Relationship ended due to abusive adult step daughter
Hi I am new to this site and am finding it very therapeutic to read the posts about adult stepchildren. I recently separated from my partner of 3 years. We lived together for 1.5 years. I loved him so much and our relationship was something I felt so fortunate to have found - we were in love, we had shared interests, enjoyed being together and were great friends. My ex-partner was 22 years older than me, a widower and his wife passed away 12 years. He had never been in a relationship since this time. He has 3 adult children are aged 33, 40 and 45. I am about the same age as the eldest daughter. Unfortunately the youngest daughter was distressed when she learned he was in a relationship and said she wasn't ready to see him with a partner. She is extremely possessive of her father and never liked me and was never particularly friendly towards me. The older two said they were ok with it but their actions showed otherwise.
When I moved into the family home at the invitation of their father things became much worse. His eldest daughter who up until that point had been reasonably ok started to become controlling, interrogative and eventually abusive towards me.
I was trying to communicate my concern to my ex-partner about her behaviour but it took a long time for him to agree that it was unacceptable and to seek counselling. Unfortunately my ex-partner was unable to implement the advice of the counsellor and could not stand up to his daughter and reprimand her for her divisive and bullying behaviour.
Although I was included in everything I never felt welcome or comfortable and I always felt on the outer, marginalised. His eldest daughter's abuse toward me, the dislike from the other 2 adult children and my ex-partner's unwillingness to defend our relationship had such an impact on me psychologically that it led to my making the heartbreaking decision to move out. We remained close and I had hoped we would reconcile however now unlikely to happen.
It feels so unfair to have let go of a relationship that meant so much to me. But reading the posts on this site has made me realise I don't think it ever would have improved and that I made the right decision to get out.
I know you are very sad right
I know you are very sad right now. You are grieving the death of a relationship. You will be sad for a while, then one day you will realize how very lucky you are to have gotten out of this mess. You are right on - it would NOT have gotten better - the skids would have made sure of that. It would most probably have become worse after the wedding.
If your ex did not have the courage to support you as his life partner before you got married he most definitely wouldn't have supported you after you got married. You heart may be broken now but eventually you will be SOOO glad you took action before making the mistake of marrying him.
You are only 33 years old. You have plenty of years ahead for a healthy, loving relationship with someone who places the marriage as top priority. Please think twice before choosing a man with children. Good luck and a (((BIG HUG)))
Thanks for your wise words.
Thanks for your wise words. They make a lot of sense. Unfortunately however for someone of my age, I'm 46 (not 33 but thank you!) I have to expect that a partner will have kids. I just thought that a man with adult kids would be easier as they wouldn't be around much. Wrong, they still have an enormous impact. Especially on an older man who just wants a peaceful life and doesn't want to rock the boat.
You are right though. I will look back on this and be glad of my decision.
Thanks for sharing maryo.
Thanks for sharing maryo. Your experience as a woman with children of her own also having this difficulty makes me feel less of a failure.
When I found a relationship that ticked all the boxes in terms of love, shared interests, enjoying eachother's company I thought I had hit the jackpot.
I had no idea that adult children could make or break a relationship. I also didn't think my ex-partner would be so unwilling to protect our relationship. Live and learn.
Many of us intentionally did
Many of us intentionally did not date men with young children, but thought that men with adult children would be fine since the children were grown and had their own lives. Unfortunately we found that some adult children act like young children and have not matured into adults who are happy for their fathers when they choose someone outside the original family.
Your exSO's children could be upset all they want. They key factor is that he was unwilling to deal with their poor behavior, which made you the scapegoat. And that's no way to live.
What you are saying is true.
What you are saying is true. I was the sacrificial lamb too. For sure. Wasn't prepared to do that anymore. Not worth it.
Free Girl, Sorry I read your
Free Girl, Sorry I read your post wrong. You wrote, "ELDEST daughter". Do you have children of your own?
As many others have written here, we DO think because the skids are grown they will act like adults. And as others have written, discuss boundaries with skids early in the relationship. I learned the hard way too and put up with toxic behavior for over 20 years before I did anything.
It took a long time to realize it had nothing to do with me at all. DH had failed as a parent to raise SD so she would be able to lead an emotionally productive life as an adult. For the 20 years that I had contact with her she was never happy, always sullen and in a bad mood, acting like a small child, vicious if she wasn't the center of attention - even on my birthday. If I had created boundaries in the beginning and believed in myself more I might have been where you are today. Like your ex, DH could never tell his little princess that his marriage was his top priority. We now have a good marriage but at a price: DH can visit SD just about any time he wants, but not in our home. And now, because he chose to work on the marriage SD does not acknowledge his existence.
Better to nip it in the bud early on. You are right - the odds are that your next relationship will be with a man with children. But now you know what to look for - a person who loves you enough to place your relationship with them as top priority.
That's interesting that you
That's interesting that you say it would have got worse after we got married. Yes I can see how that would happen. Hadn't even thought of that!
Sadly, the bottom line is
Sadly, the bottom line is that if he was unable or unwilling to confont her and set boundaries, then there was no hope of your relationship succeeding. He has no doubt realised by now that his choice means he is alone. She may have won her father's attention back, but for what? I strongly suspect it was about assuring her own inheritance.
No matter how sad you feel now, you should be glad that you are strong enough to set boundaries and not allow anyone to abuse you. He did allow that to happen, so his attitude meant he was actually party to the abuse. Yes, he was a victim too, but he allowed it to continue. I guess blood is thicker than water. We all experience that in later life relationships.
One positive ... He is so much older... Think about how in 10-15 years, you would have still been an active woman with a partner getting past the things you would still want to do. She will have to look after her lonely father.
Yes what you say is true.
Yes what you say is true. Although she told her father that she was angry because she didn't see him as often anymore and that she felt she was just getting to know him when I came on the scene. Considering I never stopped him from seeing his family and that she has known her father for 45 years I was getting blamed for quite a lot. And yes you are right he certainly didn't dissuade her for her views. He told her the reason they were seeing less of him was due to the way they were treating me - quite a passive aggressive response to the problem which only would have reinforced her hatred towards me.
As for the age gap. We were aware that we only had about 10 years ahead of us to do the things we wanted. It was the reason I was so frustrated that we were spending our precious time together dealing with this BS.
Brick is a mini wife to her
Brick is a mini wife to her father and a GUBM.
Ok, explains it! Wow!
Ok, explains it! Wow!
Glad you are planning to make
Glad you are planning to make sure he has a happy life, and when he gets old he can live with you, and you will take care of his every need. Ya, he doesn't need another woman in his life when he has you as his 'acting' wife..
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When you meet someone, enjoy
When you meet someone, enjoy each other's company, become good friends and fall in love, age is not a consideration. I didn't set out to fall in love with an older man. And I certainly didn't think about the sensibilities of his children needing to come to terms with the age difference. It's not about them.
I was going to comment on
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I was going to comment on this post; but after reading "Brick", no comment! Won't waste my time.
I am sorry for your hurt; but you will find someone that hugs you so tight, it will put all the broken pieces back together.
((((hugs))))
You are still quite young and
You are still quite young and taking yourself out of the dynamic is a great thing. Many of us have learned to compensate with enmeshed men, but it still comes at a price. Be selective because you can!
The man was lucky enough to
The man was lucky enough to score a woman 22 years younger who is financially independent, genuinely shares his interests, and even cleaned his house. Yet he let it all go because he is afraid of his own daughter. He is made of porridge, no spine in sight, you are well shot of him. It does hurt in the here and now but as you read these boards you will more and more see that he was not for you.
It is true things would have gotten worse after marriage. Their aggression would get worse while your pain was intensifying because things that hurt when you are a girlfriend hurt that much more when you are actually the wife who has been made some very specific promises that seem to mean nothing after all. And after marriage is when he would start blaming you. If only you would stop being so sensitive or just get along with her or give her a chance or don't say that one thing anymore or give up xyandz or for god's sake you be the adult then life would be good. It's all your fault!
So you are very right to figure out this situation is unbearable before you crossed over into True Hell.
Next time you date a guy, watch how he parents and the language he uses vis a vis his kids. When you detect porridge, flee! I do believe men can have healthy relationships with their children and steplife won't be miserable. I could possibly also believe in unicorns. Hmmm. But you do have to observe on the front end what his parenting is really like. But that's hard too because you get in that pink cloud of hearts and slo-mo and everything he does looks wonderful. Such a trap!
"-- you get in that pink
"-- you get in that pink cloud of hearts and slo-mo and everything he does looks wonderful. Such a trap!" Before I married DH he and SD seemed just fine. I didn't see SD a lot but when I did she acted as if she liked me. DH was very giving and attentive to me. Shortly after the marriage they were two very different people. At the wedding SD wore black and acted as if she was at a funeral. DH turned into a Disney Dad, crying when I asked for one hour alone with him because his princess had suffered so much from the divorce. I actually experienced the honeymoon before the wedding.
What I SHOULD have done is right then and there gotten an annulment. But I thought I could not endure another failed relationship. Wrong. I should have gone to therapy and dealt with the 'divorce residue' prior to having a relationship with anyone. Maybe I would have recognized some things I was blind to. Even if you marry someone and suddenly find yourself in Step-hell take action immediately.
Welcome. I just second
Welcome. I just second everything already said.
Distance doesn't help.
It's not anything you did.
If your partner cannot stand up to his kids and tell them to back off, be nice, and go live their own lives, then it will only get worse.
His adult children (oxymoron intended) are toxic, eat away at your relationship, undermine your trust in your partner, and convince your partner to ultimately treat you in a way he would never treat anyone else.
The trouble didn't start for me until 10 years into our relationship. I am sorry for your pain. If it is any comfort, be glad you got out early.
^^^THIS!!^^^
^^^THIS!!^^^
A man with three mini wivesm.
A man with three mini wivesm. What could possibly go wrong? /s
I beg your pardon?
I beg your pardon?
If I had known of this site;
If I had known of this site; I would have walked away 35 years ago. It was all happening then with my SD and I didn't even realize it would become what it is today.
I have too much invested now to walk away, after 37 years.
You are young and have opportunity to make better decisions for your future.
Good Luck
(((hugs)))
My SD was definitely a
My SD was definitely a mini-wife. As Heavenlike mentioned there are DH's who will walk on the side walk, hand-in-hand with SD, and leave SM behind to follow them. This happened to me. Never paid attention to where DH sat when we went out to dinner. DH and SD would have long conversations. He was uncomfortable sitting with me for 10 minutes. They had an 'understanding' between them and I was treated like an annoying child. At that time my self-esteem was at an all time low. I really believe DH was taking advantage of me financially. The 'mini-wife' behavior did not occur until after we were married. This is why I say if you marry someone and this occurs get out of the marriage before finances have a bearing on your relationship. It took a long while for me to believe I deserved mutual respect. By that time I would have lost a lot of my retirement if I had gone through with divorce. Sad to say money entered into the equation.
If your SD is a mini-wife there is no hope for any type of constructive relationship with her. But your marriage can improve. When a DH begins to treat SM as his partner, a mini-wife will view the situation as a scorned wife would. She can become very vindictive or disown DH as my SD did. Like Stepaside's DH, I think my DH saw a side of SD that changed his opinion of her. But I wonder if he ever realizes he created the groundwork for all of the hostility in the first place.
dear free girl i am glad you
dear free girl
i am glad you are free of the man who put his children ahead of his own happiness. shame on the adult children who deprived their father of a chance to move on in like. most of all shame on the man who allowed his own children to castrate himself and lose a good woman who loved him.
best wishes as you yourself move on. no one likes to be the last priority in a partners life.
my skids have all made messes of their lives and i now stand back and watch as the disasters of their own making come to pass. the karma truck never misses so take heart. their robbing you of happiness of their father will come back to rooste.
like you i wish i had known what i was getting in for. i would have never married my husband.
The beauty of disengaging
The similarities between my situation and Free Girl's are uncanny. My BF of 1.5 years has a 20 y.o. daughter and a 16 y.o. son. I expected the drama to come from the teenager, not the adult. IMO, the three of them have an abnormal communication dynamic to begin with, but my BF says that whenever I'm around, my presence seems to trigger rude and obnoxious behavior from the SD. The things that come out of her mouth toward her father and brother are vile. When she turned it on me the first time, I told her right then that she needed to take responsibility for the impact her behavior has on other people and that I wouldn't tolerate any further disrespect. She had a crying meltdown in which more vile things came from her mouth. Since then, I've completely disengaged.
What did BF do about her behavior? He 'talked' to her. His talk is white noise to her. There was no consequence and they moved on with life as though nothing happened.
Where does that leave me and BF? I've learned the hard way that SD is the one true, pure love of his life - even more than his son. There's nothing I can do to help him fully understand how horrible and hurtful her behavior is because he's very quick to forgive her. He actually wants ME to be the one to extend the olive branch because I'm older (50) and more mature where she's just a kid. I continually remind him that she's a legal adult.
Does this make BF a bad person? No. He's actually a very good person. He's stable, a strong provider, easy going and highly likeable. He's right there for me with everything else. He's not perfect. Neither am I.
Will our relationship ever be his priority over his children once they're launched and we're married? I doubt it. Can I accept this? I don't know yet. I'm still figuring it out.
It's a confusing and highly emotionally charged situation, but here's what I know for sure:
* I don't deserve her abuse (or anyone's for that matter) nor should I be expected to tolerate it.
* There's no life-rule that says I have to have a relationship with her at all. This means I don't have to welcome her into my home nor do I ever need to set foot in their home again. There's no obligation to invite her to my family gatherings nor do I need to attend theirs. While this may seem like it could never lead to a happy and satifying relationship with my BF, I believe all relationships come with baggage and some amount of dysfunction. This happens to be ours. Time will tell if its sustainable.
* While dividing his time between me and his children makes things harder on him (we live over an hour apart), that's his problem. He should have taken this as his opportunity to teach his adult child to a) respect his elders, b) respect his choice of partner, c) take responsibility for her behavior and apologize (she hasn't). When they're launched and he's alone because he doesn't feel like making the drive, he'll begin to understand the impact of his passivity.
Boundaries are a healthy thing. Should SD ever genuinely apologize and commit to treating everyone with more basic human respect, of course I'll create a safe space for her to express her regret and give her a chance. I'd like nothing more than to have a loving relationship with her where she views me as someone she can count on.
As I said, I'm not perfect. I'm disengaging to lock out the chaos and unhappiness that abuse brings. I'm also committing to focusing on fixing myself and leaving them to God. When you disengage, let go, and let God, peace has no choice but to come forward.
Sounds like I've got it all figured out, doesn't it? Truth is, I have no clue what I'm doing. It just sounds like a good way to be.