After a discussion with my DH he has been trying to discipline SS8 more when he misbehaves. Do I think it will last long? No but for about a week he has been. Now the issue is SS keeps telling BS to say shit. He even told him to say it in church. If he gets mad he will tell him to say it. He was mad DH had him put some of his laundry in a drawer as I was folding and it turned into him telling BS2 to say shit as I walked back into the room... He denied it and DH said he didn't believe him... No punishment really does anything for him. He has been spanked and that did nothing, he missed an entire season of sport he loves to play, time out, sent to his room, the tv in their room messed up and I told him I would only have it fixed when he learned to behave that's been over a year ago and it's still not fixed... What works?!