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Strange questions from SD

Caitlin's picture

We had SD over the weekend and we usually try to give them some "D&D time" (Daddy & Daughter time) alone together. Well, when they were having some of their quality D&D time together yesterday, SD just came out of the blue to ask some really bizarre questions that could have only come from BM herself. Here's how my fiance recounted the conversation to me. I'm probably leaving some things out, but this is the gist of it.

SD: "How do you feel about relationships?"
BF: "Hmm, what do you mean by that?"
SD: "Well, how do you feel about your relationship with Caitlin, your relationship with Mommy and your relationship with me?"
BF: "Well, I love you very very much and I'm extremely happy with Caitlin. Your mom and I still have a lot of work to do to communicate better."
SD: "How will you feel when you divorce Mommy and marry Caitlin?" [NB - Mommy filed for divorce 4 years ago and then slammed the brakes on it when I came into the picture 2 1/2 years ago. I did NOT split up the marriage.]
BF: "I'll be very happy."
SD: "Well won't you be sad to divorce Mommy?"
BF: "Well no, my love. It's been a long time coming and I'm ready for it to be over with so we can all move on with our lives."
SD: "Do you think you rushed things with Caitlin?"
BF: "No, my love, not at all. Caitlin and I support and love each other very much. We're so happy together."
SD: "Do you think you and Caitlin will get a divorce?"
BF: "No, I don't think we will. Caitlin and I work together, even when things are very very hard. We deal with a lot of stress and pressure in our lives, but we always come out ok because we both work hard together to make it work."

She may have asked more questions, like "why didn't you and Mommy work together to make it work?" but I came back at that point from playing outside with our little one. I can't believe how much adult CRAP that woman puts in her 11-year-old daughter's head! No child of that age comes up with stuff like that. (Please correct me if I'm wrong!) I understand the fear of another divorce, that would make sense for her age, but I just have the distinct feeling that BM is throwing around comments like "well, he couldn't make it work with me, he won't be able to make it work with Caitlin." HE of course is the failure, SHE is the one who tried. Riiiiiiiight. Anyway, "someone" had to plant the idea in her head that we "rushed things" getting together when we did. I really don't think she came up with that one on her own.

What saddens me most is, up until a few months ago when we announced we're having another baby, SD was all about "when are you two getting married? This is so exciting! I can't wait! We've been waiting FOREVER." Then, BM had a major freak-out over the new baby coming because "her husband" has proven once again that he is NO LONGER WITH HER and now SD feels guilty about even being happy for us (and WITH us!) and loving us and her new siblings. It's so sad. I hope SD doesn't do a complete 180 and eventually say "I don't want you to get married!" because BM is in the background singing "woe is me" and other such nonsense.

I think my fiance dealt with SD's questions very well. I'm sure she'll report back to BM everything she doesn't want to hear! I only wish he had had the chance to ask her how SHE felt about the impending finalization of the divorce and our remarriage. In due time, in due time...

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Little Jo's picture

My first question is, Why can't HE file for a divorce. You know, making her the defendant. That's crazy that she haulted the proceedings. He should be able to file a new motion.

BM is probably putting non-sense in her head. I guess thats where you have to reassure her over and over again how happy you are with her and how exciting it will be for her to be a new big sister.
Sounds like BF spoke very well with her. I think he answered her questions quite well.

Keep up the good work. SD will eventually see through her confusion.

P.S. And don't you find out the sex of that baby.. lol

Jo

Caitlin's picture

In answer to your question, BM ran him bankrupt so we haven't been able to afford a lawyer to close the divorce. It's so ridiculous. 3 years ago, he thought he DID have a final divorce (before we even got together.) He had this very official-looking document that said "consent to final divorce decree" which he thought was the "final divorce decree". They had both signed it and the divorce was essentially granted except for the fact that she, as the plaintiff, needed to "close the precipe" (whatever that means, right?) After 2 years, we understood that he, as the defendant, could "close the precipe" and he tried. Half a dozen times! Without a lawyer, he couldn't get anywhere. He has gone as far as taking off work and going to the courthouse to ask in person "what do I need to do to rid myself of this woman?!?" (maybe not in those words, lol!) and they were of NO HELP. He has been turned away too many times to even waste another moment continuing to try.

Oh and we've tried free legal aide - he's ineligible because he doesn't live in the county where the divorce was filed, and legal aide in our county won't touch a divorce in another county. He can't take out a loan because she drove him to bankruptcy so I was going to take out a loan from my company because they offer (er USED TO offer) interest-free loans to employees. We were so excited to finally have the money to retain a lawyer and close the divorce, and then that fell through. Huge letdown! Well, now we're just going to use my tax refund to retain a lawyer. The day the money lands in my account, he is officially represented and we will get this damned thing over with!

As for SD, she knows the truth. She's just really torn because she feels bad for poor little mentally ill Mommy who has nothing and no one but SD. She is absolutely in love with her baby sister and is really excited about another new baby, but this all "hurts" Mommy so she just feels really bad about it. BM tries to make like SD having healthy relationships with others outside of her somehow takes away from their relationship. In spite of all BM does to sabotage her relationships with her dad, me, her baby sister, my family, etc, SD really does love us and enjoys spending time with us. By biggest fear is that one day all this attempted alienation by BM will actually SUCCEED. And not because SD doesn't know the truth, but because she just can't deal with BM's wrath anymore.

happy's picture

be curious about and it sounds like a lot is BM talking to her and doing her "coaching"...
My daughter will be 11 this year and my husband and I got married in July so she was 9, she asked me the questions well "how do you know you and SD will not get divorced? Well how come you and my dad are not together? How are you so happy with SD and not my real dad? Those I think are normal questions. And it may be things she has been thinking about too. Now as for some of the other things.. Noway her mom is like telling her well ask your dad this and then this.
Its very sad for this little girl.

I have to be honest and say though.. My daughter and I are very close. She is very protective of me with anyone and I am sure I tell her more then I should but its because I believe in being honest with her and teaching her things. I do not tell her everything, but if she asks me things I tell her. My daughter is going into her teenage years soon, and I am not worried at all about our relationship because her and I are so close. One of my childhood friends is the same way with her daughter.. Very open with her and her daughter will be 13 and they are very close too. I am only saying this stuff not to defend her mom at all, but my daughter has always been with me thru everything and we just have a very close bond. I do use discretion on things but again I am very open. About her dad and I, my husband and I.. My mom never told me about sex or really talked to me about my friends or boyfriends in high school so I am trying hard to be different with my daughter..

Caitlyn- I feel very sorry for your SD but for you and your hubby to be.. Because you sound like very loving parents to her and only want whats best for SD.. Where as the BM is just consumed with hatred with you.. That is how I see the whole situation. That she does not want you to be in the picture and she will hold this divorce off as long as she can just out of spite.. To try to keep that wedge. Does that make sense..

Well I am sorry..
But you are a strong "woman".. SO I know you will get thru all that is thrown your way..

Ok I'll shush now..
Happy

Caitlin's picture

I appreciate you sharing what your daughter had to say when you were getting remarried. You're right - I think it is normal and age-appropriate to wonder why the next marriage should work when Mom's and Dad's didn't. They certainly want some reassurance, and we're here to give it to them! You know, I need to hear stuff like this from you guys so I'll stop jumping to the conclusion that somehow BM is behind it. I hate constantly being suspicious like that! (But, I have to admit, she gives us good reason to be suspicious!)

As I continued reading your post about your lovely relationship with your daughter, a lightbulb went off in my head because this is what BM tries to convince everyone of - that she and SD have this incredible close relationship blah blah blah. She likes to refer to themselves as "the Gilmore Girls" as though they're the best of friends, more like sisters than mother and daughter, like Lorelai and Rory. (If you haven't seen the show, I highly recommend it!) So BM leans on SD like she is her peer, not her kid. She confides way too adult stuff in her, and makes it out to be something more along the lines of what you have with your daughter where you tell her a lot in the name of honesty and learning about life. She thinks she has with SD what you have with your daughter, but the reality is that she is crippling the poor kid! She has driven SD to several suicide attempts because SD can't take all the adult drama her mom lays on her and BM dares call themselves the Gilmore Girls!

The saddest part is, I don't think BM hasn't been successful at convincing HERSELF that they have such a close perfect relationship. If she had, she wouldn't feel so threatened by ME! She would be confident in their relationship and know that there was nothing I could do to change that!

As for your last point about her holding off the divorce as long as she can out of spite and to keep a wedge, yes that makes PERFECT sense and you're not the only one to see it that way! (I love that you asked if it made sense, oh I got to giggling on that one!)

Thanks again. I always love what you have to say!

happy's picture

That your BM uses your daughter as she is her only "friend" all she has. My situation is different there. My daughter is a Straight A student she often tells me she loves the fact that I push her so hard to do so well. My mom never pushed me which is a problem with me still today. I work everyday in a job thats not bad, but its not what I really wanted to do. So I push my daughter not hard but I tell her all the time that although I work and all that, that she must follow her heart and her dreams, because I wish so much I would have been inspired and pushed by my mom to be something.. (does that make sense).
Your BM is using her daughter to try to get to you and your BF. She is not honest with her I don't think. She is not honest with herself. She first in my opinion, needs to let the divorce happen because if she were honest with herself she would see that no matter how long she tries to keep you two from "Tieing the Knot" nothing is obviously going to split you to up. If that were the case and you were weak I am sure after about 6 mo. of her Bull shit you would have been out of there. LOL..
Caitlyn- give it time. I know it sucks because you can see clearly what she is doing. but your SD is getting older and will with the grace of god she may make it thru and realise how "unstable" her mom is. Keep her in the therapy and love her as much as possible and give her the reassurance you are.. You will all prevail in this war with BM. Time is of the essence..
Smile and take care of that baby in your belly and the little one that will be hitting the terrible 2's right?

I just have to change the subject to give you some humor.. When I had my son my daughter was 2 yrs. and 5 mo. old. I stayed in the hospital for 2 days with him. The night I came home from the hospital, I was sore and going "potty" and my daughter came to the door and wanted something and she stood screaming at me, and all I could do is sit there and look at her and cry and say oh my gosh what did I just do. It was the blues you know.. Hormones trying to do back to normal, whatever the hell normal is for my body. About a week later she wasn't so jealous anymore..

Ok.. I am done again.. LOL

Happy

PS if I was going to classify me and my daughter as anyone off a Roseanne, I am her and I mean to tell you my daughter is Becky and Darlene rolled into one and a little Roseanne too.. She is baetiful, funny good sense of humor and she can tell you just how she feels no problems, but in a nice sorta way.. LOL

Caitlin's picture

I wanted this second baby so bad - I had it in my head that I wanted kids 2 years apart, and by 2 years apart I meant 2 years apart in school, not 3. Since I have an August baby, she just makes the cutoff and 2 years and 10 days apart would mean 3 years apart in school because of the September 1 deadline. When I made this realization, I was like "oh no! We need to get started! We only have 2 chances left to get them to be 2 years apart in school!" Well, let me just say we only needed 1 try. Hahaha!

So this baby will come just a month shy of my daughter's second birthday. What have I done?! :O I can just picture my 23-month-old baby girl screaming her head off at me for not paying attention to her after the birth, just like your daughter did. AND I can just picture myself bawling my eyes out because of the hormones.

Call me crazy, this is what I WANTED! Biggrin

happy's picture

Not certifiably, just a little.. LOL..
Hopefully when she is screaming at you, you will not be sitting on the toilet crying.. I am sure I was a site..

My daughter took sometime to adjust. One more thing.. She got a little boy doll for x-mas and named him "baby Jacob" like her brother and after he was born I breast feed him and when Jake would be hungry she would go grab her doll and pull her shirt up and hold him up there and say look mom I can feed my baby too.. It was funny...

LOL - Thanks I am having some great memories come back.. Now my kids are getting older and independent.. And mouthy. like there mama.. lOL

Caitlin's picture

My niece was about 3 1/2 when she first saw me breastfeeding my daughter and did the same thing. She took her baby doll, lifted up her shirt and proudly proclaimed: "look! I'm nursing!" Her younger siblings are bottle fed so she was fascinated when I told her it was like feeding her with a bottle from my body.

Ah kids! I guess I better enjoy 'em while they're still sweet and innocent because it won't be long before they get all mouthy!

Anne 8102's picture

My son (also Jake) was five when his baby sister was born, so he was already starting to get to the "don't kiss me in public" age and had a pretty developed sense of modesty, if you know what I mean. So the first time he saw me nursing the baby, he sort of freaked out. Well, stupid me, I tried to make it better by explaining that I had fed him the same way when he was a baby. HE WAS MORTIFIED! To this day, I still don't think he's gotten over the embarrassment.

~ Anne ~

Little Jo's picture

Caitlin,

We had no money, but knew we wanted his divorce. She BM had no money and didn't want the divorce. I don't know what State you are in, but I did all the divorce papers my-self. I found the State website, it clearly defined all the documents needed for what we wanted. All the documents were on line. All I had to do was fill in the blanks and print them up. It was great. Not easy to get BM to sign them.

(She ended up blackmailing us. We had to give her $1000.00 in exchange for her to get the papers signed and notarized. It was like a drug deal gone bad. There is my BF and that Witch standing in a Bank in front of a notary, she signed the papers, he gave her the money, she grabbed the papers back and ripped them up. I couldn't believe he didn't kill her!!!)

Anyway, my point is, when there is a will, there is a way. The whole Divorce cost us less than $ 500.00 to file and finalize. And I was and still am very proud of my-self that I prepared all the papers my-self.

What do you think? Is it possible for you.

Caitlin's picture

I'm proud of you too, for taking the initiative and wading through the legal mumbo jumbo to prepare the papers and make it happen, even when faced with the adversity of "a drug deal gone bad"!! (I can't believe she did that! What a horror! How did that get resolved in the end?!)

I soooooo wish he could get the $500 divorce, but unfortunately since there is already an open pending case for them, we can't simply open a new one that we can then close. I really really appreciate you trying to help though! It's the thought that counts!

Little Jo's picture

When BF came out of the bank steaming mad and told me what happened, I wanted to cry. The 1000. bucks came from MY account. That was MY MONEY. Anyway, BM calls him 10 minutes later to say, Sorry, 'I was just mad'.( Here we go, you get to do whatever you want, because 'woe is you'.)

The next day she called BF and said SHE LOST THE MONEY!!!!!!!!
I was mortified!!! ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME!!!!! SHE LOST IT!!!
How the Fuck do you lose a grand????.

Anyway, it took a few more weeks before she signed new papers.

Anne 8102's picture

She did ask a lot of similar questions, but I think it's HOW they ask that will clue you in to whether or not it's a legit question coming from a child's mind or a coach job by the other parent. And it's pretty obvious that the "rushing" part came from BM, because kids don't usually phrase their questions in the form of a judgment, you know? Poor kid!

~ Anne ~