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18 Y.O. Step-Daughter..Just Need To Vent

sarahpho's picture

Hi everyone, I just joined this group because I need to vent and... well, none of my friends/nobody I've ever met has been in my situation and it is impossible to commiserate with anybody in real life.

I met my husband when I was 20, 15 years ago, and his daughter at that time was 3. We moved in together about 6 months into our relationship, and from then on I had a lovely child in my life - my husband was a weekend parent; daughter lived with her mom throughout the week. I personally never considered myself a step-mother, as her bio mom was obviously very much in her life and I never wished to step on her toes in any way. But.. what else do I call myself? I took care of her.. helped raise her with my time/tears/money.. I have just always tried to be a reliable adult in her life; one that loves and respects her and one who will always be there for her.

We always lived in the suburbs close to the ex-wife and all the grandparents, so there was a small community so-to-speak to help raise her. My husband and I had a goal of moving back to the city when she was older, and when she began applying to universities in the city we decided it was the time to move. And she moved in with us to go to school.

Well.. it has been a change, to say the least. One I am embracing but it is coming with things I just don't know how to address and deal with.. they seem like small, petty things but I don't know.. I find I am questioning the validity of my feelings all the time.

My husband and I have always been very independent with our monetary situations. We've split expenses in a way that reflects the income we receive and that is fair. But since his daughter has moved in.. all of the expenses that *I* take care of have gone up 50% and I am finding this hard. I buy all the food and toiletries in the house for husband and I, and now there is a third adult here.. I am trying to swallow this but I guess I just find myself resentful a lot of the time because it's like nobody acknowledges the extra money and, frankly, all the extra time I am spending doing laundry.. cleaning up after another person.. cooking lunch/dinner for another person.. taking into account the needs/wants/schedule of another person.. taking on the attitude that comes with an 18 year old (we have always gotten along very, very well.. all of her attitude was reserved for bio Mom and Dad.. but since moving in, I find I am more and more susceptible to what is simply outright bitchiness for No Damn Reason)

The kid is 18, has a part-time job, and loves to spend all her disposable income on expensive makeup and specialty beauty products. I feel like I'm only here to bankroll all the "boring" stuff - tampons, shampoo, conditioner, razors, soap, shaving cream, etc. (I mean.. these things aren't nothing?! I feel like I have turned into MY mother.. "How can one person use so much toilet paper?!" haha) We have a chalkboard in our kitchen where we put groceries that we are out of, and she put "deodorant" on the board and I just found myself getting angry... if she can buy a $30 beauty blender, why not her own deodorant? Could this not be an opportunity to teach about budgeting yourself in a reasonable way?

I know I have to talk to my husband about this and re-establish some responsibility re expenses. It's not only about the expenses.. I know this is a change for all of us. The kid is going through humongous transformations in every aspect of her life and I am very aware of that, and I am just trying to be supportive and make her comfortable but in doing that it feels like I just have to bury all of my emotions in what is a time of enormous change for me too.

(Yeah, this post is all over the place.. just needed to vent; thanks for the space to do that)

ldvilen's picture

I'd say the honeymoon period is over. Being a EOWE SM myself for years, it is indeed very easy to think SK's antics are all someone ele's doings, and if he or she were just to live with you, it would be all so different. Nope.

Welcome to being a SM and getting a full taste of what it is really like: "nobody acknowledges the extra money and,all the extra time I am spending doing laundry.. cleaning up after another person.. cooking lunch/dinner for another person.. taking into account the needs/wants/schedule of another person.. taking on the attitude." Wow! You summed it up pretty well. And, to make matters worse, in the future, things could even get worse (or better?, you never know, and that makes things even more complicated).

You need to speak with your DH about this. I guess I would have thought you would have discussed the finance issues, especially, before she even moved in. But, maybe you'all just assumed with her being an adult things would go oh-so smoothly. Anyway, do some backstroking now with your DH and work out a plan. She may be DH's daughter, but she is in both of yours' home. Your DH will have to be the main one setting boundaries with her too.

Again, you need to come clean with DH on this. DH should have set some boundaries with her before she even moved in, and finances should have been worked out as well. I just hope to heck he doesn't come up with something like, "She's a grown woman and I can't control her." Then, you're in for a ride.

sarahpho's picture

Thanks for your reply. I totally agree we should have talked about this stuff more thoroughly beforehand.. it was really naive of me not to think about it/bring it up. We have talked a bit about it since and are going to move some expenses around to "even things out" again but in the meantime I just find myself kind of annoyed at the expectation that we are supposed to be buying this stuff for her when she makes her own money and all of her true living expenses are taken care of. I can't help but feel like she is pushing to see how much she can get away with, that we will purchase, so it doesn't eat into her disposable income. And I want to nip this in the bud before it gets out of hand, I guess.

Husband is definitely not the type to throw his hands in the air and give me the "She's grown" speech.. really, she is a good kid and I probably don't have too much to complain about but I guess I'm just going through this change and it's hard to not have anybody to talk to about it. I am 35 and all my friends are having babies of their own and they have formed these little support systems amongst each other.. they can talk about how hard everything is openly on Facebook.. and I'm just sitting here not being able to relate to them in any way, with no understanding from anybody.. (poor me right lol)

LochnessStepMonster's picture

Your SD needs to be set on track. Not making any excuses for her but her bebaviot seems to be pretty typical as you have described it here. She is 18 and is becoming aware of what it means to try and be an adult. Sbe is in the "I can do anything i want stage" that we all wanted when we were her age. This is exactly what she thinks being an adult is right now. There is no 18 year old switch that flips and she becomes an adult.

That being said, you have to start treating her like an adult. You have Sephora and Ulta money? I hope that is after you paid us your portion of the mortgage aka she needs to be paying rent. Tell her now that she needs to get her own toiletries. It sounds like your husband is just clueless to this because its still his little girl. If it were his son he would ( hopefully) be trying to teach him manbood and would have told him this. As a woman it is very easy to put a young woman in your house straight. You haven't described your SD as being like the other cretins on this board so hopefully ushering her in to the real adulthood we actually live will be easier.

sarahpho's picture

You're right, there is definitely no switch.. I try and empathize and put myself in her shoes, but at 18 I was forced to work full-time and live on my own and I guess that tinges my view sometimes.. "You can pay for your own deodorant; I was paying rent on my own place at your age!" And that's totally unfair to her. Just trying to navigate this new situation as best we all can.. she is certainly no cretin, just a typical 18 year old, and I could certainly have it worse.

Husband is clueless, and it's really on me to talk more about it. He seriously doesn't get how expensive it is to be a woman... he certainly loves to complain about how there's no room in the bathroom though; and does he think all that stuff is free? Wink haha.

ESMOD's picture

An 18 yo being bitchy for NDR? lol. That is probably par for the course. BUT, if it gets beyond minor, you need to have her dad reinforce that if she lives there, she is respectful.

I guess the crux of your issue is that you are having to suck up more inconvenience and expense and "no one" (neither your DH, or SD) are showing any appreciation.

TBH, it's not really 100% their fault. It's easy for an 18 yo to expect to be taken care of because that's probably just the way it has been and no one has set any expectations otherwise with her. Your DH, just assumed things would go on as they always had and that you were fine with it.

BUT, you aren't 100% fine with it. Do you think that you would be happier if he (or she) would chip in for more of the costs related to her living there? He may think the split is still fair especially if costs went up for him too but what he needs to understand is that you shouldn't have to be subsidizing his daughter. She is an expense of his EX and HIM.

When you can calmly do it, I would sit down and say that you are sorry that you didn't think to bring this up before the change in your household, but that your bills have gone up a LOT. You care for his daughter, but really feel the extra expenses associated with her living in the home should come from him and her mother or even the girl herself. I would say that its not that you don't like her or care about her, but financially, you aren't able to support her in addition to the expenses for your husband and yourself.

Maybe it means that he picks up one of your bills to offset the difference. Maybe it means he gives you "one third" of what you spend back.

I wouldn't push the "she should be paying her own way" thing. However, if he balks at paying for her costs.. then you can say, well, why can't she be expected to pay a bit too?

sarahpho's picture

Thanks for your reply.. you are absolutely spot on with everything. The husband and I have talked a bit about it, and he has offered to take on one of our bills that I currently pay for to help offset things. We don't like just.. giving money to each other, y'know? It's just never been how our relationship has worked. So that makes this whole thing that much more awkward and.. difficult to talk about, I guess. But it has to be done; I realize that, of course.

I realize it's a change for all of us, and we are all kind of feeling our way through this new situation. We'll get there.. we all have a pretty good foundation; I feel very lucky for that.

ESMOD's picture

The good thing is that I think that what is bothering you isn't being done in any intentional way to hurt you.

Basically, they are both clueless. She is a "kidult" who still expects the fridge to magically hold all her fave food and drinks and her tampon box will remain full. He just doesn't have any idea that it IS extra work/money etc.. to have another adult in the home and that adult may be his child, but she isn't yours, so the extra aggravation and cost may not be as easy for you to stomach.

pinkb's picture

Glad you are getting this out of the way early... even if a little later than ideal if you'd talked through it before she moved in. And, I agree... you are lucky in that I truly don't believe anyone is intending to hurt you or short change you on purpose. It doesn't mean that when it goes totally unappreciated it doesn't suck.

In our household it was my SS. He was coddled all through high school when my husbands "joint" custody turned into the kid refusing to live with BM, moving in full time with us with NO rules (curfew, chores, NOTHING), my husband losing his job more than once and just like your SD's luxury makeup the kid still went skiing, ran up his Daddy paid cell phone bill and told me to "F*** myself" more than once. All while I was the only one in the house with an income so even an idiot could figure out who was paying for everything. Kid's 20yo now and has never even gotten me a birthday card.

The good news is you care for her and your husband sounds reasonable enough for all three of you to work through it. But, lay out the ground rules NOW and as best you can make sure that they are fair to everyone. If you get in the habit of caving "just a little bit" to avoid arguments or uncomfortable conversations it won't be the last time and the resentment will grow.

If you have to cut your luxury items or activities that you care about... EVERYONE should have to and you should have the smallest piece of the SD-investment fund to pay.

Good luck! We're always here.

sarahpho's picture

It's true, this is a totally new situation and we're all navigating it as we go. There absolutely needs to be clearer expectations here.

We do not charge her rent (would never dream of it). She does not drive and has no desire to drive, especially now that she lives in the city - she pays for her own monthly student transit pass, and she pays for her cell phone bill. Tuition and books are completely paid for by her father. Eating out alone or with friends is totally up to her if she wants to, but I make sure there is stuff for her to eat for breakfast, make her lunch for school, and cook dinner for all of us most days. If I don't cook dinner, I leave frozen/prepared foods for her. If we eat out as a family, husband and I pay for it.

I guess I realized I would be going through shared toiletries a lot quicker - e.g. shampoo, conditioner, body soap, shaving cream. But when she started asking me to pick up razors, tampons, and deodorant.. I was like, "Really? You came home with $50 in bath bombs but can't pick up your own tampons?" And I can't blame her for trying.. she's just trying to lessen the impact on her own expenses and seeing what she can get away with. There needs to be a talk.

sarahpho's picture

No, I do make her lunch four times a week. I just double up on what I make for my husband to bring to work. I realize she is in a huge transition as well, and has a pretty tough schedule with full-time university and part-time work, and it's pretty easy for me to just double up on what I already make for the husband (I'm a chef.. it's not that hard for me). I told her outright, "If you're not interested in what I make him, then take care of your own lunch.. but if you would like me to double up just let me know". And she has been trying to eat "better" herself, so she was excited and said yes - I make salads, cut up fruit; it's easy stuff.. but making that "healthier" choice is just easier if the work is done for some people.

I never thought about it blurring the lines, since it's something I do for my husband! But that's a good point. It just keeps our food budget down overall and our waistlines feel better with these lunches Wink

ESMOD's picture

I don't see anything wrong really with making the lunches. It may even be easier to maintain control over the kitchen herself. I know I would prefer it if my SD's lived with us full time.

I think it's reasonable to talk with dad about the girl paying for her own toiletries and possibly him picking up some more of the general costs due to the girl being there FT.

I wouldn't break up my marriage over 100 dollars.. but hopefully they can come up with an equitable solution.

sarahpho's picture

We've been together forever.. nothing's getting broken up over this. Just needed a vent.. and was wondering if I was unreasonable in my expectations for what my step-daughter should pay for.. like I stated at the outset; I have nobody to talk to about this stuff!

ESMOD's picture

I think it's reasonable for her to pay toiletries because that stuff is expensive!

I didn't mean that you would break up over it.. just that in the end, I wouldn't make a huge deal if it was a minor amount of money.

I get you on the nowhere to vent too. You don't want people to get the wrong idea about your DH or SD.

Just because they are a bit clueless doesn't make em bad people

sarahpho's picture

That's a great tip. I remember my parents used to give me razors in my stocking and I hoarded those things like gold haha..

I'll have to think about the lunch thing, I guess.. (laundry is a whole 'notha thing we're transitioning into.. I do *not* need texts from the ex-wife about doing laundry TYVM) it's just that food is kind of my thing and it's so natural to me.. hardly feels like work.. but, you're right; what am I teaching her here.

TwoOfUs's picture

I like this tip as well. I don't have time anymore, but I used to coupon for household items and toiletries (didn't care to save $$ on junk food, but it really added up for expensive items like razors, toilet paper, tampons, deodorant, etc.)

Sometimes, I could even get this stuff to be free or super cheap and would stock up, putting all extra toiletries in a big box in my closet. I'd also get cheap makeup this way. Christmas, Easter, and birthdays each skid got a "personal bag" with lip glosses, makeup, deodorant, a new toothbrush, moisturizer, razors, etc. They used to love it Smile

One other tip. I started doing Dollar Shave club...and I'll never look back. The executive razor is $9, and I get it shipped every other month...4 cartridges. I was getting it shipped every month, but they were piling up as I don't use a cartridge a week. To me, they are just as good as Gilette Venus, and I have very sensitive skin. Plus, now I change out more frequently since they're not as expensive. The 4 cartridge pack of Venus is $20 or more!

Maybe for Christmas get SD a subscription to Dollar Shave Club and/or Birchbox (designer makeup samples...and if you review the products you get "points" to spend in their store on products you like).

pinkb's picture

Dear Downsouth, I truly hope things work out the way they are looking now. Your husband sounds like a reasonable guy. My husband said the same thing and "we" have paid 2 years of tuition, gave kid a car, pay for car insurance and room and board at college. I heard OTT (off the teet) after high school graduation, too and it didn't happen. Almost cost me my marriage as I continued to sacrifice and sacrifice after working for 20 years to have a decent nest egg which is now pretty much GONE.

robin333's picture

I stopped doing my DD'S laundry years ago. It's a life skill that every kid needs to learn. So is money management. Your SD should be paying for her toiletries and contributing to the grocery bill.

When the little things drive you crazy, it's indicative of a bigger underlying issue. You need to talk with your DH before you get resentful.

TwoOfUs's picture

Yeah...I agree with everyone else here. This is just an awkward transition period where SD18 is learning to be an adult and cover her own wants, if not her own needs. It probably doesn't even occur to her just how *much* everything else she uses costs. It's not a bad idea to make some of these necessities her responsibility so that she can start learning how to really budget.

I have three older skids. SD20, SS18, SD16. This kind of crap comes up all the time. The SD16 is incredibly responsible and a hard worker and budgets her money really well. However, she did tell me recently that she's "saving me so much money" by buying all of her own clothes and makeup. I just laughed and informed her that she wasn't saving me anything...she's assuming we'd buy those things for her if she didn't have the money, but she's wrong Smile I have a good relationship with her so this wasn't a nasty exchange...more light-hearted. From early on, she's wanted to know about money and budgeting and, since I'm the one that handles that for this family, and since BOTH of her parents are atrocious with money, she's often come to me to talk money and ask advice.

SS18 on the other hand is just like your SD. PLENTY of money when he wants to go to the movies with friends or buy himself a new outfit. Suddenly has no money when he needs to replace the battery in his car...and can't figure out for the life of him where it all went! We've been trying to talk to him about saving up for emergencies, etc. but it doesn't seem to be sinking in Beee

Anyway. I get it. In your situation, I would merely sit down with SD and explain that all of her personal toiletries will be her responsibility or her dad's...and explain why.

Journey Perez's picture

establishing boundaries with adult children is definitely in order here. There is no way that I would be buying her toiletries. I would buy food for the house that she could eat as well, but things for her personal hygiene would be her responsibility. Not to mention, there is no way I would do her laundry or clean up after her. Maybe its time to set up expectations and responsibilities. She is an adult and living under your roof. Time to lay down the law.

bitsnpieces15's picture

She is a roomie now. Treat her as such. I am not saying you can't pitch in for special dinner, but if she were in roommate she would buy her own stuff.

Rags's picture

There is a huge difference in being the CP household and the NCP household. Now that she has moved in you are effectively the CP household though she is austensibly an adult.

Since she is an "adult" it is both reasonable and critical for you and DH to define the standards of behavior that SD-18 will follow and that should include what will be provided by her father and you and what she will be providing for herself.

For a college aged kid parents (you and DH) providing a roof, medical coverage, and basic sustenance is reasonable. Anything beyond that a young adult can and should provide for themselves.

Set the rules, enforce the rules, let her buy her own deoderant.

IMHO of course.

Good luck.

Disillusioned's picture

When my DH & I first got together, SD's were EOW. Then - and one week to the day I moved in with DH - OSD (then 16, almost 17) moved in with us fulltime

At first it was all fine, we all got along. I was dedicated to having a good relationship with her, and wanted to be the very best SM I possibly could be to her

And, just like your 18 YO SD, I was the recipient of late teen/early adult bitchiness! In fact, she started it at 18 and it all came to a head by 19

Except - and be careful to make sure this isn't the case with you - it wasn't just teenage bitchiness with her. No, it was deep-seated resentment. Anger. Jealously. Insecurity.

She had always been the apple of her father's eye, and she idolized DH. She to this day resents everything do to with me because she feels that I waltzed in and stole her father away from her. Yes seems pretty immature and dramatic but believe me, that is what all her "bitchiness" was about then and is to this day about now

Be careful how you tread with this SD of yours. Don't allow her to walk all over you and stand up to her "bitchiness"...in my experience, by backing down and simply trying to get along, that brat went over the top trying to destroy the relationship DH & I had.

You and your DH need to work together as a team with her. Be loving, supportive and understanding. But, your DH needs to stand up and keep her in line too!