}:) So besides the issues I am having with SD17 and SD17, the elder SD21 came home (from Uni) for a week of holidays. I have had my issues with SD21 as she is lazy, unhelpful and thinks that the world revolves around her. Her father does not see this (or does not want to!) and thinks nothing of it. We have been talking about marriage for the last couple of months and decided to let the skids know and what they think. The younger skids seem to be ok with it, don't want to involved in the actual ceremony but support it to a degree, which we are all happy with.