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Left out mama's picture

So my SD8 just returned from a summer with her BioHo.

A little background, BioHo is a compuslive liar who lacks ability to take accountability. She has been arreseted many times for drugs, dui, stealing... and she is always the victim.

My SO has always been  worried that SD could end up like her mothr because they have very similar personalities. He has primary custody and BM lives on the other side of the country, and this summer visit is the first visit in 2 years because last summer BM was in prison. He has always worked very hard to teach her right from wrong and to be honest. He challanges her when she lies and she has always eventually come clean.

My SO has contacted a child therepist, so SD will be in regular therepy because there was some things that came up that has him seriously concrened regarding the summer vist. She moved around alot (3 times in 10 weeks) so general lack of stability. She would move in with this friend or that..... all older men. Not something SD should have been exposed to. Also, SD came back and said that "mommy said my underwear should always match my outfit" who the FU%* tells her 8 year old that!? We made it very clear to her that nobody should be seing her underwear.

We had a bit of a situation last night that has us concrend. SO and I were outside, I had just pulled into the driveway from work and he has doing a little work outside. We walked into the house and saw SD come running out of our bedroom. We asked her what she was doing in our room, and she denied being in there. She said tha I scared her comming out fo the bathroom and thats why she ran. We told her that made no sense and we both saw you come out of our bedroom.

She continued to deny, and said that she only was in the doorway becasue she "accidently" turned the wrong way comming out of the bathroom. (we have a 2 bdrm 1 bath house). We told her this was not believiable at all, and she still contineud to lie and say she was not in our room No matter how much we said we saw her do it, she denied.

She started crying and saying "im telling the truth, Im not lying, Im being honest" SO kep  his cool and said that she was not in trouble, but please tell the truth. He has been trying to be softer with her because of the stuff she went through this summer, and has tried to make her feel safe.

He gave her chance after chance to come clean, and she dug her heals in and stuck with lie. She knew we knew she was lying but kept to her lie. When he finaly told her, "okay, ill let it go but I dont think your being totally honest" the tears stopped, she skipped away like nothing had happend. He said the look in her eyes was like "I won that one" It was like she felt like she acoomplished something by getting away with her lie consequence free.

SO told her later that he trusted her less now, and she was not fazed at all. He told me that he was trying really hard to not be the bad guy and make her feel like she could always be 100% honest with him and tell him anything.

Hes upset because now he feels like he needs to step up the discipline because its seems like the only thing that will effect her.
 

Help! what do we do? She is so young, so bright and has so much potential. How do we stop her from going down the same road her mother went down? she has the ability to be so much better than what she showed last night

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ESMOD's picture

Instead of saying.. Ok I will let it go.. but I don't think you are being honest..  It should have been.  I need you to go get ready for bed.. Since you can't be honest with us.. you are going to go to bed early and miss your TV show tonight.

Or Go to your room and wait for me.. and then he goes up and tells her that he feels she is lying.. and that she is getting a consequence for not being truthful.. and that consequence is a 2 hour time out.. no playing.. no book... no electronics.. she can think about what it means to lie to your daddy and how that makes him not trust you.

tog redux's picture

Yes, demanding a confession is not the way to go - just tell her, "SM and I both saw you leaving our bedroom, so here is your consequence for lying ... (fill in the blank)."

Beware - genetics are powerful.  Even if the best environment, bad genes can win out. 

Left out mama's picture

He did tell me that the next time it happens she is getting strong punishments (not physical punishments). He was really trying to giver her the oportunity to come clean on her own without the threat of disipline. But we both realize after this,  thats not what is going to work for her.

We are concrend that this type of behavior, dishonesty and lack of accountability is part of her genetic personality.

ESMOD's picture

First of all.. it is normal to have some what I might call "re-entry" adjustments when a kid moves from home to home.. for a variety of reasons.  So.. backsliding on things that they should know better?  it isn't acceptable.. but it is not unexpected.

I understand an 8 yo doubling down on the lie because she didn't want to get in trouble.  I think in this case.. Your DH would have been better off saying.

Well, since you aren't prepared to tell us the truth, your consequence for being dishonest and going where you are not supposed to go is going to be 2 hours of time out and no dessert or TV tonight.  If you had told us the truth.. I might have been able to give you a much lesser consequence..

Left out mama's picture

I did. 

Nothing out of place. I think she was just in there snooping out of general curiosity... I can’t say I did not do the same thing when I was a kid. So I don’t understand why she felt he need to keep lying! 

fourbrats's picture

She continued to lie because kids don't process the same way adults do. She had started with the lie so she wasn't going to go back and tell the truth while two authority figures continued to ask her. She was scared because kids get scared. It's better to just do what was suggested above and give a consequence. 

It's like when you catch your kid with a cookie in their mouth (and hand lol) and they will tell you they didn't take a cookie. The evidence is right there. So you just give the consequence and move on. 

Fibbing is also developmentally normal at that age. So in the end you have a pretty typically 8 year old on your hands, at least while she is in your home. 

Left out mama's picture

I backed off after the the initial conftentation. I knew having two on one would just make her more defensive. I let my SO take the lead and she kept lying even after he told her she was not in trouble. 

tog redux's picture

They also lie hoping they can get away with it - and it worked. That's why it makes better sense just to give her consequences for lying rather than try to get her to confess. 

Left out mama's picture

I agree.

tog redux's picture

Truthfully, we all do it.

"Sorry, officer, I thought the light was yellow."

"Sorry boss, I got stuck in traffic." (You really overslept)

All humans will tell lies to get out of trouble.

Left out mama's picture

Huh? 

Which “we” are you referring to? The “we caught her coming out of our room? Cause.... uh it’s my room too... my personal space. I damn will say something if someone is in my space without my consent. And if she lies to me.... I will call her on it. She may not “be my responsibility” as you put it but I’m sure as hell not her doormat! 

And if you read the other comments I posted you would have seen where I said I backed off and let SO handle the matter. 

So please tell me what part of “we” is the problem? 

NoWireCoatHangarsEVER's picture

Gosh, I loved her.  I desparately wanted so bad for her to beat the odds of having a borderline personality high conflict alienating crazy mother but here we are 10 years later and I'm sorry to say it didn't go the way I had hoped.  She has her mother's genes.  I don't know what she inherited from her father to tell you the truth.  She's manipulative and a liar and is personality disordered no matter how much love I gave her.  it hurts.  I know.  It's the whole nature vs nuture debate.  I really think nature has a strong pull  

Left out mama's picture

I don’t know how much of her behavior is because of genetics, trauma and stress, and normal child development trying to push the limits.

i want the world for her... she is so smart, beautiful, and talented and has the potential to be such a positive force In the world

CLove's picture

Munchkin SD13 looks so much like her mother, has the sweet tooth and the overweight issues, but personality traits like her father - she likes order and slean, and she is a good people person. Shes smart, in the way he is as well.

Feral Forger SD20, LOOKS much like her father, but her personality is EXACTLY like her mother.

I think perhaps its on a lottery system? Munchkin is very happy, and has some really nice friends who are smart and creative. FF never really had friends growing up, just cousins her own age that she saw at family gatherings. FF was ALWAYS withdrawing into her room. Shes convinced herself that she is mentally ill, which might be the case because Toxic Troll is definitely super crazy. Munchkin is so, normal.

Lets hope that we are more than a nature vs nurture back of tricks.