ex wife OVERLOAD
Hi All,
I have been dating my BF for 3 yrs with talks of marriage etc. He has a 6 &12 yr old. I have a 17 yr old daughter. My issue is that there is an underlying tone and feeling that my feelings will always come last over the ex/kids/ex family etc. I feel like my BF is way too involved with the ex and cares too much about the relationship with the ex. He is not interested in the ex.. just wants to keep it friendly with her. I almost feel that he cares about it more than our relationship. Here's whats happening and you all can tell me if this is excessive contact with an ex or not.
-My BF texts daily with the ex .. some probably necessary some not. Usually about scheduling with some personal info thrown in. The ex need money for sneakers, or whatever. I believe they still have a shared bank account so that he can give her $$ for the kids. I feel she is texting a lot.. at least a couple of times when I'm with him.. and we don't live together so I would imagine there is more I'm not seeing.
-she seems to offer up personal info about her life, and her BF or whatever.. at times my BF has asked her personal stuff. Maybe out of curiosity .. IDK.
-schedules change a lot... much texting is going on about this.. it goes on and on an on......
-She does his taxes for him. I'm sure there is a lot of back and forth about that.. IDK.
-They do kids b-day gifts together at times. They chip in to get gifts. I get them a gift on my own. The text and conversations can go on and on about this.
-he at times visits with his exes family. I don't go with him.
-at kids events he stand and chats with the ex for the entire time. I have yet to attend an event when she has been there as there have not been any events till now.
More troublesome is really his reaction when i try to speak to him about all of this. I have hear "well i have and ex and kids", if you don't like it dump me or too bad or whatever. Although he has made some minor adjustments this is an extremely touchy topic for him. He is very protective of his relationship it seems with the ex.
What I'm hearing from him is that he needs to keep his ex happy etc for his kids. I understand that kids are a priority and that adults need to be civil etc but I think what's happening is overkill. The BF has made some adjustments since we have been together. The ex does not come in the house anymore and her parents don't stay with him anymore for a week at a time.. we argued about these two things for weeks.
We went to a counselor yesterday and all he could talk about was his kids and his ex and how important it was to keep all of that good and in check.. ok that's all good but what about me and my feelings.?? So i basically just sat there and cried. I don't feel like there is room for me in this relationship. I feel like he is still married to his ex. I told him what i want is for him to just have the very basic contact with her and nothing else.... which will not happen.. He says i'm jealous.. but I'm not. What I am is extremely sad and feeling like there is no space for our relationship to move forward.
So how do i get over these feelings of feeling last etc and move forward in our relationship? I understand that kids basic needs come first, but after that your spouse/partner should come fist.. not your relationship with your ex. He says this stuff is all in my head etc?
Maybe some of you step mothers out there have some advice? I'm beginning to think I'm not cut out for this.. IDK anymore.
The OP may not be jealous,
The OP may not be jealous, but Tommar has a point. Her BF and his exwife have a friendship. That friendship works for them and their children. It doesn't work for the OP.
She has to decide if she's willing to put up with it.
Her BF has to decide if his relationship with the OP is more important to him than his friendship with his ex.
The OP and her BF may discover that they aren't willing to accept/end what the other wants in order for their relationship to move forward.
That is OK. Not all relationships work out.
If I were the OP, I would not be able to put up with this.
If I were in the BF shoes, I would not end a friendship with my child's parent just to please a boyfriend.
No matter which hat I wore in this case, the relationship would be coming to an end
No that wouldnt be ok with
No that wouldnt be ok with me, hes too involved in his ex. As Tommar says, for some people that might be ok, it wouldnt be ok for me and if its not ok for you then that is fine.
Let me put it another way, my DH was never married to BM but they had been together a few years before SD was born, they split when SD was newborn (focus on that word, newborn) the only contact they had was BM contacting him to ask/arrange when she could see SD. BM gained custody when SD was 2 years old and from that moment they had a formal CO in place.
My SD is 5 now, so thats still pretty young. How often do my DH and BM speak to one another? Never. They do not call, they do not text. As many visitation swop overs as possible are arranged via school, if they need to meet its at a public place and is a literal hand over with just a hello and a goodbye to SD. We are in April and my DH has had only a handful of emails from BM and that was to clarify the visitation/child care arrangements for special days between now and the end of the year.
It is totally possible to have little contact with an ex, but it has to be the persons own decision. If they are friendly and that works for them then thats fine, but if it doesnt work for you thats fine too, you dont HAVE to like the ex. You dont have to be happy about this situation and you dont have to stay in the relationship.
My only word of warning is, do not ignore your feelings about this, if you arent ok with it then that is not going to change.
There's getting along well
There's getting along well enough to co-parent, for the sake of the kids, and then there is not letting go. And that's his business, I guess, as long as he stays single and doesn't want to be in another relationship.
They still share a bank account?
It doesn't sound like you are jealous, to me, just that you want the respect that you deserve as the current relationship partner.
It also doesn't sound like he is willing to give it to you, so....
Frankly, 3 years is way too long to have put up with this.
Unless you don't mind being a
Unless you don't mind being a "Sister Wife", you need to reconsider this relationship as it is now.
On the surface, it sounds
On the surface, it sounds like your BF has a nice and friendly working relationship with his Ex. On the surface.
But ask this at the next counseling session:
#1- If the relationship between Ex and BF is "so great", why does he feel unsafe telling her needs to back off on their intimacy because it is negatively effecting his new relationship?
#2- If they truly get along so well and this friendship isn't superficial or emotional enmeshment, why didn't they just stay MARRIED?????
Edited to add: You aren't jealous. Not at all. You are feeling that there isn't room for you as a priority in this relationship, because that spot is already taken by the Ex. There is nothing wrong with admitting that. Don't be embarrassed or ashamed.
well my relationship ended
well my relationship ended
a) She would send him selfies of her with kids and he would send her selfies of him with the kids. The kids would be half cut out of the picture, eyes closed, and looking really bad in the background.
b) I intercepted a text when he asked me to bring his phone and it was her saying that he was bothering her with always asking her to reconcile cause she and her new boyfriend were looking at rings
c) she would send him video diaries of her doing her hair in her bedroom with her new husband and talking about her day and he had it saved on the laptop I had gotten him for Christmas.
d) He would facetime with his daughters and if ex would appear next to daughters he would screen shot it and save it on his phone
e) BM left their martial house and moved straight in with SO;s bestfriend that she's now married too. She got everythign she wanted out of the house when she left and in the divorce settlement. So over the course of our years together, he would bring over things like a crock pot or a beach towel or a quilt to my house. His and her kids would report back to her about these things being in my home and she would demand to him that those were her kids special memories and demand they be removed from my house, and he would.
f) When she did marry his best friend he got super depressed on their wedding day and cried and cried and cried and got drunk and said she was the love of his life and his dream girl.
g) He is a musician and he would write songs. Some would be about her. They'd were/are titled "you don't feel the same."
I put up with this nonsense for years. Years of my self respect gone. I told myself I wanted to be someone's dream girl, someone's love of their life. Not the consolation prize.
Wow. Yeah, I wasted two years
:jawdrop:
Wow. Yeah, I wasted two years of my life on the same guy.
Neither his X nore yours
Neither his X nore yours should own the present or future. As his equity life partner you own his present and future. If he chooses to not recognize this... he is not THE one.
He is so wrapped around the axel with his X that all he has time and room for with anyone else, including you, is as a drive in sex and activity buddy. You attempted to engage a counselor to work on the issues in YOUR relationship with BF and he remained fixated on his XW.
I think that is your answer. I was fortunate during the demise of my first marriage that my XW walked out of counseling and never returned. If she had not walked I would have kept working on improving and saving the relationship which would have been equivelent to me sacrificing an opportunity at an amazing love and an amazing life I would still be struggling with what you are struggling with.
Rather than a 28+ year marriage of not being my XW's priority I escaped at 2.5 years and moved on to an amazing life, love, and 21+ year marriage to my incredible bride.
Do not give up your opportunity to have an amazing love and life with someone who puts you first. His X is who he puts first. Let him live that life without wasting your opportunity to live amazingly.
Move on to your future.
This. It was pulling teeth
This.
It was pulling teeth to get DH to stop the non kid texts she would send but he never told her STOP. passively aggressively let SD do that for him. Asking for help to move, to what kind of space heater should I get at 9pm.. And the reasons were always we are friends.. We said we wouldn't be that fighting couple for the kids... I had to explain to him I was the second wife to her still, she still had his balls, and she needed to stop. The only example his kids saw was dad is a doormat and source of cash. It was some brutal times. I said so if your friends go have a beer with her.. He was all heck no.. Then I said you aren't friends. You can be cordial and friendly.. But you have enough couple friends, that she can call their husbands for help... I NEVER called my ex for one thing.. I googled or asked the neighbor guys who I was friends with their wives. It is still a fight at times.. As my kids are younger and my ex is an idiot and texts me about drop off and pick up and no matter how rude I am he doesn't get it. So I get it thrown in my face that I have a double standard and am a hypocrit because my ex is an idiot and his is a manipulator. I could mess with my ex if I wanted as he is remarried.. But why the hell would I?! Omg.
It will only get worse. I still hear, poor Boozilla.. It will get better when she ever gets a BF. She has no family.. My mom is her only relative (BS)
Odd how my kids understood the difference between dads house and moms house and celebrating bday and Xmas with dad and difference with celebrating with me. Joint parties are stupid and a recipe for disaster. God bless those who can do them! I wouldn't go to a party at my exes. I go see his mom.. The grandma with the kids as he never takes them.. She appreciates it and my DH goes too. I don't need to wait to go to a party at his house to see his relatives.
Yes, everything is for his
Yes, everything is for his kids.. Hanging blinds, building furniture.. (They were 13 and 16 when we met).. Moving her the first time was for his kids. And he thought I would volunteer. Ha. Never told her NO. just that he was busy.
Anything can be turned into "for the kids. "
My SO pulled the "I have to
My SO pulled the "I have to do it for the kids" when we first started dating. As soon as I saw a pattern (it didn't take too long) I had to tell him that if this was the way he planning to be divorced from her then they could keep on trucking but that I had to go. About two weeks went by and during this time we didn't talk, that was the last time we ever had issues with his constant need to help and assist her. When he called he said he understood how and why I felt the way I did and he has stuck to it ever since.
You have been together for 3
You have been together for 3 years. Has this been going on the entire time or has it only been noticeable to you recently? If you have always know about how did you put up with it for so long?
I agree with the other posters, this is not acceptable to me, and it doesn't sound like it is to you either. When my SO an I started dating the excessive interaction with BM was not brought to my attention for quite a few months. It was only when SO and BM went out for a weekend "as a family" and I wasn't invited that I looked closely into the situation. It wasn't made apparent to me prior to that. My SO was very much how yours sounds. Far too enmeshed with BM. Everything from having keys to each others houses (and constantly visiting), to numerous texts/calls, schedule changes. BM would text SO to pick up groceries for her. She wouldn't stop hugging him when she saw him. SO purchased furniture and set it up in her house "for the skids". She bought gifts for him. They socialised together at SO's family events, which she always went to. Once I knew all of this I told SO that it was nice knowing him but I wasn't into a polyamorous relationship.
SO did the typical tantrum about it all being for the kids. It didn't have any affect on me. I have two bios, who are young. SO's skids are teenagers. I have virtually no contact with my ex. We have a CO in place so the schedule is set and there is no need to speak. My ex can contact my bios school for any information he needs. He is a adult and doesn't require me to hand feed him information. Only a couple of texts have needed to be sent in years and that was due to a medical issue. Other than that we parent the bios in our own houses and don't need each other for anything. My bios speak to their BD, it doesn't need to go through me. So, I knew that SO was talking out his ass when he said he had to have an excessive relationship with BM for the skids. It took a while, and no contact from me, but things have improved immensely. I still watch out for any weirdness and I do not put up with any shit. SO gets defensive and angry but I just say no problem, enjoy your life with BM, and he gets the picture.
I hear practically nothing about BM these days and haven't seen her in months. SO and I don't live together either. There is a small part of me that wonders if they still have inappropriate contact but I don't hear about it. That is something I look out for.
Does your SO have a CO in place? If so, there shouldn't be any need to speak. There is a set schedule, use it. If he doesn't then he should get one. It's ludicrous to have to reorganise a schedule constantly. Your SO and BM need to learn to depend on themselves, not each other. That is what married people do. What is it with these men? Honestly, there should be a mandatory class that people have to do when they get divorced that tells them how to not be married!!
Good luck. It's a long road to get these men to understand why having an intimate relationship with another woman is not acceptable, even if it isn't sexual.
There is no CO in place.
There is no CO in place. They are flexible and that's why so much contact but he says it's better that way for the kids and everyone.