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Sad Girl's picture

So, I have a question for all of you.

My (now ex) DH wanted his kids to come over whenever they wanted, no matter what the visitation schedule said.

For example, if they wanted to spend an extra week on a spring break with us, he would be fine with that.

It was a deal breaker for me.

What do you think? Was I wrong for not wanting skids around more? 

 

 

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Survivingstephell's picture

No.  That would be IMO a lack of respect for the other adult in the house.  I skimmed some of your older blogs and having a small child that needs a schedule, you can't have skids dropping in any old time disrupting the routine.   If you have any doubts about that , forget them.  

Sad Girl's picture

Thank you.

I left him a year ago. Now he is talking about getting back together, but he expects me to accept them coming anytime they want.

So, I told him I do not want to live that way. And he wants us to be together but on his terms.

I am very sad for that, but that is not the life I want.

Survivingstephell's picture

His terms?   Awe he'll no.  You are a mother with a little child.   You are the only who can put that child first.  He does not get to dictate. Are you getting child support?   He's probably thinking he will have more cash for the skids if you two get back together.   No.  You make him pay for that child so she never goes without.  Think really hard on how much you want his negative energy around his youngest.  I wouldn't bend over backwards for him.  Stick to CO and when he bails totally on her, you take him back for full custody.    That's what I would tell my daughter in your situation.  

Sad Girl's picture

You are right, I don't want my baby to live in toxic environment with parents fighting over other children.

I still love him but am very aware that what he is not offering a good life for us.

Snuber's picture

You feel how you feel.

But l ask another question.

Let’s say you marry a man and this man will be your child’s stepfather. Your child’s stepfather tells you that you can’t have your child on extra time. Would you accept that? Would you put up with a man who won’t let you spend extra time with your kid?

It’s not easy.

And it depends on the reason you didn’t want the skids around more. Were they disrespectful and rude? Did he expect you to do eveything for them? Or did you have another reason? It depends on the situation.

Sad Girl's picture

The reason is that I want to be included into making a decision about their coming to our place.

He acts as it is something just between him and his kids like I don't (didn't) live there.

Merrigan's picture

You're not wrong. Parents need to ensure their kids are polite and enjoyable to be around. Your ex SO failed you. 

Sad Girl's picture

When my father was dying, SO also took them to our place. They were loud and making mess around the house. I talked  to my sister to see if dad is still alive and couldn't hear her because of their noise.

When I told him he should left them at their moms that weekend, he started a usual rant about me hating them.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

I didn't read your story and am making a very basic response. 

The majority of our partners did not sign up to be part-time parents and plenty of them will jump at every opportunity to see their kids.

My DH was a full-time dad used to seeing his kids every day so he was always ways eager to get "extra" time. 

It took me a little while to realize that *I* didn't have to be there every time they came over and stopped changing plans.

One thing some folks fail to realize is that their NCP partner CAN become the CP and have their children 100% of the time. The CP could pass away or become physically/mentally incapacitated. That is always a possibility. That doesn't mean your partner should allow his/her kids to treat you horribly. 

Sad Girl's picture

I didn't want to be there when thay are around but my baby was small and I couldn't take her out every time they came over.

As of him becoming CP, I told him early on that I wouldn't stay with him if that happened.

lieutenant_dad's picture

I mean this kindly but bluntly: if that is your mentality, then you're not cut out to be a stepparent.

I can 100% understand from a SP perspective why someone wouldn't want a chaotic schedule with people, especially kids, coming in and out of the house whenever. However, kids need their parent; the parent doesn't need a spouse. Our spouses SHOULD discuss schedules with us. They SHOULD try to minimize unrest and chaos. They SHOULD be parenting their children. If they can't do those things, then they can't be upset when we say NO to kids with chaotic schedules.

BUT, if we are to expect that our partners work with us to minimize the disruption of extra people.in the home, then we have to be willing to compromise, too. If we're going to enter into a relationship where we're NEVER going to be okay with kids coming over more or that we'll 100% end the relationship if the kids have to live with our partner full time, then we just need to not be in the relationship. Same goes for a parent who can't respect their partner enough to talk to them about a schedule or parent their kids.

Like with more things, this is a compatibility issue. It's not wrong to not want to end up being a full-time stepparent. But the solution to that is to not date a parent.

The_Upgrade's picture

You're not wrong about the mentality but I think partly why OP has the mentality is because of the resentment build up from all the previous boundary stomping incidents. Maybe if the ex had done his best to meet the needs of his kids while minimalising how it would impact his household with OP, she would've felt they were on the same team. But that's just speculation and no way of finding out because that ship sailed a long time ago. 

Sad Girl's picture

Exactly. It is a built up resentment. It didn't start that way. I was supportive about him spending time with his kids. Then over time he started crossing boundaries more and more and it led to where we are right now.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

I don't think you're wrong, OP. One of the most frequent complaints we see from SMs is lack of communication/structure surrounding skid visitation. Most women are planners and like to know about things ahead of time. The more we know, the more we feel included and in control of our lives.

I don't blame your ex for wanting to see his older kids as much as possible. Where he went wrong was failing to consider your needs, failing to communicate, and failing to prioritize the marriage. He sounds like a man who can't balance his parenting AND his adult relationship, and probably should focus on just being a great dad. Trouble is, these men like having a woman around and don't like having to be a single parent. Pretty selfish, if you ask me. He's come sniffing around, hoping to get you to shut up and get back to being his wife appliance/bang maid. No wonder he's single again.

 

Tigerlily7's picture

I can see both sides of the spectrum here. I don't know your background/story but from other commenters here it seems you have younger children in the mix. It can get chaotic when unexpected visits and changes in routine take place I know about that all to well.. but then again when we Marry a partner with children from previous relationships or vice versa, the kids kind of come with territory IMO. I know if something was to happen to me and my DH I would want my kids to be able to go see there dad anytime they wanted as I hope hed allow/want the same for me with our children. 

You do in your heart what you feel is best, you will know which route to go. 

Hang in there. 

Sad Girl's picture

Thank you all.

If he wants to live only by his  OWN rules then he should live on his OWN.

Rags's picture

A visitation schedule exists for a reason.. while that reason is to facilitate a relationship between parent and child it also has an Important influence on allowing a blended couple to have focus time for themselves and their marriage.

Sad Girl's picture

I tried to explain that to him but it always ends ny him saying I hate his kids 

But when he says we should leabe DD at grandmoms and be by ourselves, that's ok to him.

And that is okay, but it should be okay to leave skids sometimes too.

Winterglow's picture

I went back and read over your past posts, OP. The problem isn't that you don't want his kids around. It seems you have already done your best given the circumstances (a very small home and three rowdy kids with no rules nor boundaries who treat it like a playground). You have a husband problem but you already know that. He has allowed his kids to ride roughshod over you and your home, given them all the rights, has treated you like unpaid staff, ignores you and your (plural) daughter when they are there, won't even help with her, and expects you to be thrilled when his kids come and cause chaos in your home. 

You left because you couldn't stand seeing your daughter being treated like a nobody and because your house is also your home and you expect to be consulted about things that affect your life. He clearly doesn't understand or chooses not to understand if he thinks you'll go back to him under exactly the same circumstances as those you left for. He somehow thinks he's doing you a favour, right? The man's a loon. I'm very glad to hear that you are not even entertaining the idea of going back. You have embraced your life as a single mother and your daughter will thank you for it Smile

Sad Girl's picture

Thank you.

Yes, he thinks I should accept it the way he wants. When I told him no, he started his usual rant about me hating skids etc.

And that is true, I can't stand them now. But that was not always the case. His behaviour towards me and our daughter caused me to feel that way.

So yes, I am not going back. I am sorry because I still have feelings for him, but I have to take care of me and my girl.

dragonfly878's picture

Is it that you still have feelings for him? Or is he familiar and there's something comfortable (and predictable) about that... I got divorced earlier in life (we never had kids together) and I can tell you the thing that kept me with him was how it felt familiar... familiar isn't always good... happy that you're putting you and your daughter first. My divorce was the single greatest gift I ever gave to myself. You're teaching your daughter never to settle. If it were part of the schedule where he had them 5 nights a week, wonderful. If it were part of the schedule where he had them e/o weekend, wonderful. Just stick with the schedule for everyone's sanity. If you've established that boundary and he doesn't respect it- then he's not respexting you.
 

And because I'm an asshole I would tell him that not only can you not stand his feral kids- you are disgusted and completely turned off with his lack of parenting and will be dammed to see your DD end up that way....

Sad Girl's picture

Guess I'm an asshole too Smile just the other day I told him he is a crappy parent and our daughter is lucky to have me to take care of her

Kaylee's picture

I went back and read all your posts. 

You absolutely were NOT wrong to leave him. Please don't ever think about going back.

This man treated you and your daughter you had together as second class citizens who became invisible whenever his kids were around.

He was not willing to listen to you, go to therapy, discuss ANYTHING at all with you. When I read in one of your past blogs about him just letting the baby scream and cry, and not picking her up, it made me fume!

Stay true to yourself and give yourself and your daughter the best life possible. He is in the past.... leave him there.

Sad Girl's picture

Thank you.

I am mad at myself for thinking he figured things out. But the other day we had a conversation and I realised that he hasn't move an inch from where he was a year ago.

A good thing is he told me how he wants us to live so I could say no to that and stay where I am now.

So yes, he will stay in the past. 

Carrie_321's picture

My SO does this, too. He wants SS13 with him whenever possible, so as long as they have the ok from BM, he comes and stays with us. I don't like it, but I tolerate it and never object because I see how sad SO is on the days he has to bring SS13 back to his mom's house.

I am planning on blogging a bit more about it because we pay child support and have him about 45% of the time, while, as far as the court is concerned, we only have him 2 nights each week.

Sad Girl's picture

Your SO is sad when SS is at his moms. But how do you feel when he comes to your home more than he supposed to?

You say you tolerate it, but for how long? Are you willing for that kind of arrangement to last?

Carrie_321's picture

I knew how SO felt before we got together, so I kind of have to accept it.

I don't like it, but I knew what I was signing up for. I didn't know that we would just leave the child support situation alone and not try to get the amount decreased since we have him close to half time. That is frustrating, but I will still let it be as it is. SS13 will be 14 in August and then it's just 4 more years before he's 18 and, at the very least, a few hundred bucks cheaper each month.

dragonfly878's picture

People need schedules. Adults, Teens, kids, babies... people need predictable schedules in order to thrive otherwise it's pure chaos. Who are you cooking for? Who are you shopping for? What kinds of activities and plan changes are happening because he wants his kids around that much more? What's the vibe in the house? That last one about the vibe- I can tell you I LIVE for the days SS14 is with his mom. I can count down the days to peace and quiet. If my DH didn't follow a predictable schedule for both myself and DD3's sake that would absolutely be a dealbreaker for me. ESPECIALLY after it was communicated that that boundary was important. Minus emergencies- that would not fly.

ESMOD's picture

While I don't think you are wrong for wanting to have some reasonable certainty in your household's schedule.. I think it's also important to understand that the bio parents may at any point become "sole parent".. and you could have the kids full time.

If your reason was that it was all last minute and made it impossible to plan.. I can agree... with reasonable flexibility for emergencies (rare).. I would be ok if my DH had planned in advance for the kids to be there more.. like taking an extra week over the summer.. or extra days as long as it wasn't last minute and interferring with existing household planned comittments.

If you just didn't want them "any more" than his schedule period.. I think that's probably wrong tbh... Not that I blame you for not always loving having his kids there.... because I get it.. it can be a lot more to deal with.. but as the father.. HE should be stepping up a lot more for his kids and not pushing the work onto you.

It may just be that this isn't a relationship for you if you resent any extra time he wants with his kids though.