Because "Ex's" that's why!!!

SO came back from counseling and almost lost his mind because BM lied the entire session.

Well yeah because she is a narc and that's what they do. SO was freaking out as if the counselor was fooled by BMs nonsense.

I had to explain to him that most people can see right through her once they get to know her that's why she has no friends. Plus this is a trained professional who can pick up on BMs inconsistent statements, and odd behavior.

Just from what he told me the first session she is clinging to YSD holding her hand the entire time while YSD is crying the entire session. Yeah not a normal interaction between a loving mother and her 13 year old child.

She can't answer direct questions and just gets defensive or places blame on others when asked why she hasn't gotten her own place after 2 months and if she is going to start taking YSD again for visits. She adamantly denies the date she dropped YSD off even though thier is proof.

Then my all time favorite they are there supposedly for YSD and she changes the topic to me and how I don't like her. When asked why by the therapist her only response was " Because ex's that's why"

I'm not sure what that is supposed to mean. But I think I'm going to use that from now on. That's the most random response to a question ever!!!

She meets is YSD alone next week. That should be fun. YSD is a terrible liar and without BM there coaching her she will totally go off script and unintentionally throw BM under the bus.

I remember once YSD telling me I talk about BM. I asked her when that ever happened. YSDs response BM told me you talk about her. I asked where BM got that information as we don't know anyone in common. YSD just stood there confused with no answer.

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I know you know this

I know you know this therapist and have faith in her, but the therapists DH saw with SS and BM did not see through her. I learned just how crappy some of my colleagues in private practice are.

DH needs to counteract every

DH needs to counteract every lie with "that's not how I see/remember/what's written down in my journal/etc.... every time she lies. Calmly as he can. He knows she lies and until he can be sure the therapist will catch on, he needs to be on record of not agreeing with her lies. Silence is taken as agreement for the most part.

I hope your SO called her out

I hope your SO called her out on her lies. I wouldn't count on the counselor seeing through the lies, especially if SO and YSD are both in the room and leave the lies unchallenged.

He did he pulled up the text

He did he pulled up the text from the night she dropped SDs off. He also pointed out how she has received$12,000 in stimulus check plus tax returns and still no apartment.

Where is this magical playbook?!

Where is this playbook that these BMs follow?? Your entire post, I could have written that almost word for word because this is exactly what BM did in the CO'd therapy with DH.

They only ended up doing 3 sessions and the therapist ended it because they were not productive. Any chance of that happening for your DH? My DH (and I guess BM as well) set clear objectives with the counselor before joint therapy started, when those could not be achieved therapy was ended.

My DH pointed out each lie (directed to the therapist), "that is a misstatement of what occurred", "that is not the information that was included in that document/email", etc. Basically he never directly called her a liar, but he said at the third session the therapist started asking, "BM is that true?" And she would just hang her head down like a child and not answer or lie again, DH would call it out again...you see where this is going, gaslighting 101.

Is there a ST equivalent out there for malicious mothers where they all give each other advice on how to PA their kids and how to try to emotionally dupe therapists and others??

SO said when he called her

SO said when he called her out she would refuse to answer and that's when she made the session about me.

I think after 2 sessions the therapist has seen enough and now she just wants to meet with YSD alone.

YSD has been in therapy before. She is pretty honest because she knows whatever she says stays in that room. The therapist will get a whole different YSD when BM isn't around.

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