined by FH. BUT, he does it when necessary and TBH, BS needs that strong discipline as he can get out of line sometimes. Your BD and SD are different, so they require different discipline styles.
If he is talking crap about how bad of a kid she is and constantly saying negative things, I would feel angry too. Have you ever asked him what stops him from bonding with your daughter? Unfortunately its not something that is forced, and can either happen over time or maybe not at all.
And noone hates you for making this decision. You are just a mom who is looking to protect her child, and thats we all do. Have you tried to see it from your BFs perspective? Perhaps he feels or sees something that you may have missed?

FutureSM's picture

I honestly think he is a little jealous that my daughter is with us most of the time, and he only gets to see his daughter every other weekend. that's what i think this boils down to. everything is all about her when she is over, he worships her like she is a princess, which is actually OK with me, but my daughter sees all of this. i don't feel like it's very fair to her.

MeanOleMe's picture

I completely agree with you stepaside! Men are use to be dad's not parents. BIG difference. A dad is someone who teachs baseball, rough houses, says "good game". Parenting is left to the mom.

This, again is MY opinion, and in my experiences. Which may be why I have such a hard time with disengaging.

"I will not take responsibility, where I do not have authority." ~ MeanOleMe

Jon-Boy's picture

I know what you are saying.
There is a "in-balance" thing going on. You recognize it, and it is very hard to deal with.
As much as he is being critical with your daughter you could be just as critical with him with what he is not doing right. But you are not, your trying to let him see things the way you do. Trying to help him understand what can be better.
And he resorts to disengaging.
Frustrating as hell. Your attempts for growth and equality within the home is met with the opposite of what you are trying to achieve.

I bet you have experienced some things in your life that taught you these important traits you are expressing.
I believe you are on the right track. This disengaging thing I have an issue with myself.
I can only do it in small doses. And when I do it? I am forcing myself to do it. It does not come easy for me. And it bothers me to know end when people do this with no care in the world.
I see life's problems as challenges, as opportunities to learn and build strong relationships with. To ignore, or disengage when it's a clear opportunity for growth is just a childish reaction to me.
This does not build character, or bonds, or trust, or anything but hardships, and confusion.

Disengaging with an adult is another topic.
Adults are master manipulators, disengaging to keep your sanity from someone controlling you is a flat out necessity. And this can be held true with children that are down right nasty. But even then disengagement should only be temporary for children. The common theme is always engagement.

FutureSM's picture

Sometimes I feel that people disengage just for the fact that they are not interested. I feel like my BF is just being selfish, and there is no room for selfishness in my house. It is my job to protect my daughter and help her nourish and grow to be a happy healthy woman, and my BF disengaging because he is not interested and she is just an annoyance to him is never going to be okay. No kid deserves that.

belleboudeuse's picture

Yes, that's the other possibility I referred to above. If he USED to be different with her, and you see that his disinterest in the good things she does has happened at about the same pace as the arguments you two started to have about the way/amount he disciplines her, then that may be disengagement.

If it just seems like he'd rather not deal with her, then that may be just laziness/lack of interest in being a figure in her life.

You know, one more thing that might help you figure out which it is, is to ask yourself this question: when he disciplines her, do you get the feeling that it's because he really wants her to be a better person, to learn from the things she does wrong, etc? Or do you think he disciplines out of annoyance -- in other words, kind of a "go away kid, you bother me" kind of attitude?

BB

- You are not second best, you are not second class. Do not ever let anyone make you feel that way. (2Bloved)

FutureSM's picture

what I don't understand is why would he disengage now? If anything, she listens and behaves WAY better than when FH I first met, but that's also 2 years later, of course she listens better now than when she had just turned 3...the only thing I can think is that he's just gotten lazy. It's like he just wants her to behave and stay out of the way. The worst part of this is that he does a complete 180 when his daughter is around. It's terrible.

GiGi222's picture

and what she mentioned. Its easy for him to treat his daughter like a princess because he doesn't see her all the time. But he sees your daughter 24/7. There could be resentment but its uncalled for. Its not your fault his arrangement is this way and he knew you had a kid that you had custody of from the beginning. No surprises here.
Maybe he isn't comfortable for some reason. FH took a while to get used to my son. He was also afraid to be more than a disciplinarian because my son was standoffish. But my son was standoffish because he thought being close with FH would mean disobeying his dad who he only saw once every few months. Its a weird cycle, that just stopped on its own. Maybe he feels like he can do nothing right. His relationship with you can affect the relationship with your daughter.
I hate to hear that she is trying to get close to him and he isn't responsive. I was the same way with my Stepdad growing up. By the time I reached a teen I acted like I didn't care anymore. But the rejection does sting.
Talk to him, in a nonconfrontational manner.

Wicked.Step.Monster's picture

because I do "parent" my SDs. I'm the 'cool' SM yes, but I can be super cool and still parent them, I'm fortunate it works at my house. I can get after them about stuff, even send them to their room if necessary (such strict punishment right? haha). However, I am EXTREMELY defensive about DH getting onto perfectson17. Basically I just don't allow DH to get after him about anything other than yelling at him to feed the dog or something. It's a complete and total double standard I know, BUT, I will not ever compromise on this issue and DH is fine with it now. They were butting heads so much and so often that I finally told DH to stay out of everything and that he was MY son and I would deal with him... on everything. It works for us.

Selkie's picture

This discussion about disengaging has got me thinking. Some very good points have been expressed already about why a step-parent might disengage, especially regarding the lack of authority and feelings of helplessness. I do think there is a gender double standard here; it's easier for men to disengage because most men were not taught how to parent, and because most women end up with the bulk of the parenting work.

FSM, please read some of my blog entries because I'm afraid our situation is an example of what could be happening in your home, except a few years later and with very serious consequences. I have a DD14 and my FH has SD14, SD16 and SS18. He had a serious case of angel syndrome when it came to his own children but could only see negatives in my daughter. He was unable to bond with her because of his guilt over not being able to parent his children, and because of his fear of how a healthy relationship with my daughter would interfere with his relationships with his daughters (his daughters despise my daughter for living with their father). I saw this and knew it. I tried to bring it to his attention. But he just couldn't see it or didn't know how to change it.

This was all compounded by the fact that my daughter has several developmental and psychological issues that he perceived as a result of poor parenting. So all he could focus on were her behaviours when they interfered with his life. Your story touched me, especially when you said it's as if he just wants her to behave and stay out of his way. This is how I think my FH felt, too. I think many men, fathers and step-father alike, feel this way because they were raised to leave the parenting to the woman of the house (while having the last word on decision-making and discipline, of course).

This will not get better without intervention. And if it doesn't get better, it will SURELY get worse as your little girl grows. My daughter is old enough to know exactly what's going on in FH's head and it broke her heart. FH has a long, long way to go towards mending the damage his disinterest and irritation has caused.

I truly hope you and your DH will be able to really communicate about this and get it resolved before you continue down the road we've taken.