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Have a Police related question to the joys of Civil Family Court?

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Very often, Police are called to be involved in some way, with people's Civil matters or Family Court Issues.

Sometimes there is confusion on what the police can and can not, or will not, do and why. Perhaps we think the police will enforce something in our Civil court order that they will only take a Matter of Record documentation of and we are upset wondering why they didn't do more. Or maybe we go to the police about something but we don't have any documentation or other things needed to support us in our allegations to the police.

If you have a question, I will do my best to try and answer it for you. I can not speak about the exact laws in other states (I am in Illinois), however, I certainly can give you advice, possibly explain action or inaction on the police behalf, or tell you what would be a huge benefit to you if reporting something or getting documentation to assist you in obtaining an Order of Protection etc.
I can explain, generally, what will happen if you call the police to document certain things. Or how you can best COVER YOUR BUTT so as to not get yourself in legal trouble with the court/judge or police.

I am a SM to 2 SKs and a BM to 2 Biokids. I can understand and "appreciate" the trials and frustration with having to deal with a High-Conflict and Medically diagnosed mentally unstable BM. Much of what I suggest to citizens who come to my PD for advice is based off what I have dealt with personally in my life and what I've seen other go through

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SD was playing with her younger sister had a small bruise on her face. Told BM what happened she then took SD to doctors to get documentation. After being drilled by BM SD says 1st younger sister did it then says DH hit her. Doctors send police to question DH and determine there is no need to investigate further states he is just doing his job and the fact that DH informed BM that SD hurt herself really made it appear as if it were a kid just playing and got a bruise. The doctor report reads SD said sister and DH hit her. This was one year ago?

Now DH needs to go back to court with BM. We already know she will pull this up. How successful will she be at trying to prove or
Insinuate "abuse"?

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Assuming this was an isolated incident, I would not be overly worried. However, you are in good mindset to foresee that this may likely be brought up by BM.

I always say to COVER YOUR A- regarding everything. Your DH did well by informing BM immediately of the incident. When informing BM about stuff like this, do it by text or e-mail so there is a record of the date and time of notification.

A reasonable person, like the Judge will hopefully be, would know that kids play around and sometimes rough play or accidents while playing occur.

The fact that BM contacted the police and they did come and speak to you guys may actually work out in your favor!!! You will have documentation that an officer came and, after looking into the matter, deemed that there was no basis for further investigation. See if you still have the name of the officer/detective whom you spoke to and keep it handy incase you need it for court. Also go into the PD and request a copy of any report or documentation on that matter that was created (you may nee to provide info such as the general date of that time to help them to look it up). If the issues gets pressed about the allegation by BM and the judge allows her to run with it, you may be able to introduce the police incident report or record into court as evidence or call the officer who looked into the matter as witness in court.

I assume that there have been no further incidents such as this and that Child Services has not had any contact with your family. If this is the case, you should be fine in demonstrating to the court that this was an isolated incident that was a result of the children playing.

I don't know how old the girls are, but in instances of abuse allegations which are pursued, there are specially trained child interviewers who speak with the child and are trained to key in on things such as coached story lines. So my advice to you and DH would be to NOT mention anything to SD regarding the issue (explaining it to her, trying to tell your sides or remind her that it was the sister who did it etc) bc the interviewer will look into whom has spoken to SD about the incident.

Should anything happen in the future, document it, take pictures for yourselves if needed, and promptly notify BM by text or e-mail to cover your behind.

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Yes there were no police reports or CPS. The police told her that DH didn't do it and he wasn't looking into it further. The cop just asked how DH disciplines and DH said a pat on the butt but that hasn't happened in quit some time. Officer was okay with it and relayed that to BM. That hasn't happened again

Thank you for your help:)

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Yes there were no police reports or CPS. The police told her that DH didn't do it and he wasn't looking into it further. The cop just asked how DH disciplines and DH said a pat on the butt but that hasn't happened in quit some time. Officer was okay with it and relayed that to BM. That hasn't happened again

Thank you for your help:)

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I have personal experience of something similar, but not pursued by BM to that extent.

My BS and SS were playing around and the longer they goofed around, the playing aspect turned more aggressive. Both ended up with scratches and abrasions on their faces by the time I split them up.

DH and I took pictures of both the boys faces and they were grounded for the rest of the night. DH texted BM to explain they were play fighting and it got out of hand, both boys had scratches on their faces, and they were grounded as a result.

Nothing about this incident was ever mentioned again until a year later when DH and BM were in court for modifications to the CO. BM, making it out to be that DH was trying to take their kids away from her completely, brought up accusations that were way out of left field but also had never been accused or brought to DH's attention before by her.

One of those accusations in her petition was that my son (who is 3 years younger and a little over half the size of SS) is allowed and ENCOURAGED by DH and I to beat up on her son and that DH does nothing about this and allows it to happen.

Judge asked what she meant by the allegation and she brought up the ONE incident. Judge asks the boys ages and then looks at the pictures DH presents along with his print out of notifying BM of the incident.

Judge laughs, "You've got to be kidding me. With a clear conscience, you can claim this always happens and is a severe problem that is ongoing when you have only ONE example? With boys of that age playing together, be lucky this kind of thing only happened one time. I can't count how many times my brothers and I gave each other black eyes and goose eggs on our heads."

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Yes that is true, but (at least in IL) that is because the Court Order or the Joint Parenting Agreement which spells out visitation is a Civil Court document.

Many people call the police when the other parent, or even the kids, refuse to go see the other parent. Sometimes the police can speak with the other parent and kid and smooth things over enough so that the kid does go with the parent they should be going to at that time. HOWEVER, if they will not go the police are powerless to force them.

What happens then is that the matter will be documented, similar to that like a report of child visitation interference when the other parent will not let the kids go for visitation. Once that matter is documented, it is up to the parent to them pursue the matter in Family Court using the Police documented to support their allegations of child visitation problems. Normally I would suggest waiting until you have a couple of incidents of this matter documented and then going to court over it. Judges don't like to see parent going to court over one incident that is not serious to the point the matter being problematic for the childs welfare and well being. Plus then you have more incidents documented to help convince the court that the matter is a repeated problem and needs to be addressed.

Now to your question about what to do if your child won't go. Talk to them and explain to them that they should go but also try to find out why. If it is possible to have a civil conversation with the 3 of you (you, dad, and kid) then try that and see what the issues are if you can come to some agreement. Or perhaps you can schedule an appointment with a mediator to handle this so there is an independent party to assist.

If the child continually keeps refusing to go, you may need to try and go to court to attempt to change the visitation order. If this is the case that it is solely the child refusing to go, be open and honest about this with the other parent. Trying to hide things may make you look bad or look as though you are the reason for the child not wanting to go.

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After reading your blog post, I don't have any Law Enforcement related advice, however, I would suggest your SO take care of business ASAP. He can have a consultation with an attorney to get an idea of what their advice is and then attempt to handle the matter himself by filing paperwork through the court on his own.

I would suggest though that is BM is not 100% willing to sign and agree to everything, you should get a lawyer. My own DH screwed up big time in his CO previously by doing nothing when CO was not followed or agreed to stupid stuff that later turned around to bite him in the butt. He realized within the last year that is he had taken care of business immediately when he should have when certain things were happening, he would have FULL CUSTODY of his kids now and wouldn't be going through a lot of the crap he is dealing with in regards to BM.

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As for the whole CS cluster fiasco. It is good you are saving the money on the side in case something comes up in the future. I would actually create a separate bank account for that.

The only answers to that you can get are by calling the State Child Support office and asking them. I don't want to give you bad information on something I know nothing of.

As for the harassment issue....
In my state, it is best proven someone is in violation of harassment (unwanted calls, texts, emails, visits) when the victim (you/DH) specifically state to the person that you no longer wish to receive the calls, texts, emails, visits etc. Violations of such afterwards can be documented with the PD. After so many violations or continued violations, you may press charges for harassment. If you do this though, make sure you know and are willing to accept the outcome it may cause. Will things gets worse? Are there other after effects you are not thinking of? etc.

If you do pursue charges...make sure you actually pursue charges through to the end. You may have to take days off work for many continued court appearances or to go and obtain a protective order. But if you pursue charges and they get arrested and you later drop the charges....you may put yourself in a bad light should something happen later and you then want something to be done again.

Very often I find people at the time demand something be done and want so and so arrested and so on. After arresting the person and the court process beginning, for some reason they drop the case and all the work of the police and states attorney are wasted. Few months later, something happens and they again wants charges pressed....they then look like fools in the eyes of the court especially when this happens so many times; then press charges then drop them....then want to press charges for something else then drop them.

Now, if you are able to get an Order of Protection and the person violates that OOP, in my state they are then subject to arrest for that violation.

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My question is in regards to what my S/O and I can do in the event that BM decides to take a child out of school and move without permission. We recently got a CO stating that BM and BF have 50/50 legal and physical custody. We have his daughter every Wednesday and Thursday as well as every other Friday, Saturday, and Sunday. Shortly after we got a custody order, BM tells my boyfriend that she wants to move to a place that would make this schedule impossible. The custody order says that anything pretaining to schools and health care must be agreed upon before anything can change. Our court order also has a stipulation saying neither parent can move more then 20 miles with child without a court order, and that all moves must be submitted in writing to the other parent 30 days before move. The place she wants to move to is over 50 miles away. The BM has flat out told my boyfriend that he can not control where she lives, and neither can a court. (We all know the court can't dictate where she lives, but the court has a say on where the child will reside.) She is the CP according to paperwork. My boyfriend and I are worried that she may take SD out of school and move to the city of her choice without notice, and then claim that now that it is done we can't change it. Would the police be able to do anything about this since we have a court order, or would we have to file for contempt and wait for the courts to deal with it?

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Generally, the police would not be able to enforce anything if you immediately went to the them first about her moving.

I would suggest, in the event this happens, file an Immediate Emergency Petition with your court and request that it be expedited due to the nature of the contempt BM would be doing. You can also notify your local Police Department simply to put a record on file and document what happened.

The police, or county sheriff's department, would likely be able to take action if the Judge signed an order demanding BM to return the child and she did not comply within the specified time frame (example 24-48 hours etc). If she does not comply and ignores the Judge's written order, the Judge can issue a warrant for her arrest for Civil Contempt of Court. Any warrant can then be served by the police since it then becomes a criminal issue by her having a warrant for her arrest (even though the initial issue of her being in contempt of the civil order is not a criminal issue...if that makes sense)

Is it possible just to speak with an attorney beforehand to get ideas or a game plan set up ahead of time in case this situation should arise? This way, all your ducks are in a row and you're ready to go with filing and getting everything moving forward.

Any documentation you have of BM saying all these things would be great. Maybe you can sit down with the school and childs teacher privately to express the concerns so they can maybe be watching for suspicious activity by BM and give you a heads up. You may also need to use them for court purposes too.

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My Question:
DH has a restraining order against BM. It is also in the court order that BM is not to smoke marijuana within 24 hours of her visit with SS13 (which she has EOWe).

1) this weekend when we picked him up he smelled like marijuana
2) She constantly breaks the restraining order by texting him - when she's mad, when she wants to speak to SS (she has a court ordered call twice a week, but instead of calling, she texts DH and asks where SS is).

What can we do about each of the items?

We've filed two police reports recently for her breaking the order, but as far as we know, nothing comes of it, though the last time we filed, she went silent for a while.

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In the restraining order, does it state that she is prohibited from any and all forms of communication with DH including texting, e-mailing, etc?

I would wonder if it went to court, if she would try a loop hole (if there was one) saying she was texting DH in regards to SS and so she knew if he was home so she could call him.

If she is in violation of breaking the order by texting him, I would report it to the police and ask them if criminal charges for violation of the retraining order can be pursued based on the order or if it a civil matter which you would have to go to court on by yourselves with the copies of the police reports and evidence to show the Judge she is in violation.

As for the smelling of marijuana when you pick him up, next time have an officer respond simply to document that SS smells of marijuana. The police likely won't be able to do anything bc I'm sure BM will not allow them inside her home and by the time they arrive, there will be nothing to show that the child was put in imminent danger by BM. But the police can document this for you so that you can then go into court and show there is evident to support probable cause that BM is in violation of the order. You may want to ask your attorney if this should be reported to DCFS or Child Services as well.

How old is SS? What I'm about to say next just comes from me being a nosy mom, but I would want to go buy those at home drug tests and just see what the results are. If he is being subjected to an excessive amount of the second hand smoke from marijuana, it could get into his system. For drug testing purposes, Marijuana tends to stays in the body system longer than other drugs because it is fat soluble (basically attaches to the fat cells in our body which makes it take longer to be process out of the body). Or, if you want to, you guys can take him for a "Check-up" at the Dr and ask them to collect a urine sample for a drug test based on your suspicions. If you do it this way, it will be medically documented as well.

I would run this all past an attorney before doing so as well. I wouldn't want you guys to get yourself in a trick bag for example, if the drug test comes back positive and then the Dr's office has to notify Child Services and CPS comes after you initially bc I'm assuming DH is the custodial parent.

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The crest raining order specifically states that bm must not contact or have others contact dh including electronic communication "except regarding court ordered visitation"

One of the last reports whe filed noted that ss13 smelled like marijuana. We typically file all reports thru the online system

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In my experience having a solid relationship and reputation with local law enforcement is great leverage when dealing with a toxic blended family opposition.

It does not hurt when your DW's BFF is the daughter ff the chief of police/sheriff. Her dad ran for sheriff after he retired from the PD and served 2 terms. He particularly detests my SS's Sperm Idiot. The Sperm Idiot used to date the BFF before he got my DW pregnant. Both the girls were 15/16 at the time. DipShitIot was 23/24. The only thing that kept the Sperm Idiot out of prison for statutory rape was that my ILs misguidedly chose not to press charges and my DW’s BFF refused to testify that she and the Sperm Idiot had been intimate.

The Sperm Idiot has a poor reputation with local law enforcement in Sperm Land including multiple arrests and a reputation as a gang banger wannabe.

There is nothing quite like having law enforcement collect a kid from a Sperm Clan church service, family reunion, dinner at a restaurant and while playing in the Sperm Grandparents front yard with all of the neighbors out and about whenever Sperm Grandma played games with getting the Skid on the plane to return home from Sperm Land visitation. Law enforcement was a critical element of my campaign to destroy the Sperm Clan legally, financially and socially in response to their toxic bullshit.

A half a dozen officers attended the custody hearing when the Sperm Idiot, funded by Sperm Grandma, tried to take custody of SS form my bride. Watching the Sperm Idiot squirm down in his seat when his ass was being bared to the court by law enforcement officers was classic. Needless to say his attempt to gain custody of SS then 2yo failed miserably. For us things just improved from there. DW went on to finish a dual major BS with honors, an MBA with honors and a successful career as a CPA. The Sperm Idiot went on to spawn 3 more out of wedlock children by 2 more baby mamas (one under age) and continued to have run ins with law enforcement.

Any time the Sperm Idiot had interface with law enforcement we would get a tip and we would request a copy of his latest arrest/charges. One of the most classic incidents we were notified of was dash cam footage of his running from the constable when notification of the last CS review hearing was being served. Airing that footage for the Judge helped get CS increased by ~700%.

The unfortunate side of the destruction of the Sperm Clan is that my SS’s younger three also out of wedlock Sperm Idiot spawned half sibs by 2 more baby mamas (one under age) are tarnished by their unfortunate membership in the shallow and polluted gene pool. My SS and #2 are good kids and have no issues even in Sperm Land. #3 and #4 are repeating their Sperm Idiot’s gang banger wannabe status and any time SS is out with the Sperm Idiot or spawn #3 or #4 invariably a police car will slowly cruise by giving them all the hairy eyeball. My SS and #2 hate that crap and never let the Sperm Idiot or Sperm Grandma forget how embarrassed they are by the Sperm Clan’s toxic reputation in the community. #2 detests the Sperm Idiot and though we raised our son to love his family he has no respect for his Sperm Clan.

So, to keep local law enforcement as an effective tool in countering a toxic blended family opposition keep your shit clean and foster a good relationship and reputation with the officers in blue or brown.

At least that worked well for us.