Why Men Don't Listen to their Wives
I stumbled on this article that I wanted to share. We ladies here tend to repeat the same words about our husbands not listening and being passive:
The Seven Reasons Men Don't Listen
1.It's a Power Struggle. Some men view intimate relationships as a win-lose game. If the woman is venting her feelings, then she is winning and the man is losing. As a result these men may try to dominate and control the woman, telling her that she is illogical, out of control or just a pain to deal with. One man says, "You want us to be doormats."
2.Sarcasm
Many men describe their interactions in terms of "sarcastic" comments -- put-downs, contempt, criticism and condescension. For example, some men respond with, "It must be that time of the month" or "Get me a beer" or other problematic and self-defeating comments. They think that sarcasm will get the woman to either shut up or help her see that she is being ridiculous. She gets the message that he not only doesn't care -- but that he is the last person to ask for support. He thinks he's clever and funny -- and she thinks he just doesn't get it.
3.Macho Thinking
A number of men comment that to validate or to use emotional language to support the woman is unmanly. "You are trying to make us into wusses," a number of men say. They believe that the role of the man is to be strong, above it, domineering. Validating and allowing emotional ventilation is for feminized men, men who have lost their dignity as "real men." The women may think that some of the macho confidence is appealing, until it leads them to feel that the only emotion they can get from him is his anger.
4.Emotional Dysregulation
Some men find it so upsetting, so emotionally arousing to listen to their partners that they feel they have to ventilate their anger or withdraw. In fact, this is supported by the research that shows that their pulse-rates escalate during conflict and they find this unbearable. As a result of their own escalating emotion -- which they can't tolerate -- they either try to get her to shut up -- or they leave the room. She feels controlled, marginalized and abandoned.
5.Not Wanting to Reinforce Whining
This is another reason that men give for not supporting or encouraging expression. They believe that validating and making time and space for their partner's expression will reinforce complaining which, in turn, will go on indefinitely. So they want to stop it immediately by using sarcasm, control or stonewalling. She feels that he won't let her talk, that he is cold, aloof, hostile. So she goes somewhere else to get that support -- another woman friend -- or another man.
6.Demand for Rationality
Some men believe that their partner should always be rational and that irrationality cannot be tolerated. Their response to their partner's apparent irrationality is to point out every error in her thinking, dismiss her, become sarcastic or withdraw. This demand for rationality or "the facts" might sound "mature" but I have yet to hear someone say that they have a great sex life because they have the facts on their side. Communication is often more about soothing, grooming, connecting -- less about simply giving you the information and being logical.
7.Problems Have to Be Solved
These men think that the main reason for communication is to share facts that then can be used for problem-solving. They think that venting and sharing feelings gets you nowhere and that if their partner is not willing to initiate problem-solving then she is being self-indulgent and wasting everyone's time and energy. When he jumps in with problem-solving, she either escalates the emotion which she believes is not heard, or she withdraws.
Do I ever hear you on that
Do I ever hear you on that one!
Mine used to just walk away
Mine used to just walk away like I wasn't talking at all. I could easily see him going to the fridg for a beer. I sent the article to my husband and at least he did see himself in it. Your wife is lucky if you aren't the typical guy from that article.
I found this online offering
I found this online offering a slight twist:
Men Have Emotions, But Women Don’t Listen
“Men aren’t good at expressing emotions.” “Men only talk about sports.” “Men need to be more sensitive.” “Men are all jerks.” We’ve all heard these platitudes and they’re grade-A nonsense.
There’s an ever rising population of aggro men in this country and women have no one to blame but themselves. Men are hurt, angry and confused- even if they don’t know why- and with good reason.
1) Men have emotions. Women need only adjust how they listen. Men express plenty of feelings; they just do it differently than women and there’s nothing wrong with that.
You know how Eskimos supposedly have 4 dozen words for snow? It’s the same thing for women and feelings. They have over 4 dozen ways to describe happy, angry, sad–4 dozen reasons why they’re mad at their co-worker today.
When a woman says, “men need to be more sensitive and in touch with their emotions,” I hear, “men need to be more like women.” Bad idea. If women want to be with men who can talk about their feelings and daily minutia just like their best girlfriend, then why don’t they just get together with their girlfriend?
2) Men are more solution-focused while women are process-focused. There have been numerous studies (of questionable methodology) asserting that women use more words than men per day. Recent research finds such assertions are unfounded. Men and women actually use about the same number of words a day. It’s not a matter of women being more verbal; generally speaking, we’re equally verbal.
Here’s the difference: women use words to process their feelings, often wallowing in emotions without reaching resolution. Men state their feelings and use words to achieve resolution. As a collective, women have told men that not talking about feelings as much as they do makes them inadequate. For the record, a glut of feelings without resolution is meaningless.
Society doesn’t tell women, “Hey, instead of blathering about your feelings and problems all day, why don’t you get off your ass and do something about them.” I don’t walk around saying, “I don’t know how to fix my car,” like I’m an abnormal defective. Yet, I’ve heard countless men parrot, “I’m not good at talking about my feelings” in a tone that sounds like they’ve been beaten into submission. Women say this to the men they supposedly love without batting an eyelash and men just swallow it. Can you imagine the female outrage if men did the same thing to women by saying, “You’re not good at being rational.”
How It Happened
Thirty years ago, Psychology became “feminized.” Women entered the field in droves in the late 1970s. Now, women greatly outnumber male mental health professionals, and let’s face it, the men who enter the field may as well have a uterus, that’s how estrogen-ized the field has become.
Thus began the “men need to be more sensitive and get in touch with their feelings” re-education movement. Female mental health “experts” surfaced in the proliferation of daytime talk shows and male characters cried openly on television shows like 30something to get in touch with their “sensitive side.”
The Lie and the Truth
In this confluence of events, men tried to become the sensitive guy modern women claimed to want, but did they? In reality, most women don’t want men who cry when they watch “Beaches.” In fact, most women don’t want to be with men who would willingly watch Beaches or a Lifetime network movie.
They don’t want men to be unfeeling robots, but want them to be men–strong and reliable, yet capable of tenderness. The result? American men, once stalwart bull mastiffs, turned into angry confused Pekingese drowning in a sea of mixed signals unleashed by women.
I sympathize with men. As a group, they were put into a no-win situation by women who didn’t understand their changing roles or what they wanted.
Accept and embrace the differences. Why swim upstream? It’s a lot easier to appreciate and desire men in all their glories and faults, then to try to make them become “like us.” It makes relationships easier. It makes life easier. It makes it easier to forgive and to love.
by Dr Tara J. Palmatier, PsyD
HAHAHA - LOVE it!
HAHAHA - LOVE it!
LOL! That's a keeper!!
LOL! That's a keeper!!
Graham, I COMPLETELY
Graham, I COMPLETELY agree!!!
"I sympathize with men. As a group, they were put into a no-win situation by women who didn’t understand their changing roles or what they wanted.
Accept and embrace the differences. Why swim upstream? It’s a lot easier to appreciate and desire men in all their glories and faults, then to try to make them become “like us.” It makes relationships easier. It makes life easier. It makes it easier to forgive and to love."
YES YES YES-from expectations daughters have of dads, to demand and entitlement of how their weddings should be-husbands should pay for her to stay at home, how much more men spend on V-day then women-we are NOT above men-our "emotional" thinking isn't ABOVE men-it's different. I HAVE seen us try to feminize men in America and the results are disastrous -everyone, families, all dysfunctional and messed up.
Let men be men, women be women-and quit trying to force the other gender to match our own...Otherwise for crying out loud get a lesbian lover ---Im' with you on this!
Very interesting post and I
Very interesting post and I love that both men and women are responding to it.
My husband and I couldn't be farther apart. Sex is good (thank God!) but emotional closeness is not. The only reason sex is still good is because I read Cosmo (lol) and know that if that goes, all is lost.
BUT....do I feel my needs are being met? No....I don't.
Many times I try to approach my husband in a non-threatening way to connect, feel like we're on the same team and feel loved. I NEED to feel this to be the the kind of woman HE needs. He always looks like a deer caught in headlights and either responds defensively or runs to his man-cave and we don't speak for days.
So....if we're this different, how do we make it work?
Inquiring minds REALLY need to know...
Alison, your words are mine
Alison, your words are mine exactly, and you are very right that once the sex goes the relationship is pretty much over. I'm 48, husband is 50, and I have been the inititator, the ideas person, the one seeking love form him and I finally after 22 years got tired of it and stopped seeking him and I think it's because I'm already part way out the door.
Ohhh...Poems! Here's one that
Ohhh...Poems!
Here's one that is a little more mature and indicative of a true man's emotions when in love:
When I Fall In Love
by Melvin Lee
When I fall in love,
I want to be
with her
always;
In happiness,
to smile with her,
and be the one
to hug her near.
In sadness,
to cry with her,
and be the one
to dry her tears.
When I fall in love,
I will spend my
every waking
and sleeping
moments
with her
and catch each
moment in its
eternally
lovely
form.
When I fall in love,
I will miss her
the very moment
I say 'goodbye'
and my heart
will yearn for
the very moment
I say ?hello'.
When I fall in love,
all my old hurts
and pains
will seem
lost and
faded
away
and I will be
strong and
brave
once
again.
When I fall in love,
I want you
to be happy
always, ever
and feel like
the happiest
person
of them
all . . .
Because that's
what I will feel,
when I fall in love,
with you.
Thanks for the vote of
Thanks for the vote of confidence
One comment on the sex issue
One comment on the sex issue and I truly do believe this to be true;
Men NEED sex to feel close to/in love with their partner and women NEED closeness/physical and verbal affection to DESIRE sex with their partner. When a woman doesn't feel this intimacy, she feels justified in refusing sex BUT....when a man doesn't bond sexually, he doesn't feel that closeness (in love). It's not personal; it's actually scientific (just the way women/men are made).
It becomes a vicious circle. Understanding these basic needs and meeting them (regardless of how you're feeling at that moment) is actually a step towards getting what you need/want in your relationship. The problem is....who takes the first step? We can all be so stubborn! lol
Men; this means that if you want sex you should start early. A kiss, an 'I love you' spontaneously, a kind gesture, a compliment and/or words of appreciation will get you a great night of sex!
Women; this means that if you're feeling distant from your man, it's very important to initiate sex to feel that closeness again. Even if it seems like an effort to start, you'll be happy with the end result because you will feel close afterwards.
I learned this long ago and so I never withhold sex. If I'm REALLY upset with him, I might start without him (Did I say that??...lol) and then he can't resist joining in and it all works itself out...lol.
Also a comment in regards to #7 by Old Dart...
I don't think all women are like this? Or maybe it's because I've run a company for so long now but....
I am a woman but I'm a problem-solver. It drives me crazy when my husband goes on and on about a problem but never fixes it!
Example; he quit his job a few years ago because he wanted to work in my company. All I've heard for these few years is how he doesn't like this job or that job within the company. I've tried sitting down with him to say okay; it's a big company with a lot of different areas of law so which one do you like? He'll pick an area but then still complain. I've even made him a resume so he can find something he likes but he has yet to apply (it's been a year or more). This drives me crazy as I love what I do and I find his attitude has a negative impact on the company/staff.
I prefer a more logical approach. Do I sometimes need to talk about how I'm feeling? Yes, of course, I do. Everyone does.
I did learn a technique through the course of dealing with employees/colleagues that works very well with your spouse and even your children to teach them to solve their own problems.
Listen to what they have to say but say NOTHING. Nod your head, show facial expression of sympathy and throw in a "Hmmm", "Oh no! Really?" here and there. RESIST the urge to solve the problem even if you feel there's an obvious solution!
And then when they appear to wind down (might feel long but it's only on average 3-5 minutes; much less than if you had had jumped in to stop the dialogue, say only these words "Wow, that's a real problem. You sound really angry/scared/sad. Don't worry if you get the emotion wrong. They will correct you and this usually initiates them saying "I should do this...or that" (problem solving on their own). Again, RESIST the urge to correct or offer up your own solution. Just listen, nod.
If they don't start their own dialogue of problem solving you can say "Have you figured out yet how you're going to handle it?" One more pause as you listen for their response then "Is there anything I can do to help?"
You will be AMAZED at how well this works! You won't have to listen FOREVER because the person feels that their feelings have been recognized and they feel justified in being heard. And by your response, you've got them thinking about a solution on their own. You'll find that you'll talk about emotions less and less and have more positive conversations.
It seems so simple yet it really works.
I agree with alot said here,
I agree with alot said here, however my thoughts are that a man seeking reassurance from their partner thru sex is the same as the very young or insure ladies who do the same. Sex is sex, in many cases has nothing to do with love (however can be shared specially with those who we are in love with).
I didn't deny my first husband either as he threatened me if I did. Threats of finding someone else so I learned quickly to go along even if it wasn't what I wanted. In the end (7 years) he had an affair anyway and I leanred he was messing around all the time we were married.
Things look a little different sometimes when you near 50 and have endured what a 20+ year marriage can hand you sometimes.
" however my thoughts are
" however my thoughts are that a man seeking reassurance from their partner thru sex is the same as the very young or insure ladies who do the same"
I disagree with this...because often times even mature women also feel the need for sex to stay connected-but I found it true for for the majority of men-mature and young alike...it's part of their make-up and who they are-they aren't like us.
A cheating experience doesn't negate the science behind this.
OverIt, all of this kind of
OverIt, all of this kind of detracts from the topic. My comment about my first husbasnd's affiar was in connection to Alison's thought that women should follow thru with their partner's desires eventhough they may be resistant. There's lots of different situations and to say this is the answer I think does not apply well. Yes, even older women can look to sex as security. However, of my friends and other women I know, this is not nearly as likely in our 50's as it is in our 20's. Every's lessons in life are different.
I do hope we can get back to the original subject.