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"Failure to Launch" skid might be launching

MorningMia's picture

SS moved back in with his mother a while back and it appeared that he was slipping back into the cult. Now in his upper 30s, he has always both craved his mother's approval and struggled with her bizarre beliefs and ridiculously controlling behavior. He has gone all black or all white with us through the years. In the earlier days, I felt badly for him, and at one point we had a good relationship. But then he had to prove where his loyalties lied. I cannot imagine the pressure he went through. 

Just when we would think our relationship with him was getting better or even good, the lightswitch would flip off. We knew where the pressure was coming from: After one visit with us about 10 years ago, SS went home and immediately changed his FB profile picture to him and mommy cheek-to-cheek. He had to prove to her that she was still his #1. I said to DH, "No wonder he can't find a girlfriend--someone is always there in the way." 

Occasionally, SS would talk to us (together and also alone with DH) about what had gone on that had created so much animosity. He would bring up the subject. Then, we later assumed, he would go home, report the conversation to BM (I always envisioned the bare lightbulb swaying from the ceiling over his head) and fall back into the wacky fold, and we wouldn't hear from him. We often saw his behavior radically change toward us (for the worse) once he went back to mommy. The last few times he spent any time with us were pretty unbearable. He was clearly on "the mommy train" even while here. His behavior in our home was awful, and he was doing the "mommy worship" talk so common with his sister. This was a 30-something guy, not a 12-year-old. 

So, yes, he has always struggled, but at some point you act like a big boy and work to discard the demands of Mommy Dearest. We, of course, never expected him to hate her, reject her, or anything like that. We just expected to have a decent relationship with him. Those expectations are long gone.  

Anyway, "Failure to Launch" has been living in his mother's cramped apartment and told DH at one point that he would be moving out, but he would be finding a place near his mother and sister, which shocked us. It is not his kinda town. I thought: Well, she got her claws back in him. But apparently something has happened. I'm envisioning a falling out. SS told DH over the weekend that he is moving 20 hours away. Yes, the pendulum is still swinging. 

SS owns nothing. The poor person he is moving in with (found online) has no idea what they are in for. To put it bluntly, SS is an immature and inconsiderate pig, a coddled baby incapable of putting a dish in a dishwasher. I've witnessed it. He sees a fully furnished apartment at a reasonable price. Hopefully, he can behave himself, be an adult before he hits 40, and make the psychological break from the cult. Do I have faith? Not really. But it's better that it might be happening later than never. . . because that "never" is quickly approaching. 

Meanwhile, my info on who SS is = when someone shows you who they are, believe them.  I'm just thinking this puts him even further away from us, which is fine with me, because I planned on never seeing him again, anyway. Kind of a sad story but, well, we tried. 

Elea's picture

Geez, BM must have strong cult leader skills to still have a 30+ y/o failure to launch kid at her home. I can see SK's being confused into their 20's but if it goes on beyond that then that's just who they are. Even teens begin to show their character, by the time someone is 30, who they are as a person is set, for better or for worse. Not that people can't continue to grow and become wiser into old age, but I don't think people change THAT much.

YSD is back to following after her cult leader BM. The "Mommy worship talk" is the perfect way of putting it.  SD's come here and talk about BM this, BM that, poor BM, blah blah blah. Shut-up, nobody cares. BM is passive aggressive, whiny, controlling, entitled etc ... SD's act the same way after spending time with her.

Even DH's sibling has commented on how obnoxious it is that SD's post BM on their social media but not DH. Everyone knows that DH is the one that provided SD's the opportunities and the life style that they have had. BM has done nothing but be a life suck and she takes credit that she doesn't deserve.

MorningMia's picture

BM has played the suffering martyr for decades. When both skids were young adults and misbehaving, BM did something very drastic, put herself in a dangerous situation clearly as a punishment and (purposely) instilled such fear in the skids that they straightened up and bowed down to her more than ever. She has demanded full devotion. And, yes, has painted DH as an abandoning sperm donor. She has always lied to the skids about the reason for the divorce, although they were witnesses to it (she found herself a boyfriend). SS has struggled with it all; SD fully succumbed to it long ago (after the fear episode). 

Yes, BM is a very sick person, and I honestly can't imagine what else she has put them through. Here, too,  neither of them indicated they had a father on social media while constantly publicly worshipping their mother. I finally unfriended and blocked. I was only on there to find out what was really going on, anyway, because DH was constantly being lied to. 

Elea's picture

I have never been connected to SD's on social media in any way. The only reason I knew that they only post about BM is that DH's sibling told me. DH has never said a word to me about what they post, which is fine by me. (He is "friends" with them on social media.) 

I keep mine locked down. I have no desire to share my life with SD's beyond what is unavoidable.

MorningMia's picture

Smart. DH is only on Instagram. We found FB helpful (in hindsight, it was ridiculous that it was my role, but it was one I chose) especially when the skids were younger and their mother was constantly whining about having no money and needing more from DH, even after CS ended. The DumbAs didn't know to hide their 2x/year vacation pictures, the apparent extravagant spending on SD for dances, the professional photos, or all the other things they hid from or lied about to DH while claiming poverty. Some of the exposed lies reached a pretty disturbing and complex level and made it clear that BM was going to incredible lengths to alienate DH from the skids ("We won't be home for a week and we won't have cell phone service where we're going" -- BZZZ. Lie. SHE left the kids home alone and didn't want him to know/didn't want him to have unsupervised conversations with them). Seeing this did help to clear DH's vision a bit, as he went through a long period of believing everything he was fed. He was really taken for a sucker. 

Not to say that there were not times when I was connecting with the skids in ways other than spying. I just got to a point where I didn't care about all the lies any longer--they were a normal, expected thing. And I was over the public pretense that they didn't have a father. Yea, I also decided they don't deserve to know anything about what's going on with me. 

Jeez, I think back on this stuff and, again, it was as if DH (and I) was/were treated like criminals. We would rack our brains wondering what the hell we did. But it was all about BM needing full control. I can't say it enough. . . she's a very sick person. Tragic for the skids. 

Elea's picture

I shouldn't say he never tells me what they post because sometimes he shows me pictures of what they are doing. "Oh look, SD's are visiting the pyramids, now they are having dinner at a restaurant, now they are traveling by train" and so on. I really don't care to look at the photos but I smile and nod, "That's nice" for DH's sake. 
 

What I didn't know, but was not surprised to hear, is they give DH zero acknowledgment while worshipping deadbeat BM. 
 

It is clear these are kids that had a lot of advantages growing up in order to be able to do what they are doing now.

Elea's picture

You would think that young adults that can manage to travel and finish college and do a lot of great things would be better people to those closest to them but nope. They fight like cats with their closest relatives and friends.
I also expect that they will run out funds to live their current lifestyle. Especially YSD26 who has been underemployed for a couple of years now. BM is greedy, no way she will be putting her money towards SD's lifestyle. 

Trudie's picture

Have you ever wondered why your husband's sibling tells you? Could it be they think you are interested, could they be trying to get a 'dig' in, or do they lack common sense? I ask because I often wonder why people share things if they know it is a difficult relationship? Some people lack the awareness to know it may be hurtful and some just want a reaction. 

Elea's picture

I don't think there was any ill intent. The sibling said it to both of us, to our face.
 

I think they don't realize that I am not "friends" with SD's on social media. A lot of times people have no idea how little contact I have with the diablas. A lot of DH family is so absorbed in their own problems that they know very little about anyone else's.

Not only do the diablas not know me, but their actively horrible behavior is a repellent. I  no longer care what they are doing unless it directly impacts me or my household and I don't like to be around them. 

Rags's picture

These things are like a fungus with countless tendrils that run just about everywhere.

If he can function without latching on mommy, hopefully he attains viable independent adulthood and can find an actual adult relationship with his dad and with you.

MorningMia's picture

He's not into the religious part of the cult-life, which has always made him the outcast with his mommy and sister. But the other part of the cult has impacted him. . . the guilt trips, the martyrdom, all of that. DH and I were always here for him but, oddly, as SS got older, he became more obnoxious and rude toward us. I think the chances of him being capable of having any semblance of a normal or positive relationship with us is about 1% even after he untangles himself from mommy. It's almost as if the skids feel they are betraying God if they get along with us, especially me. 

JRI's picture

What kind of odds are you giving on how long it will last?

MorningMia's picture

Interesting that you ask. I doubt he will/can live in a roommate situation very long, as he was very coddled growing up and never learned--or just doesn't care about--the basics: Don't open windows when the heat is on (especially after you've turned it up); at the very least, put your dirty dishes in the sink, preferably in the dishwasher and rinsed off; super long showers are just plain rude when you're sharing a hot water heater with others; don't take over a common area like a kitchen table for hours and hours with your laptops day after day; don't use up every one else's groceries while hiding yours in your room; don't always pick the most comfortable piece of furniture to monopolize; ha . . . you get the picture.  

Daddy visits were DisneyDad episodes when the skids were younger, so this crap behavior was reinforced. God forbid you correct your kid. They  might not like you anymore.  But I digress. 

So, moving in with a roommate when he is unbearable to live with is the big problem -- like I said, he owns nothing, so he is dependent on others to have a bed, dishes, the usual. I think the first 6 months will be telling. He'll either sink or swim. I guess it's about a 50-50 chance that he'll return to the cult. 

(I think it's really odd that he says he has longtime friends living about 4 hours from his mother. He had talked of heading that way. But I kind of question the status of his friendships. Approaching 40, I would imagine most people he knows/knew have surpassed him in the maturity area.)  

 

Trudie's picture

Please keep us posted. I hope, that for his well being, that he makes a successful transition to adulthood. I can see why you have your doubts though; I have the same with OSD, as she has never 'adulted' without being propped up and that is not really 'adulting'. Like BM and your SS, her family has crippled her growth.