SD made DW feel terrible this weekend.
It was our week with SD8 this week, and it wasn't without its moments - but it was relatively quiet during the week. Then the weekend rolled around and SD8 was terrible and extremely mouthy - to the point DW lost it.
First, some background. We have SD8 EOW. The transitions take place on Sunday at 5pm every week - since February. We (DW) always takes SD8 back to her father's house at that time, or else he picks her up. Last weekend BioDad decided to schedule one of his "appointments" during Sunday afternoon in some other city, so he called DW and asked if he could bring SD8 early. DW was fine with it, I was fine with it, so she says yes. In the background SD8 is yelling that she doesn't want to come to our house because "they always go grocery shopping!" "Can't they just pick me up after they are done at the store?" (That would mean leaving SD8 alone at her Dad's house, which isn't going to happen). Anyway, BioDad drops off SD at our house at 8am, and she is crying when she gets in the door. I only caught snippets of the conversation but basically SD was blaming my DW for having to come to our house early. "It's not fair" was said a lot. However, DW stood her ground and told Sd8 in no uncertain terms that this was BioDad's doing, we had nothing to do with it. This was in front of BioDad, AND HE EVEN CONFIRMED IT TO SD8! He said to SD8 "I've told you that several times. I am bringing you here because I have to work. Your mom did not tell me to bring you over early."
I don't know what was going on in SD8's head because she just refused to believe that it was BioDad's choices that brought her here. She was miserable the rest of the day and kept making comments to us about how unfair it was that we made her come over to our house early. Obviously this really hurt DW's feelings because she feels like SD8 doesn't want to be here. (Which, honestly, is probably true because here she has chores, can't play video games or watch TV all day, and has a little brother who requires attention to be taken away from her).
Fast forward to this weekend, after a week of relative peace. Saturday she was in a piss poor mood because she had to go grocery shopping with us. It really isn't the end of the world, an hour out of her time... plus she plays games on DW's phone the entire time, so it is not like she's completely bored. She gets pissy because she is too big to sit in a cart, and BS3 gets to. (SD8 is large for her age... size of an average 12 year old... she's tall, that's all we hear from people anymore.) After just general bad behavior during the day, at night DW makes dinner - it was a pretty good dish with crispy fish and a cheesy polenta. Everyone liked it, even BS3, but not SD8. She wouldn't touch any of her dinner. This is something her mother had made several times before and she's never had an issue with. We don't make them clean their plates at our house, but they have to eat at least a little bit of something. SD8 takes a bite of her polenta, looks at her mom and says: "This makes me want to throw up. Dinner is so bad it is going to make me puke."
DW looks like someone just slapped her in the face, and sits there stunned. My cue to step in. I told SD8 what she said just then was incredibly rude, and that I never want to hear her say that about her mother's, my, or anyone else's cooking. That she should be happy that she has food to eat, let alone complain about. I can see tears in DW's eyes, and I ask SD8 if she understands. "Well, I don't like it." I explain as calmly as possible, that she needs to put herself in her mother's shoes. "How would you like it if you made a drawing for your mom, and she told you it was ugly and looking at it made her want to puke?" THEN she got it. She tried to send herself to her room, but DW told her to stay and reiterated that she had used unacceptable language and needed to eat SOME dinner. SD8 was clinging to DW the rest of the night, talking to her every 10 seconds. The kid is not an idiot, she just doesn't think about the words coming out of her mouth. I guess like most kids.
Then Sunday comes. BS3 was up early (6am!) and DW got up with him (we take turns on the weekends getting up early, I had Saturday). SD8 apparently came out a few minutes after DW got BS3 out to the living room and the first thing she said to DW was "When am I going to BioDad's house?" No good morning, nothing. I didn't hear it but DW says it was dripping with attitude when said as well. DW tells her normal time - 5pm. SD8 starts whining, complaining, and even crying hysterically. At this point I can hear and get up... SD storms past me into her room. I ask DW what that was all about and she tells me that SD8 is pissed because she wants to go to BioDad's house early because he brought her to our house early last week. DW refused, explaining again that it is not our fault her father schedules appointments during his time with her. SD8 still does not believe DW that it was BioDad, and not us, who made this arrangement last week. He can clearly do no wrong in her eyes, because he is SuperFun McNoRules! Anyway, I start making coffee and SD comes storming out again: "Well, BioDad said I could go early because he brought me here early! You aren't fair! It's not fair!" Storms away again. DW texts BioDad and he confirms that he told SD8 she would be coming over to his house early without even asking DW if this was ok! Typical BioDad - so now this makes DW the bad guy again. Again SD comes storming out crying hysterically, going on and on. DW explains to SD that this is all her father's fault - just because he is skipping his time with her that does not mean he gets to take our time with her. SD wasn't having it. DW was at the end of her rope and said "Fine! Go to your Dad's house! Do you want to stay over there all the time? Because all we ever hear from you anymore is how much you want to go there!" DW is crying now. Eesh... glad I stayed out of it.
So, DW probably shouldn't have said that to SD. But I get it, how fed up she is with having to play the bad guy. She's not perfect, but she does a hell of a lot more disciplining of SD8 than BioDad does. We ended up taking SD8 to BioDad's house at 9am (before BS3's swimming lesson), so SD8 got her way. That is my biggest annoyance - SD8 just again got her way by throwing a temper tantrum. I didn't say anything to DW about it though, as I knew it wasn't the time. Instead I took us out for a surprise brunch after the swimming lesson, and we played with BS3 all day. DW's mood markedly improved after that.
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Agreed. Good Job Rhino!.
Agreed. Good Job Rhino!.
Exactly. I had to step in to
Exactly. I had to step in to put the kibosh on that not only for the sake of my spouse, but also BS3 who is sitting at the table and watching this all unfold. He also needs to know it is not appropriate to say these things.
Agreed!
Agreed!
Agreed. I just wish the skid
Agreed. I just wish the skid wouldn't conveniently "forget" those standards after a week at BioDad's house.
We had all around house rules
We had all around house rules in our home when I was growing up.
However, there were other rules that were more age appropriate. Especially since my sister was 6 years older, my brother five years older, me, then twins two years younger. The rules for me didn't necessarily apply to my older siblings. Nor did they apply to my younger sisters.
That being said.....house rules like pick up after yourself, do your chores, TABLE MANNERS, be polite to guests and adults, be respectful to our parents, be uber-respectful to our grandparents.......those where the same for all five of us.
The part where she said she
The part where she said she doesn't like going to your house because you go grocery shopping made me laugh. My SD6 hates grocery shopping and we only get her on weekends, which is the only free time we have to do it.
The more I read your stuff, the more I see how similar your situation is to mine. My SD's BM has no rules and my SD makes it clear that she doesn't like coming to our house. When she doesn't like supper she says "Mommy always makes me something new if I don't like it". If she gets a time out for something she says "Mommy doesn't make me stand in a corner". She also counts down the number of "sleeps" she has to spend with us.
Our house is so awful because we have rules, bedtimes, limits on electronics use, and a BD1 whose birth completely turned my SD's world upside down, apparently.
Yeah. I'll admit, I hated
Yeah. I'll admit, I hated going grocery shopping (or any shopping) with my parents when I was a kid. And I'm sure I whined and complained. But we've explained to her that we work jobs and these are the things that families have to do. She doesn't care. BS3 on the other hand, likes to go. Go figure.
Yeah, we have to say this to SD8 a lot: "Is this your BioDad's house?" Because she's always telling us what he does or doesn't do when she is in trouble.
DW thinks that at some point in the future - maybe 20 years down the road - she'll look back and appreciate that we taught her rules, gave her healthy food, etc. I'm a pessimist and I think she'll just gravitate away from us because she had more FUN with her dad. (Or maybe that makes me an optimist?)
I don't think I liked
I don't think I liked shopping with my parents either, but I did as I was told when I was a kid. I knew if I whined too much there would be consequences. I knew my place - my parents made the decisions, I did not.
My parents were pretty strict, and at the time I might have said they were "mean". But I really appreciate what they did for me because I turned out to be fairly independent and successful. My SD's BM is the same age as me and still waits tables and relies on men to provide for her. She's raising her daughter to be just like her. I keep trying to point out these differences to my husband so he can see why I insist on having standards in our house.
My mother had some strict
My mother had some strict rules at the dinner table. One was never, ever insult anyone's cooking. E.V.E.R. That was grounds for decapitation in my parents house.
The worst we could say if it was noticed we weren't eating a certain dish was "Thank you, but I don't care for that." We couldn't say it's gross, it's icky, it's nasty or what sewer rat died to give us this meal.
No, Dad had told her that
No, Dad had told her that last weekend prior to dropping SD8 off... she just remembered it right then. There is no way in h-e-double-hockey-sticks that we are getting SD a cell phone.
Whenever skid told H it
Whenever skid told H it wasn't fair, his stock answer was always "Life is a lot of four letter words, fair isn't one of them."
Honestly, your wife can not
Honestly, your wife can not win this situation. You have years of fighting coming your way. For us it started at 12 and the week she turned 14 she sued us to live with BM. We should have fought harder, but we couldn't win and the house that is the more fun usually wins.
Sad as hell, but the truth. Unfortunately for us, she is now 18 and off at college and we are just waiting for her to fail miserable and end up at the house that has rules. In the meantime, I can be glad that SD18 and her drama are not in my life.
Your wife needs to pick her battles, but know the day is coming that she will want to stop coming. Even though she is the better parent, the child will not see it.
I know she can't. I also do
I know she can't.
I also do not know how to mention this to DW that this is the likely outcome (or even if I should). DW wants to believe that SD will have an epiphany, but I do not see that ever happening with SD.
I wish I could just say to her "You are the better parent, but SD will never appreciate that - and is GOING to leave" and have her be ok with it. But I fear that this is something that she is just going to have to find out herself.
Your SD is in college - do you pay for that even though she sued to leave your house? DW and I have a college savings account for her (and a general account), and frankly if SD leaves the house I feel like we should invest that money towards BS3.
Also, one thing that really
Also, one thing that really bugs me about this situation is how manipulative SD is being now that she knows she can get what she wants by having these meltdowns.
About two months ago, SD was complaining that she wanted to come live with us and just go to BioDad's EOWE because "he never lets me go outside. he always tells me to play a video game or watch tv."
So, what changed in that short amount of time? Nothing. She's just manipulative enough to pull on people's heart strings to get them to do her bidding.
Yeah, and I can see that
Yeah, and I can see that happening. BioDad just got engaged to a woman with a teenage girl, and they all live together now in a 2 bedroom apartment with his mom. So, SD8 is not the princess in his life that she once was - maybe she feels insecure and that is why she wants to be over there. Who knows.