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butterfly39's picture

Hi everyone-

I'm a widow (married 15 years) in my late 30s with 2 kids, daughter age 8 and son age 12. I have a good job, a comfortable home and am self-sufficient. My children have handled the death of their father as well as anyone would, and they are well behaved kids both at home and at school. They miss their father but have been supportive of my dating.

I was lonely and started dating less than a year after my husband's death. My boyfriend (divorced around the same time I was widowed, after almost 20 years of marriage) of over a year is AMAZING. I love him and have no doubt that we are a perfect match. He is great with my kids, they like him a lot, and he is a positive role model. He comes to church with me and supports them at their activities. I'm so grateful to have found him, and we are talking about getting engaged and moving in together. We generally have an amazing time together and with our kids.

He has full custody of his children, girl age 18 and boy age 14. We get along, but they have some issues, including lying and manipulating. There is also a question of theft (money missing from wallets). They are lacking in general manners and cleanliness as a result of their poor relationship with their mother and overall family history. I have an obligation to my children to raise them in the best environment possible. I am unsure what that is at this point in time.

I am VERY concerned about what a household with 4 children will look like, and how his children might influence mine. He has agreed to come see my therapist with me and iron-out a plan for co-parenting so we can have a strong, united front before we move in together.

Do any of you have advice to offer? We aren't taking this lightly.Sometimes I wonder if my brain has already played out the worst-case scenario before we even cohabitate. I'm so afraid of making a mistake that will affect my children negatively, but I feel like I might miss out on a wonderful opportunity because I'm scared.

I appreciate any comments you can offer.

Jsmom's picture

My advice for what it is worth is to wait until they are all out of the house. I am a widow as well. Self sufficient and a kid that I adored who was thriving. Married 6 years with my now husband and dated for 3 years before that. I didn't rush into it.
But, if I had to do it all over again, I would live in separate houses. Things are great now, but one child sued us and the other one was so neglected by his mother, grades and just social skills are still a struggle.

Do what makes you happy, but know your children need to come first. Mine has, but with some resentment for how this household was after the wedding. All hell broke loose and both my SS17 and BS21 still resent it. As for my SD19, not a part of our lives anymore. They have zero relationship with my SD and hate is a mild word for what they feel. Writing was on the wall, and I warned my husband when we were dating, but the issues he felt was just a high energy child. There are a lot of things he would do differently if he could. But, unfortunately too late and she is who she is. He sees her occasionally now when she is home for college. We are lucky in that she is not costing us anything.

If I could do it all again, I would continue dating and live in separate houses. Maybe then, it all wouldn't have blown up in our faces....I never foresaw what happened.

butterfly39's picture

Thank you for sharing. I'm trying to engage both my heart AND my brain in this decision.

Icansorelate's picture

Don't move in with him. Keep dating him if you want, but your kids deserve a soft place to land and peace in their home. A 18 year old failure a 14 year old boy who has yet to really hit the tough teenage years and a guilty daddy add up to anything but peace.

A year to be dating is very short. Give it a couple of years, let his kids move out, then maybe consider it.

notasm3's picture

Keep dating but do not marry or live together yet. NEVER marry a person who has a "failure to launch" adult child at home. There is no way to have a happy ending.

A person with an adult dependent child at home is probably worse than a man who has a mistress on the side. A parent with an adult child will defend and enable that child - where as the cheater has to at least pretend that you are more important.

When you marry a person the marriage should be your first priority. That would be a terrible mistake with this man and would deprive your children of a decent life.

furkidsforme's picture

At only a year of dating you two barely even know each other. What's the huge rush? I dated my DH for 6 years before we married, and often I feel like maybe we rushed into it. 10 years later we are STILL learning who each other are. You need to slow your roll.

Aeron's picture

The best environment is a clean, honest, as stress free as possible home. The boys are very close in age and it is entirely possible your son will try to imitate his son in an effort to be cool and accepted. The lack of consequences (you said he's very lenient) may give your kids the wrong idea and the wrong direction.

What you see as "issues" now living in separate households are probably going to feel a whole lot worse, more stressful and more like energy draining craziness when/if you are living with it full time. It is a Very different thing to see messiness, constant manipulation attempts and thievery when it involves your things or that of your children. Blending is very difficult and there are 3 teenagers (almost) at least one you anticipate to be a failure to launch that will make things so interesting with hormones, the desire for things to be fair and normal sibling squabbles.

It's great that you want to have both of you on the same page for co-parenting, but even that can get difficult. If the same page is very far off from what he's been doing so far, his kids will likely resent you for making the status quo change.

I'd personally recommend waiting at least until he gets his kids launched and independent before you move in with him but I agree all the kids should be put before you do this. The difference in parenting styles, levels of guilt, the ages of the kids and their behavior suggests that blending will be stressful and complicated.

You say it's "over a year" so I'm guessing it's less than 2. That means your kids have gone through a major life event of losing their dad within the last 2 to 3 years. That's huge. Going through another with moving in, the the actually process of blending and possibly another if it doesn't work out.... it's a big risk. For me it would be too much of a risk, but you have to decide that for yourself.

furkidsforme's picture

At only a year of dating you two barely even know each other. What's the huge rush? I dated my DH for 6 years before we married, and often I feel like maybe we rushed into it. 10 years later we are STILL learning who each other are. You need to slow your roll.

notsobad's picture

As everyone else here has said, wait.

Do the counselling and see if he does any of the things he says he will. When people are dating they are bringing their best persona to the table. They are agreeable and willing to say or do a lot of things that they won't say/do once they live together.

See if his 18 year old launches or if he enables her. See if he makes them clean up their space. What is he doing about the missing money?

People don't generally change when they get married or live together. If you don't like his parenting now, you most definitely won't like it when you live with it. The biggest thing for you to understand that if he doesn't change before you move in together, he never will.

Indigo's picture

I'd consider waiting, go to counseling and keep this thread in the back of your mind. Your children are so young that I would be doubly cautious. I suggest keeping separate households for the next year of two. Don't rush.

butterfly39's picture

Thanks for the honest comment. I AM playing the blame game, and I didn't even realize it. Their mom's emotional and physical abuse due to an anger issue does make it easy for me to do so, but that doesn't make it right. I am in love, but I don't think I'm blinded, at least not now. That's why I'm asking for advice.

I am definitely listening, I think it might "be that way", and that's why I asked for feedback. Your response may have been the most helpful and eye-opening.

And if we do this, down the road, it will be a new home for all of us.

Thanks again!

LikeMinded's picture

If I knew what I know now I would have never moved in.

My hairdresser and her boyfriend are waiting until their kids are grown to move in together . She has all of the benefits of a fun relationship and none of the step kid work or drama, non if the birth parent crap and none of the in law crap. Her kid can grow in peace. Much smarter decision, imo. They've been going on strong for 5 years.

Rags's picture

Do you really want to partner with a man who will help raise your children and has produced the near adult aged children you describe?

You bit on the first fish you engaged with in the pond. Give yourself more time. Set your personal value much higher and the value of the quality of character in a partner that you will espose your children to even higher.

I get that you are lonely, that you lost your mate, and that you think you need a partner. You don't need a partner. You want a partner.

Two very different things.

Take care of you, and take care of your kids.

The partner thing will work itself out if you value yourself and your kids appropriately and hold any suitors to that standard. Don't accept a partner who has spawned and raised children to near adulthood who are "lying and manipulating. There is also a question of theft (money missing from wallets). They are lacking in general manners and cleanliness as a result of their poor relationship with their mother and overall family history". Their father is arguably the biggest influence on them and they turned out like they are.

That is not the partner you should be selecting to be your equity life partner and to help raise your children. Even after his children launch he is still the primary parent that raised them to be the less than desirable people that they are. If you cannot be more selective then forego dating until your children launch.

IMHO of course.

8590's picture

I agree with Rags. "Take care of you, and take care of your kids."

Nothing and no one is more important than YOU and YOUR CHILDREN.

butterfly39's picture

I can't thank everyone enough for their honest opinions. I value each and every one of them. I wasn't sure what to expect, but as I don't have any friends with blended families I figured this might be a great place to start.

I do, indeed, spend every weekend with this man and his kids. They live an hour away (other side of metro area) and come to my home every weekend and stay both nights.

I did not mean to sound as thought my BF has no fault in the rearing of his children. He is way too lenient with them. Their mother was physically and emotionally abusive to them. CPS was involved and the daughter, in particular, was told that she was unwanted and unloved her entire life. This is why he was granted full custody. His greatest mistake was staying too long, but his current behavior is enabling her to continue to make poor choices and I recognize that.

To answer the question regarding "What's the Hurry?", his son will start high school next year and it is in his best interest to start school and stay at the same school for the next 4 years. In order to move in together (in a house new to both families)my BF will take on a 45 minute commute in an major Metro area. My plan was to lease my house for a year so I still have it things don't work out. We've been over this a lot, and he assures me that if I decide to wait to live together then we can take things slow, and still keep dating as we are.

I know that I don't need a partner. I have been solo-parenting for 2 years. But I do WANT one, and this one in particular. But the more I think about it, I am being selfish to consider changing my child's environment because of my WANTS.

You have all given me much to think about, and when I consider staying in my own home I breathe a huge sigh of relief. That alone means it is probably the right thing for me to do. Thanks for taking the time to help me.