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How do you deal with your own resentment after you disengage.

bedazzled's picture

All of you who have disengaged how do you deal with your resentment. I have totally disengaged from SD33 and SS31 now.

In my situation this is what they wanted. They never wanted a relationship with me. They always wanted me out of the way. DH has said time and time again that when he was married to BM that they did not have a relationship at all. It was always just DH, SD, and SS. BM would probably tell you it was BM, SD and SS. The 2 kids never shared their parent with the other parent. They just worked them against each other. DH and BM slept in different bedrooms. They did nothing together as a family. DH took the kids by himself. BM took the kids by herself. This started when SD was 2 and from the time SS was conceived. They did not divorce until SD was in second year of college and SS was junior in high school. So it went on along time. They stayed together for the kids. (isn't that a joke) DH has always said that his kids were not accepting of me because the were used to and still wanted it just the 3 of them.

So DH is fine with me disengaging. All the years of bulling and emotional abuse were about getting me out of the picture. So, now that I have disengaged they achieved what they wanted.
SD and SS are on cloud nine they got me out of the way. It worked.

I really resent the fact that SD was allowed to bully me yet again at Christmas. She did it so outright. DH didn't call her on the carpet. He says it won't do any good she will never change.
He wants to keep the peace with her so he can see his grandson.

So now SD and SS and SGK all go do things together every couple of weeks. They totally got me out of the way. DH says I should be happy now because I don't have to see them at all.

I really resent the fact that they got exactly what they wanted. They never were held accountable for any of their actions(because thats just the way they are and won't change). It was never about having a relationship with me. It was always about getting me out of the way. They also now know that they can totally walk all over me and DH won't do anything or say anything about it. I also resent the fact the when SD got married her husband was accepted with open arms.

I can honestly say that I hate them so much. DH wants me to be fine with him going to see them every 2 weeks. I understand they are his kids and he wants to see them. But, how do you get past your husband being so nice to people who have done so many cruel things to you and never been held accountable for their actions at all? How do you get past the resentment? I am not really in the hurt stage anymore. I am in the angry stage. I think.
Thanks

Dovina's picture

No advice just lots of empathy. I hear you I get stuck on how SO can consort with the enemy, it feels like a betrayal. The other half of me knows its his kids so I should understand. I keep going around in circles.
I hope some disengaged veterans chime in on this. One can only hope that time heals the resentment, at least to a place that it doesn't consume you.

bedazzled's picture

It really does feel like betrayal. I have a hard time understanding how someone can just standby and watch his kids treat the person he claims to love like that. I have 3 bio kids and I would never let them treat DH like that and they know it. So, they do not treat him like that. They have a very good relationship with him. It has never been a big deal. It has always been just normal how people should treat others with respect and kindness.

It must be sad to have such a fragile relationship with your children that you are afraid of them. That if you stand up to them in anyway that you feel like you will lose them. How sad to know that your happiness means nothing to your children. Only their own happiness matters. They own you. That you raised people that only care about what you can do for them. It is sad what some people call love. It must be sad to know that this is what you raised. Maybe our DH and SO's become hard to it because they can't face the fact of what they raised. They are not strong enough to deal with it. Or do these men really believe that their offspring is the center of the universe and more special than every other human being?

Dovina thank you for the support. It is a very lonely situation to be in. I am sorry you are in the same place. Not what either of us thought our lives would be. I also keep going around in circles. I feel for you too. I like your quote also.

I just don't get how you can be so nice to someone who has been so mean to your wife or SO. I will never understand that. Just because they are your kids does not make it OK. If someone treated them like that would it be OK? That person would also be someones kids. So it should be OK then right?

CANYOUHELP's picture

I've trained my pet to behave better than DH has his own selfish kid.  I have tried to figure out if it is just a complete lack of parenting skills, know how...or guilt (or both). In my case, he has no reason to be guilty except what he allowed kid to do to all others in his life, which is even worse than ghosting me... so I cannot figure it out at all.

Veritas's picture

Bless your heart Moose...I was wondering how you were making out.

Getting over the resentment is different in different situations, but hard to do regardless.

Strictly going from this post:

"I really resent the fact that SD was allowed to bully me yet again at Christmas. She did it so outright. DH didn't call her on the carpet. He says it won't do any good she will never change."
No one allowed your SD to bully you. If you said nothing to stop it, you yourself allowed it and I don't mean that as a slam against you. Disengagement does not mean that you don't call BS on the skids when you see it. Waiting for your DH to step in and KNOWING he won't just sets you up for more resentment. If SD says something mean to you, deal with it then and directly between her and you. If DH gets mad, that is a separate issue, but you know by now he is not there as your back up. He can keep all the peace he wants to for the sake of the GSK, that is not necessary for you to do it and you should make it clear to DH that for future notice, the way you take care of yourself from SD's wickedness may not correlate well with his lack of response.

"I really resent the fact that they got exactly what they wanted."
You both got what you wanted. It matters more that you focus on what YOU want and work towards that. Getting them out of your life leaves them interacting with DH alone and while that feels wrong, it has to happen. I felt hurt from this same thing, as if DH were living between two families and I was part of the "outsider" family. This is a part of what you have to work through and let it go. Most, if not all, of their past transgressions may get overlooked and never talked about again, but you can change that going forward.

"They also now know that they can totally walk all over me and DH won't do anything or say anything about it."
Correct, he has made this clear that he won't back you up but you have the right to defend yourself if necessary and if you are disengaged, you have the right to not be around them AND if you are, you have the right to call them on this behavior when they provoke you. If you give it to your DH to handle, you already know he won't. I don't know about the dynamics in your marriage and maybe things have been a certain way for so long that you and your DH accept that you will not be outspoken when SD is mean to you. My DH did not want me to argue back with SS, but I laughed and explained to him that I am a force with which to be reckoned when someone hurts me for no reason so he better stay back and stay out of it unless he is there for support. Ovaries are MUCH stronger than balls...

My DH questioned me one time about SS and his wife coming over for dinner, and this is after I had disengaged and about 3 years after they quit coming here to the house because I somehow made them uncomfortable, but it was unclear why. I said to DH, well, since no one wants anything to do with me and YOU have told me it is because I make them uncomfortable, then SS needs to call me and explain to me what I could have possibly done to him to make him hate me so much. I won't play happy family without this question answered and I certainly won't participate with all these damn elephants in the room. Nope, secrets and lies prevailed but you can damn sure bet there was no happy family dinner!

Moose, you have a lot to work through with all the hurt. I well remember that hurt. I don't expect my words to ease your pain, but I hope they do in the regard that you can get a different perspective on this while on your journey through this mess....so many big hugs to you Smile

marblefawn's picture

Veritas, you are priceless!

"My DH did not want me to argue back with SS, but I laughed and explained to him that I am a force with which to be reckoned when someone hurts me for no reason so he better stay back and stay out of it unless he is there for support. Ovaries are MUCH stronger than balls..."

I not only love this sentiment, I love the beautifully correct grammar.

Tiger7's picture

Veritas - I so admire the opinions and advice you give. Much respect. And I love this:

Ovaries are MUCH stronger than balls...

Never thought about it but its such a true statement! LOL

marblefawn's picture

Seeing his kids couldn't have possibly been pleasant for you. You chose to disengage - you took the power back and made a decision that was good for you. That's how you have to look at it. Yes, they got what they wanted. But you also got a better situation for yourself. Focus on that.

Your post could have been written by me a while back. I went through the same thing and the same feelings. But honestly, I was so damn relieved I no longer had to face SD, that tension, the slights, being an audience to the inevitable SD "me show," SD showing up three hours late every time we got together.

The other thing I got from disengaging was a little peace with my husband. Every time we went to see SD, I came home angry. I often couldn't hold my tongue and then I'd feel petty nitpicking every slight that my husband just didn't/wouldn't acknowledge. Then we'd have a fight and lose another day or two of life. Even when she wasn't there, she managed to piss me off - sending him a holiday gift and card without even acknowledging that I exist after I did so much for her wedding just that year. That doesn't happen anymore because I don't do a thing for her. So when she doesn't acknowledge that I exist now, it's OK - I don't acknowledge that she exists anymore. Tit for tat. Even steven.

It's not the way I wanted it. I still wonder why we can't be civil. On a bad day I wonder what I did that this person was so awful to me that she couldn't even put my name on a postcard she sent to OUR house. I feel unworthy.

But for years I felt as if I had to keep trying with SD, putting on my fake smile and enduring. Whatever husband and SD decided, I had to make work and with a smile on my face (this time I'm invited, next time I wasn't invited; SD wants to get seafood, even though they both know I'm allergic to it; SD wants to see this movie, even though I already saw it, etc.) because if I make a fuss, I'd be the bad guy. When I chose to disengage, it was the first time I ever got to call a shot in this three-way marriage. Finally, FINALLY I decided how the relationship would go: I decided to disengage. It's not what I would have chosen in the beginning, but when it was clear I would have to endure SD's mistreatment because no one was going to defend me, it felt good to say: I'M DONE. And my husband couldn't say a damn thing about it because he was part of why it happened.

The resentment has abated over the 14 months since I disengaged. There's less conflict. And as it turns out, SD doesn't really seem so needy of my husband now that the punching bag isn't along for the ride.

Give your decision to disengage time to settle. See what life is like for you without seeing the spiteful little cuss. Allow yourself to enjoy prolonged peace of not having unsettling visits with SD. Stop thinking of it as his skids getting what THEY want. Just let that go. Enjoy what you get out of disengagement.

I regret that I never got to scream ugly names at SD the way she did me on several occasions. I regret that I accepted with open arms her new husband. I wish I hadn't let her slights go on for so many years. But I know I'm the better person for all that. And I think others (including SD's new husband) see that I am the better person for all that. They know who the real problem is.

I am not comfortable cutting people off. I think it's a failing on the part of those involved. I fought that for years only to be continually mistreated by SD. But it takes two to want to mend fences and have the self control not to let emotions tear it apart again. Your skids and my SD don't have the self control to be civil.

You did your best. You tried. Now enjoy the peace of a failed effort that will be SD's ultimate loss. Don't focus on your husband failing you in regard to SD. If you aren't willing to divorce him for it, nothing can be gained holding onto that. I really believe disengagement and the peace it brings is the reward for knowing I tried and did the right thing for years.

Let the resentment go.

bedazzled's picture

Thank you for posting the link. It is a very good post. It is amazing to me to see how similar everyone's stories are.
It is also very helpful for those of us in the early stage of disengaging to get advice and support from those further down the path.
It would be so hard to do this alone without that support and help.

Your advice is very helpful. Thank you. I know I will have days when I have set backs. I also know I will have things that trigger me. Letting go of pain is a process. I feel that disengaging is in many ways just another name for mourning. I feel that way because I fell like we are all really mourning for what we had hoped our journey in steplife would be when we all came on board.
So, just like mourning it is a slow process and not always a pretty one.

I am so thankful for all of you because no one who has not been thru this themselves can understand it at all. DH's cannot understand it at all either. They really do not have any idea what it really does to us.

marblefawn's picture

That's so true about others not in this situation not understanding. So many people said to me early on when the conflict with SD was starting to show, "But you're the adult," (my SD is 31), and "But she's his daughter," (read: so she should take precedence over his wife in all situations).

But a few other friends, who have played various roles in their own step families, have found my situation not very shocking. They include a gay friend who is an adult stepson and admitted he was awful to his SM for years before mending fences (this is the stepmother who defended my friend's sexual preference when his redneck father wanted to disown him). Another is a girlfriend of mine who is a mother of adult kids who hate her husband. Interestingly, this friend is laid back and clearly walked all over by her kids; she often expresses shock at her kids' behavior even when it has nothing to do with her husband! My girlfriend chooses not to address her kids' bad behavior toward her husband and she ignores her husband's constant digs at her kids and her for it when we all go out. In a really sick way, I find it so comforting to hear the digs because my husband sees that at least I suffer his daughter in near silence by comparison!

So we are in ample company, ladies. Now let's go have a great weekend!

Merry's picture

It takes a while for the joy of disengagement to settle in. Give yourself some time, and focus on the good parts.

I won't rehash what others have said so well, but if you are disengaged that means you don't have to be in her presence unless you choose to be. Could be that your DH will choose to be with her/grands rather than you, but you will have your peace.

If there is nastiness most every time you are in her presence, and your DH will not defend you and you standing up for yourself doesn't work with her, then why subject yourself to a miserable day? I'd rather be home by myself or out with girlfriends. If your DH doesn't like it, then what is he going to do about it with SD? Nothing, because that's what he does. But YOU draw a line and set boundaries for yourself so that you can be happy and healthy. Nobody, including your DH, gets to take that away from you.

Thumper's picture

I am a Grandparent.

This IS a huge copout statement NOT YOU but what your dh said.

"He wants to keep the peace with her so he can see his grandson".

OP every single time I hear "BUT I want to see my Grandchild", I kid you not---it is the go to card when the adult (dh) will not put his adult kid in check.

Read the stuff on here. I have too heard it with my own ears from a friend of mine who's adult kid went down the wrong path and DH wont say anything.

BUT I WANT TO SEE MY GRANDCHILD....nice try Grandpa why don't you stick UP for your wife make your daughter accountable first.

OP,,,I wouldn't see my Grandchild again I guess IF I heard my adult kid bad mouth my dh---
if I lived in that world.

SacrificialLamb's picture

I really could have written this post, just change the ages of the adult skids.

It made me mad that the got skids got what they wanted. But I started to think that I had a choice. I could still be in the SD's presence if I wanted. Unhappy, ignored, uncomfortable, listening to all the boring stories of when they were a big happy Original Family (they were not). I choose not to go. I got what I wanted - peace.

As far as resentment towards DH goes, that is harder to accept and more important. When my DH used to go visit OSD and gskids in the Holy Land, I fumed the entire time he was gone because I did not sign up for marriage to sit at home while DH went off and hung out with people who hated me. What other people who hated you would he hang out? None, JUST HIS KIDS. And that feels so disgusting.

I will tell you time helps quite a bit and seeing your DH dedicated to your marriage. He has to validate your feelings and appreciate you. If you do not have this validation, you will not be able to heal. I don't what else your skids do to hurt you....are they are going to make demands on him to drive a wedge in your marriage? If so, he has to stand up for your marriage realizing that his DD may use the gkids as hostages. This last part is so tricky and I think counseling is important to navigate your way through it.

2Tired4Drama's picture

In my experience, the resentment I sometimes feel is due to my personality type and my (unrealistic) expectation that life should be balanced and people should be inclusive of others. Thus, I felt that if my family welcomed, accepted and cared for my SO, I hoped and expected the same from his.

The unfortunate truth is that life is not balanced nor is it fair. When it comes to the weight and balance of step relationships, the scales are rarely even.

Even after disengagement I am still learning not to give head space to SD and her self-centered attitude towards relationships with others.

It is difficult at times because it is against my nature to do so. For example, when holidays/birthdays roll around, she now gets a generic text or generic card, nothing more. Normally, I enjoy being generous and giving gifts and/or springing for a special meal or treat for people in my life. But with SD, I am still learning to put on the mental/emotional brakes and push out thoughts of doing anything special for or with her. It just won't be happening - ever.

I also resent the fact that she welcomed her husband's entire extended family and actively included them in her life within the first weeks of her relationship with him. By contrast, I've been around for almost half her life and it's only within the last couple of years that I can say with any certainty that she knows what my last name is. If that isn't telling, I don't know what is.

When we went to her wedding, this truth was solidified. Her new sister-in-law, whom she knew for a year, was going on and on about how close they were, how much SD was part of the family, how much they all LOVED her, what an awesome person she is, how generous and kind, etc. The whole time I sat there thinking, "Who is this woman they are talking about?" Because she has never shown me any of those stellar qualities!

Yet, I sit by and watch at how my SO is considered a true member of my family and is treated as such. My family has a genuine warmth for him. This is something I will never get from SD. It is an imbalance that is hard to accept as it does create resentment. Moose, this is like your kids accepting your SO but you won't ever get the same from his.

Plus, knowing my SO was too chickensh!t to ever confront SD about her attitude/behavior over all these years doesn't make it easier. There is no way of knowing whether it would have had any positive result, but I do carry resentment that he never even tried. I am childless, but I can't imagine if I had kids that I would let them get away with being so dismissive of someone without having a good knock-down with them at some point. Granted, as adults they can choose who they want a relationship with but they also must know the consequences. Which is often why we SPs resort to disengagement.

I must confess that the resentment over this (and anger at times) does affect how I feel about my SO sometimes. I now keep those feelings to myself because I've learned that trying to get my SO to see my side of it doesn't really change anything. Even he agrees that it's not a good or healthy situation and he is disappointed in her, but he is powerless to change it.

I think it boils down to parental angst - he is terrified of pulling on the tenuous thread of connection he has to her, even if it meant fraying OUR connection.

What a lousy circle dance we all wind up in, isn't it? And one can only guess who will be left standing when the music stops.

Dovina's picture

2tired for drama all of what you wrote resonates with me completely! You hit the nail on the head on so many points. What really resonated is the SIL at SD's wedding, talking so lovingly about a woman who has only shown you the opposite. Its frustrating and it hurts. Because so many of these SD's are a total different animal towards the woman in daddys life.

steppingback's picture

For me, it is remembering that the illusion I had of a happy family with the skids had no chance of being a reality with his child. Anyone who married my dh would be a target of abuse.
It is nothing personal.
He was broken before I got here and there is no easy fix.
I do wish things could be easier, but know that they never will.

Valkyrie's picture

I didn't realize that DH's balls could be given to skids as part of the divorce settlement. It feels like a betrayal as you should expect to be treasured and respected in your relationship as well as DH's protection by not tolerating any disrespect towards you. Unfortunately this doesn't always happen, particularly if DH is ball-less. Speaking from my own experience there.

As to the disengagement, let the resentment go as you're the only one giving it energy, replace it by focusing on you and treat yourself. You feel like they won but they got 1% of his time, what it is is that you feel prioritized last on the list. I feel you got a really good trade, a day every second week for the absolute sheer bliss of not having that circus in your home, to me that is a win. What I wouldn't give, as it is I get the SO and skid love-fest every.single.weekend.

Stepaside-1987's picture

I also believe for me it was because I had this illusion that if I was nice, welcomed them with open arms, and treated them fairly then it would be a great life. I was sadly mistaken. It isn't just me that they use and ignore. It is their paternal grandparents also.

I also feel resentment - though I had started to disengage, it wasn't until this past Christmas that I made up my mind that disengagement was the right decision. I also realized too that my DH will never call them out for their passive aggressive behavior. If they were to be rude to me in front of him - I do believe at this time he would address it. But until that happens...I won't honestly know for sure. Even though I signed all the Christmas cards - gifts were given - I was never thanked. They thanked my husband right in front of me but never said Thank you to me. That is when I decided - I'm done. One of the sgrandkids even came up to me and said "Look at what Grandpa gave me." I kept my mouth shut - it wasn't worth it.

I also told my children that they do not need to have any type of relationship with the skids. Both of mine have tried but continue to be ignored. I also told my DH I don't give a damn if we never have a blended family...my kids don't deserve to be ignored or gossiped about (I don't know if the Skids do...but I highly suspect they run home to BioHo and tell her stuff)

I have decided to focus on my marriage and my own children/grandchildren. My DH continues to receive group text messages that include the BioHo and I at times also feel like I am his "other family".

I am so grateful for this site - it has helped me tremendously to know I am not alone and to also receive advice from Veteran Stepmoms!

bedazzled's picture

Goodluck i agree. I wonder what kind of excuse DH will come up with when his Gkid asks him why he has never been to grandpa's house. Why he has never met grandpa's wife? How will he explain all that to him? He will have to make up some story that makes SD look good I guess.

SacrificialLamb and Evil3 the betrayal by DH is the hardest part. I also agree that with out validation of my feelings I will not heal. They do still try to drive a wedge between us. SD is not just happy with me out of the picture. She still has to rub it in my face that she is right here. She really is evil. She is challenging DH. She now wants to come in to parts of his life where she has not ever been for the last 13 years or even before I came into the picture.

Things that DH and I enjoyed for many years together. Suddenly she now has an interest. Things like sporting events and others. She is trying to push me out of other parts of DH life. One example in her Christmas card to him she said she hopes they can all spend next Christmas together like they used to. She will for sure use him seeing grandkid as hostage.

One of the sporting events we go to is the football games where my husband went to college. We have gone for years. SD did not go there but her husband did. They have never gone to the games til last year. The college built a new stadium and DH and I bought a brick with our names on it. DH told SD we were getting a brick. SD then bought a brick with her, her husband and gkid name on it. She somehow talked the school into putting it right next to ours. So we went to a game. I had no idea SD would be there. After the game she texts DH to meet her at our brick she has a surprise for him. I did not go. DH thinks that it just happened by luck that out of 8000 bricks hers ended up next to ours. He doesn't think his sweet little girl would do that on purpose to hurt me. They now bought a suite at the stadium. So I never know when they are just going to show up. I told DH I will not meet them after the games and if they show up at our seats I will stop going and he can go by himself.

My husband and I work together. He only works 2 days a week I work 6. It is his business. She now wants to come visit him at work. She never has in the last 13 years but now she wants to. Like I said she is not just happy with me never going around them. She has to now invade my space.

2 tired for drama you are right my personality type is like yours and unrealistic. I too thought life should be balanced and if you treat people with respect and kindness the will treat you the same. Boy were we wrong. I feel exactly like you do about the extended family. I also went thru the drama like you did at SD wedding. I too wondered who they were talking about because it certainly wasn't SD.

It does effect me also in how I feel about DH. I try to keep my feelings to myself also but sometimes they just build up and spill out. I know he will never see it or have the balls to stand up to them. He also is scared to death of his own children.

So, even my disengaging isn't enough for her. She wants to break us up.

Ispofacto's picture

Remember that scene in Fatal Attraction, "I'M NOT GOING TO BE IGNORED!".

You are refusing to give her narcissistic supply, and it is causing her narcissistic injury. It is insulting to her self importance. You got rid of her, and now she has to have the last word. One way or another, she wants you to acknowledge her existence. Narcissists don't exist without mirrors everywhere. They also need punching bags to take out their hostility. So she probably misses opportunities to deliver snarky comments.

You are getting to her.

If you have the stomach for it, you could treat her as an annoying minor inconvenience, like , "*yawn, disdainful sniff*, what are you doing here? you're pathetic. i'm busy, go away. some of us have lives". Or ignore her completely. Or leave the room when she comes in. Or get a job elsewhere and let DH pay someone to do your job.

Let SD hear from DH what you are doing while they are at the game. "Moose? Oh she was busy getting a massage today, then she's going shopping with her girlfriends for a designer purse, then lunch at Chez Expensive." Whatever SD secretly wants. She'll get tired of hearing about the fun you're having, and making the effort to hurt you when it's not working.

CANYOUHELP's picture

Testicle free daddeee...yes, many of us live with one of these men. We keep trying to help daddeee find his family jewels, but the likelihood of that happening is like winning the jackpot on the Powerball.

You thought you married a man, who would parent his kids; not happening. You thought you married a man who would protect you from rude, bratty kids; not happening.

After years of hopeful thinking, you stop over thinking it and reluctantly begin to accept your reality. Eventually, you accept it completely and realize it is freaking hopeless. You take back control of your life, whereby nobody dictates the rules but you- about what you do. Now you know you are the winner. The winner is the person who never or rarely see these ill-mannered pieces of work; or watching daddeee morph into some love sick stranger you would have never married.

sandye21's picture

Moose, as I have written before this could have been me 7 years ago when I fully disengaged from SD, and somewhat from DH. Several of the posters have suggested that you have to take up for yourself. This can really be hard at first because you been lying on the floor for some time now, serving as a door mat for the skids and for DH.

The best thing I did was go to a therapist on my own. She helped me to gain self-respect and confidence enough to set limits for everyone. I let DH know that I will be standing up for myself if I have to but he will have my back or remain silent.

Like you I am married to a man who will never be able to demonstrate to SD that our marriage is his first priority. At first I was very resentful of DH and his lack of support for me as his wife. My respect for him took a nose dive. But when I started respecting myself, a strange thing happened: DH began to respect me more but it was a slow process. First, we quit talking about SD. I don't mention her, and if he does I change the subject. He knows by now that I am just not interested. One of the most liberating moments was when DH was on the phone with SD and exclaimed, "She says she LIKES you!" I replied so SD could hear me, "Thats' B.S. She doesn't like me and I don't like her." In other words, I let them both know I would no longer play the game. I was done - finished.

Your SD is plainly trying to drive a wedge between you and your DH. Just be honest and tell him you are getting overly-saturated with SD, she is not nice to you and you don't want to be around her. If DH brings up joining SD at the game remind him he will be seeing her during his bi-weekly visit, but you would rather this be a time for just the two of you. If he says she is going to drop in while he is at work, again remind him he will be seeing her during his bi-weekly visit. If he says he is going to SD's house for the holidays remind him that he sees he every two weeks, that holidays are for the two of you. He may not like it but you need to stand firm on this and let him know you - and your marriage - are worth it.

The thing you want to do is demonstrate to DH that it is in his best interest to try to be as much of a good husband to you as it is to be a good Father to SD. If SD were to enter our home and treat me like she did before disengaging, she would be leaving immediately. If DH takes her side against me he can follow her out the door. It's non-negotiable.

Veritas's picture

Sandye, one of the things I love most about all the comments on this board is that you can weave all this advice together and it becomes a blanket of comfort. You have truly added to the warmth with your wise words regarding how to step up and stop playing the games. This is a huge part of stepping outside of the problem and getting some relief.

I know for me, this went on all the time with DH and SS and just putting an end to it seemed too simple. I was too busy trying to right the wrong and fight for the truth to be exposed for me to see that DH didn't want the truth exposed. He was much happier supporting the lies of his son. After a while, I, like you, saw the benefit of calling a duck a duck and said ENOUGH! I flat out told DH to stop the BS (He would come home from a SS visit and tell me SS said hi...HA!!!) and stop trying to perpetuate his dream of one big happy family since his story had cast only me as the villain.

I am so glad you brought this up because gaining enough strength to be able to speak out about the way things really are can many times shatter the illusion that the DH hides behind and offer such a liberating force to the SM!

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Veritas: Sandye has excellent advice and has excellent suggestions. I learn how to put it all in perspective from Sandye.

What would we do without this site. I feel like I have a "village" of support here.

Thank you too Veritas.

sandye21's picture

Thank you Veritas and Sammi. You cleverly put what I was trying to convey in five small words, "Call a Duck a Duck."

Seven years ago I found this site after SD had a meltdown and DH ran out the door. There were several well-meaning people who echoed the 'social' sentiment that 'children come first' in a second marriage and it is the SMs job to suck it up for the sake of the marriage. This put the entire responsibility of maintaining the marriage on the SM's shoulders. This site saved my life then and with the help of people like you, it has continued to reinforce my belief in mutual respect.

The best advice I can give the OP is to log on to this site every day.

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sandye21 thank you for such good advice. I am standing up for myself now. I will no longer hide the facts of what has happened to me at the hands of SS, SD and yes DH. I am finished with the games.
If DH wants to keep patting SD on the back for her bad behavior, because he is afraid of her. Then he can live with the fact and deal with the outcome of his own actions. How sad to live with the fact that your relationship with your own children is so fragile and based only on what they get from you. He is just feeding her narcissistic disorder.

I can see now that DH is a total enabler in making both of his children narcissistic. That is his cross to bear. Sickness breeds sickness. Sgkids will probably turn out just as sick.

I will no longer take the back seat. If DH wants SD to join in at the football games. Then I am going to tell him we BOTH should give away our tickets. This is our time together and if he wants to change that then we BOTH should not go. In the past I would have just stayed home. I will not do that anymore. If he wants SD to stop by at OUR work. I will take a me day and he can run the place all by himself that day. I will no longer give in and let them use me for the doormat.

For me disengagement is total. I will not be around SD or SS at all. I am done with it. SD or SS are not welcome in our home. He has to go to their houses or somewhere else to see them. Our house is our space. My safe space. I will not give that up. They have never been respectful so they have no right to be there. I will not live with the stress of the possibility of them dropping by. (I own the house we live in)

There never will be one big happy family. DH's actions made sure of that. If DH had handled it like he should have it would be different. He has himself to blame. I will no longer take the blame. There was not a happy family long before I came along. The sickness was there before I came along. It is not my job to try to fix something that can't be fixed. Their sick mess.

If people ask me why I don't see his kids I will tell them the truth. I will not hide the facts anymore.

I have my self respect back and I am not willing to give it up again. DH gave his to his spawn. Now that I have stepped back I can see it for what it is. It is no different than being sucked into the sickness of a life with an alcoholic or drug addict and their enabler. Narcissistic personality disorder and their enablers are a sickness. I will never go back to being engaged in their sickness.

I feel that DH and I can be happy together as long as I stay disengaged and keep all the sickness away from our marriage. I guess only time will really tell.

I know DH will keep trying to get me to reengage. He still thinks it can be one big happy family. He still thinks it can be like a normal family. He plays the games like your husband does with saying SD likes you. He also does that with his extended family. Telling them that his kids say "hi" and such. When they never say anything like that. I am done falling for that. I will not let him suck me back into that dark hole again. You can't make normal out of something that was never normal from the day the kids were born.

Thanks for all the support. It has saved me.

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I am sorry Moose that you are experiencing this hurt and anger. I, along with many others here, have or are going thru this also.

Disengagement has many stages, as stated here. I can only tell you that my stages were very similar to what you are experiencing. My DH, BM, and Skids are all dysfunctional compared to my first marriage and my past. I didn't see all of this at first, of course. I was led to believe by DH and his kids, it was all BM's fault....EVERYTHING. My SD57 has been a mini wife from approximately 1 year old. I have heard the same ole' stories of their past over and over and over. You don't have to be a professional to read between the lines and know the blame was DH, SD57, SS59, SS54, and BM.

One day I realized it wasn't my problem, I didn't create these people's problems, they did it themselves, and I wanted no part of the mind games. I actually woke up one day and didn't care at all. Seriously, SD is dead to me and she absolutely will never be a part of my life again.

DH betrayed me to SD57 and SD57 threw DH under the bus. So it all blew up and I came out of my corner with "all is fair in love and war". I was hell on wheels for 4 years and it is now beginning to calm down. Only because I let it go and DH and I are building from here on. I set boundaries for myself and let DH stay in his narcissist way of life. Again, not my problem.

I don't think about it. I am totally disengaged from my grown Skids, and my DH has accepted my disengagement, because SD57 has shown her true colors and he understands why I disengaged. I can ask for no more, than to be left alone, and DH to understand.

It sounds like your DH has accepted your disengagement and SD doesn't want you in her life, so you WIN! My DH visits with his kids and families any time he wishes, but I don't feel the need, so I do something I enjoy, while he is enjoying.

What you are going through right now? You are left out of the step-family circle and it is part of the result of your disengagement. You feel like you have lost the battle and your SD has won; not true, and you will know this when you realize it doesn't make sense to waste your life on engaging, believe me.

You can do this, I am doing it and feel better every day. I am myself again and have my freedom back, after 30+ years.

((((lots of hugs)))))

Rags's picture

Time for some tough love. YOU are the one that allows the SKids to bully you. If you don't like it, do something about it.

Yes, of course your DH should not tolerate anyone bullying his wife, however..... you are the one who is being bullied. Why do you tolerate it?

smh

This is my issue with disengagement. It abdicates personal responsibility for how people treat you. I don't ignore assholes who think that they can treat me in any way other than with basic human dignity. I don't give a crap if they respect me ... but for damned sure they will not abuse me without suffering the full force of every bit of unpleasant consequence that I can rain down on them.

Time to shred the ball-less DH's prior relationship toxic crotch droppings. If they so much as scowl in your direction... bare their asses immediately, publically and as brutally as you can within the confines of the law.

Don't tolerate it. And if DH doesn't jump in on confronting the progeny of his gonad defecations confront him just as publically about hot having any balls.

I would were I you.

Grrrrrr!

As for dealing with resentment.. the only thing I resent is the rare episode of resentment to my own reaction to toxic behaviors from the blended family opposition. I don't give those feelings any legs and tend to refocus on confronting the toxic behaviors in the opposition rather than allowing any of my own feelings of resentment to grow.

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I agree Rags. I was the one allowing Skids and DH to bully me. Yes DH should not tolerate anyone bulling his wife also. I tolerated it because my self esteem had been trashed by all the bullying. I feel into the trap that if I was just a better person then they would respect me.

I feel into that trap. I have now gotten myself out of that hole with the help of all the support on steptalk.

I now know that I was dealing with sick people. It wasn't me. Their treatment of me is not normal. My parents are divorced. That does not give me any right to bully someone. Just an excuse from sick people. I do see that my DH is ball-less. He enabled all of the bullying. He lost the respect of a very loving wife. That is his loss.

I am now standing up for myself. I have my self esteem back and am not willing to give it up again.

I agree that disengagement abdicates personal responsibility for how people treat you. They are narcissistic. They are sure they are the center of the universe and everyone should worship at their feet. They are not going to change. Why use up any of my energy on them? In my case I no long care about SD or SS they are dead to me. If they fell off the earth I would not feel bad. I no long want or will seek any kind of relationship with them at all. I am done. They are not worth it.

DH has to live with the fact that he and BM created these selfish, mean, narcissistic people. My DH knows deep down who they really are. He has nothing to be proud of when he looks at his children. He has to watch how his children treat other not just me. DH and BM spent their children's childhood telling them they were better than everyone else. They believe it. They created the way their children behave. Narcissistic people are created they are not born that way. Both of them bully DH as well. He will probably choose to let them the rest of his life. I have made my choice not to be bullied by them or DH's sister anymore.

You are correct it is time for tough love.

I respect myself now.

Rags's picture

I am relieved and happy for you that you have reconnected with the person you like being and that you no longer tolerate this toxic situation.

Enjoy your newly engaged confidence and never again give up the moose you like.

I lost touch with the person I enjoy being during my prior marriage. It took a significant investment in myself, months of counseling sessions with the marriage counselor I engaged in an attempt to save that toxic relationship, and recommitting to my "childlike" zest for life. At least that is how the Doc described the person she watched "bloom" over the course of our time together. Never again have I lost, nor will I ever lose, touch with myself again.

Take care of you.

Oldfool's picture

As you all know I have disengaged from my partner's worthless son, his daughter and the BRAT who has just turned 9.

I pretended I did not realise it was her birthday. They did have some kind of celebration but as I am persona non grata, I was not invited and so forth....I didn't give a monkey's anyway.

His daughter is evidently working longer hours and collects the 9 year old BRAT at approx 8.30pm on most days. NOT MY PROBLEM. I make sure I go upstairs and don't park my car too near the house as she will craftily beg lifts as if I am her personal cabbielike she used to before... she appears to have now moved nearer my home within walking distance.

I let the grand kids go on my gmail. My partners you tube account denotes my email address somewhere and she has rembered the name of my gmail account. Unfortunately the BRAT when at my home has accessed applications and requested permission stating MY gmail account for her AND others who I do not know, to access games. I do not give my permission for some of the games that have come up as I do not know who these people are and if I leave my debit card details on Google play she could access things and pay for them If I left my details on Google play. My grandkids normally go through my yahoo account. I will have to change my Google password.

I saw a request for a purchase against the BRAT's name on an application and immediately took my debit card details off google play. She has never asked my permission so I am sceptical as to some mysterious transactions on my bank account
but should have taken action sooner.

My partner cooked some food yes2day. His worthless son and him were going to a party but the worthless son, who is NOT ALLOWED in my home still begged food off his dad.

I know I am heartless but I would not give that lying toerag the drippings of my nose if I saw him begging in the street.

He had the cheek to disrespect me and lie on me but is STILL indirectly wanting help from MY resources.

I think his daughter is still pilfering my cutlery but I have said to my partner that I ain't replacing anything until it is evident to him how the cutlery is walking out of the house and we have no forks left and are left to use plastic forks. I think she KNOWS that I KNOW she has been stealing cutlery and towels from my home but My strategy is to embarrass her in public one day...I am binding my time...

The towels are now housed upstairs..

I was in the office the other day and when I came home the BRAT was outside the work room. According to her mother the BRAT is not allowed upstairs in my home...funny how I have come home and seen the BRAT literally run out of my work room.....

I think the penny has dropped to my partner that I absolutely hate his daughter and the BRAT TOO and I think he has now realised the reasons why....

disrestep's picture

It isn't easy to say nothing when the person who says they love you more than anything does nothing when anyone, nevermind his/her own adult children treat you like dirt.

I think when your DH says that doing something about your SD's nastiness toward you will do nothing to change the way she acts toward you is an excuse for him not to say, "Hey, my spouse is part of our family, and as part of our family, I expect her to be treated with some sort of respect and so on..." Maybe he is one of those people who avoids conflict.

You asked about handling resentment. What helped me is to find a backbone myself and to stop trying to pretend that one day we would all be a big happy family and my DH would come to my defense every time one of his adult brood or any relatives brainwashed by the adult skids made a rude comment to me or started with their antics. I simply said to DH that either he say something when their rudeness starts or I will. Which does he prefer? I also asked him how would he feel if people in my family treated him like the way the adult skids treated me or him for that matter. He said he would not like it. So, I asked him, "What makes you think I do."

Enjoy your Skid-free time. I sure do. Do things for yourself. Keep busy. Maybe talking to your DH to tell him how your feel about things may help.

Oldfool's picture

The hatred for me is plain from the BRAT. If her mother has severe toothache how can she go to the gym in the evening and not pick up the BRAT? At 9pm my partner had to take the BRAT to where her mother lives. She saw me as she was going out and DID NOT EVEN SAY GOODBYE. NO F****** MANNERS...

I don't believe her mother was even at the gym...her mother is supposed to be a Christian but had been a prostitute in the past... everyone knows that except for my partner...i think he has heard rumours but
may be too embarrassed to admit his daughter is a slut, sly and a damn thief..

I think my partner's daughter takes advantage of his good nature but his 2 children in the UK KNOW that if their father ever passed away or we split I WOULD NEVER EVER WANT TO SEE THEM OR THE BRAT AGAIN IN MY LIFETIME......

Recipient of marginal civility and polite disdain's picture

I sure nuff know what you are saying about DH allowing said skid to be disrespectful to you and do nothing about it.  I simply do not get it, for my DH is the same way.  I feel that he disrespects me,his wife when he refuses to acknowledge the snubs and rudeness of his coddled Christ Child.  He thinks his son sh*!s miracles, I am here to tell you all that I happen to know he does not.

SS never speaks to me unless DH is in the room, then he has an egg sucking grin and speaks.  Ditto his lovely new starter wife with her fake tits and brows.  They never spoke to me when they were dating, I would come into the livingroom and speak, I promis you I did not stutter, and the wouldn't say a word to me.  

One evening we were all sitting in the livingroom, and ss told DH he thought DH should get a dog. What for says DH?  For companionship says the Christ Child.  I saw red!  I spoke up and said well that is what he has me for, and ss mumbled something under his breath as is is standard method of operation when DH and I speak with one another, he grunts.  I cannot stand him!

Had he ever been nice and spoken to me, I would've never thought anything about that comment, but considering how rude he has always been, I took it as a slap in the face.  Well, a few days later, I got madder and madder about it, and told DH that I did not appreciate what ss said, or the fact that DH did not speak up for me when he said it - and that I let it go for now, but if he EVER says anything like that again I will address it with him and I do not care who is in the room to hear it - be it doting daddy, ss's starter wife who is just as rude as he is, or the Almighty hisownself!  I have had enough.  Suffice it to say I am thrilled ss is in the military and seldom ever comes home.  I pray he makes a career of it and is stationed as far on the other side of the world as humanly possible.

still learning's picture

"how do you get past your husband being so nice to people who have done so many cruel things to you and never been held accountable for their actions at all?"

You get really involved in your own family, friends, pets, children, self.  Let DH go off and do whatever he wants with his kids. When he comes home listen and say things like "Oh fun" then get back to the business of being husband and wife.  A vacuum has been created because so much time and emotional energy was filled with trying to please skids , now that space is filled with resentment.  Know that you married a weak man and he will not change, it's okay though because you do not have to be a part of his other life. 

What would you have been doing with your time and emotional energy if you never knew skids? Whatever the answer is do that.  

Too old for this's picture

On one hand the hurt and upset that runs throughout these posts is so sad. On the other hand, I find it comforting to learn that my experience is far from unique.  I have a lot to learn from all of you who have managed to get past the resentment.  It feels like I never will.

Moose, you said at the outset that they got what they wanted:  DH without you. 

This is where I am stuck.  DH continues to have a relationship with SD - and yes- uses the grandkids card.  I find it so hurtful and disrespectful to me.  I am working on disengagement but - like Moose- can’t get over the resentment.  It feels as though there are 3 people in this marriage,  almost like a mistress.  He calls when I am not home. The odd time I am, he asks all about her husband, his family, their friends.  Yet the game being played is that he is single.  There is never a word about me, us, or our family. 

If anyone has got past this short of leaving, please let me know.

Thank you all for sharing wisdom and thoughtful comments.

 

bedazzled's picture

I am stuck in the same place you are. I agree with you there are 3 people in this marriage. It does feel like he is talking to his mistress.  I am also invisable. I would also like to know how you get past this short of leaving. 

The other part that I am having such a hard time with is that DH will not admit that SD is trying to break us up. I  feel that if he did realize that, then we would at least be on the same team of trying to defend our marriage. As it stands now I am on a team by myself. So, it feels like DH marriage is to his daughter not to his wife. I don't expect him not to see her. But I need him to be on my team in defending and standing up for our marriage. You can't have a happy strong marriage with 3 people in it. 

I will not hide the facts from people anymore. I have been emotionally abused by a narcissistic SD that wants to end my marriage. She is married and has a child. That is not enough for her. She still wants to OWN my DH. He is one of her narcissistic supply sources. Until my DH can see the forest for the trees. We will never have the emotional bond that we should in our marriage. Until he makes our marriage a 2 some between him and I and removes her from our marriage. Until he gives up thinking we can be the Brady bunch. It is not happening. HIs daughter has NPD. Until he quits thinking I need to suck it up and be around this abusive person he created. Yes he did create this mess. Not me. 

He does not have to lose her as a daughter but he has to lose her as a wife. 

SoDisappointed's picture

OMG... This is EXACTLY how I feel. Her daughter, the one that was at least socialable towards me has now unfriended me on Facebook. Good! Gave me the out I needed. Told the DW that behavior like that gets the same in return. Blocked all her kids from my Facebook account. DW can setup her own Facebook account. I have told her I will not tolerate it anymore. It’s now her issue. I did not create it, I will not waste my time trying to fix it, and I will not be part of it anymore. That is her separate life outside of our marriage. But there are more than just her and I in this marriage and I am NOT OK with that. 

SoDisappointed's picture

With my DW and NPD 30SS, who is playing the role of mini-husband, it feels like an affair of sorts. Since that’s how my first marriage ended, I have a hard time with this separate life my DW has outside our marriage. I am in individual counseling and am so grateful for the support and understanding I receive here. 

I too struggle with this feeling of resentment and abandonment, and I know it’s not healthy. But a lot of it comes from my past experiences that has been triggered by a very unhealthy relationship between DW and her disfunctional family. I keep telling myself I am not responsible for that disfunction because it existed before I was part of her life. I feel sorry for them all and just hope that by disengaging I will reclaim myself and with time my DW can find her way back to what we once had. It will never be the same, but maybe it can be enough. 

I guess what I’m saying is with support, counseling, and time maybe (from what I have read here) these feelings will subside. I worry that I will somehow get a false sense of hope that she will at some point “come to her senses” and see the situation for what it really is. I keep telling myself that the chances of that happening are extremely low and I have to keep reminding myself that expectations are a dangerous trap because when not met, the disappointment can be pretty hurtful. 

sandye21's picture

You DW may never "come to her senses" but you have.  You are creating reasonable boundaries - she's not.  You are considering her feelings - she doesn't care about yours.  You are respecting her space - she's not respecting yours.  You are respecting her time with her adult children but she doesn't care if they respect you.  So it's time to take care of yourself. 

Do you think she wants to be married to you?  It doesn't sound like it.

SoDisappointed's picture

I don’t know if she does anymore. I told her that the skids need to stay out of our marriage and that she and I need some outside help if we want to save our marriage. She said “I feel like you want someone to agree with you and give them an ultimatum. But that just isn’t the answer.”

WTF? I told her I don’t need anyone to agree with me and I have never said anything about any ultimatum. I have given them all what they want, her without me, as often, and for as long as they want. It was liberating. I only ask that they stop interjecting themselves into our marriage. 

I want a neutral third party to help us resolve our issues around this problem. I think she knows her family is F’d up and her inability to handle it is at the root of the problems. Why would she want someone else tell her that?

Rags's picture

The tendency for many in blended family marriages to surrender their spouse to the toxic opposition and abdicate their position as equity life partner to their spouse has never ceased to boggle my mind over the years.

I refuse to play that game in my own blended family marriage.

bedazzled's picture

I do not understand that either. That is the part that really hurts. I am disengaged from SD for my own survival from years of abuse.  DH does not even seem to care that I am not with him. He has never looked back. It doesn't bother him at all to go do all these things with out me.  I would care if he wasn't with me because, of my kids behavior  and bullying of him.  I really thought that a marriage was about being a team and having each others back. It was on my part. It is not that way on his part. 

SoDisappointed's picture

Sad but true. It’s emotional abandonment that is equal to an affair they are not willing to end. It just sucks that commitment to wedding vows are just words to some when they mean so much to others. 

MadHatter's picture

In the beginning, disengagement is hard. You hate that DH is out having the time of his life with his kid. Enjoying his time without you. Hearing God only knows what the hateful step has to say about you. Probably not defending you. There are a million things that go through your mind while he's gone, and when he gets home, you're worked up into a steaming lather! 

I promise, it gets better with time. I now look forward to the time I get to spend reading, shopping, going to the salon, or just taking a nap with DH is off doing whatever he pleases with the spawn. Just hang in there. It's something that takes a little getting used to because you are feeling abandoned, but when you begin to realize how much happier you are because you're not being forced into a tense situation, it make life so much better.