Help needed! SS18 and car insurance how to protect myself
DH has been pushing hard for SS18 aka Demon spawn to get his drivers license. I personally think SS18 should get a J.O.B first(we live in walking distance to Walmart,burger king, target) so SS18 can PAY for gas his share of the CAR INSURANCE ect. SS18 has NO interest in getting either. That's a whole nothing story.
Now in our state as soon as SS18 gets his license our car insurance will increase regardless if SS18 gets his own car or not. Now if "daddy dearest" wants to pay 100 percent for SS18 car insurance that's on him. I DO NOT want to pay a dime towards SS18 share of insurance. Both DH and I are on the same car insurance plan along with our house insurance. Here is my question...How can I make sure when SS18 gets his permit then license I don't end up paying MORE because of SS18? How do you guys recommend I do this? Yes I can get my own insurance BUT I won't get this discount of having DH and the house bundled together. Help!
Calculate the cost now (save
Calculate the cost now (save a bill for proof) and whenever he gets insurance show your DH the difference and tell him that's how much extra he needs to pay to cover SS.
I don't think there is any
I don't think there is any way but to get your own policy. Considering worst case scenario, any discount you get now won't matter if SS kills someone. Not sure what state you are in but the best thing to do is talk to your insurance agent. They've heard it all and they are the best qualified to answer your question.
My youngest is starting drivers training tomorrow. We now drive cheap used cars just to keep our insurance affordable. This is a touchy subject in Step world. IMO the most important thing for a step parent is to protect themselves from semen demons like yours. This is a hill to die on.
Own insurance
Will your still increase if SS gets his own insurance for his own car? Our agent recommended titling the car in son's name and getting his own insurance.
Note: because he was 18 our insurance company would not insure him on his own. He ended up getting the insurance through the state risk pool. It was more expensive for him than being on our policy, but our cost did not rise (son paid).
Why?
Why does he have to go on your insurance? He's 18. If he gets a car, it's in his name and he gets a separate policy. That's how I handled this issue with my bio kids. When they turned 18, the car titles were transferred to their names with their own policy. Of course, both my kids worked even while in college. And we did help them. But by doing it this way, we had zero liability for any "kid car" issues.
Yes, his rates will be higher, but worth the price to be free of liability with the car.
In my state, if we added a
In my state, if we added a stepchild to our policy by adding a car to our policy... then the rates for "all" our cars would go up. Their logic was theoretically all drivers in that household have access to that car.
What ended up happening is that SD was actually living with her grandparents at the time.. so my DH got a policy for her and him at the grandparent's house on that one car.. vs adding hers to ours at our address. different company too. She was shy of 18 when that happened.. at 18 she transitioned to a policy without dad on it.
I'm curious though... your SS is 18.. what do other 18 year old's do regarding ins in your state? Are they not legally able to get a policy in their own name? Or.. is it that your DH wants to give access to your vehicles?.. and just add his son to the policy as a driver.?
If he is added to your policy as a licensed driver.. I'm guessing the assumption is that he "could" drive any car you have on that policy.
The way to potentially fix this is that at 18.. he has his own car and policy separate.. as an adult.. and is not "added" to your personal policy.
This might be easiest done via one of those companies like geico or progressive.... Ideally, if he is driving, he will have his own vehicle.. vs be borrowing and potentially wrecking your and your husband's.
The reason why the cost jumps.. is a newly minted driver has access to any and all the cars in your home.. and that increases risk of an accident.
Personally.. the best way is to have the kid have a car in HIS NAME ONLY.. and an insurance policy in HIS NAME ONLY.. that limits liability if he is not driving your cars under your policy..
if it comes to the point where your DH insists he is added to your policy.. simply calc the difference and make your SS or DH pay that.
I agree with your basic premise that an 18 yo SS needs that job first and should have a desire to drive.. I mean.. what is his plan for "life?"
Step demon “plan” is….
Live off DH AKA "guilty divorce daddy" for as long as he can doing as little as possible. Another story.
I totally agree with SS18 getting his OWN insurance BUT since DH will be paying it DH is going to want it as cheap as possible meaning putting SS18 on our policy since we get a discount for bundling multiple cars and home. No way will SS18 be driving my car. DH18 KNOWS this so this is definitely not the reason DH wants to add SS18 to our policy. Legally in our state SS18 can get his own insurance since he is 18.
I fully disagree with SS18 even getting his license when he's not even looking for a job. Just another expense SS18 won't be paying for. SS18 has been a spoiled entitled brat ALL his life. Over 13 years I've been telling DH this and DH refuses to listen so I've given up and disengaged. Now I just need suggestions on what I can do to prevent ME from paying extra for lazy SS18
I'm going to add that the
I'm going to add that the insurance premium is not the big issue you need to worry about. If you or your husband own a vehicle that your SS drives and he causes some huge accident.. kills someone.. causes damage that exceeds policy limits.. one or both of you could be on the hook for that bill.
For that reason, I advocate putting car soley in SS's name and insurance in his name only.. to limit the blow back liability on your household.
Thank you for this information….
I'm also looking for reasons to back NOT having SS18 on our policy to show DH. This is a great reason.
Liability
Exactly what ESMOD says. Your useless SS can get behindt the wheel of that car and kill someone. Guess what? On your policy, you and your DH will also be held accountable with any lawsuits. This is exactly why, the minute my bio kids hit 18, titles were transferred to their names and insurance in their names. And I had responsible, accountable, working teens. Let your DH know that you both could loose everything if that lazy man-child causes a serious accident. SMH
Please talk to your insurance company...
... or you may be in for a nasty surprise.
Depending on where you live and what type of policy you have, maintaining a policy separate from your SS may not be enough. Most insurance companies take all licensed drivers within your household into consideration when they set your rates, even if those other folks aren't covered by your policy. In other words, if SS gets a license, your rates may go up even if you have a separate policy and do not allow him to touch your car.
If you have a separate policy and can show that your SS has his own vehicle (with his name on the title) and is covered by a policy that meets your state's minimum requirements, you MAY be able to get the extra cost removed from your policy. If you do that, and your SS later "borrows" your car and gets into an accident, you will likely have to eat the entire cost of any damages, including civil judgements.
Your best bet is to talk to your insurance company/agent before SS gets his license. This is a common situation and you have options. Get everything arranged to your best advantage before the DMV gives SS his license. Otherwise he could end up costing you a bundle.
Something everyone should know but almost no one does: All insurance companies do regular checks with the DMV for the status of all licenses matched to a policy holder's address. If you have someone in your household who becomes newly licensed, gets a DUI, has their license restricted, suspended, or revoked, or who has any other negatives added to their driving record, your company will find out. The company can then potentially raise your rates, change the terms of your policy, or cancel it entirely, even if the person in question isn't covered by your policy. This applies to everyone who lists your residence as their address with the DMV, including that friend who lived in your basement for a few months ten years ago and never bothered to update things when he finally moved out.
He joins the military and you
He joins the military and you go empty nester status. He can license, insure, and provide for himself.
That is what we did with ours when he turned 18. We did not facilitate his DL until he was 18 and had commited to the delayed entry program in the military. A few months before he left for basic training we bought him a brand new car and abandoned him at my parents to get his DL. His brand new car sat in their driveway until he finished driving school, he went through my dad's driving bootcamp, and he got his license. After about a month he arrived in our driveway.
Make it easy on yourselves. This is an 18yo not a young child. He can figure out how to get a license, a car, and insure it for himself.
I do not put up with insurance companies extorting money out of me for coverage that i did not initiate. They can F-off. I have instantly fired insurance companies and demanded the refund of the premiums for remaining annual coverage for that crap. Most recently, we sold a home. Someone tried to steal title of the home by initiating credit card applications from our address. As soon as those actions were initiated our auto insurance immediately added this random POS to our policy and upped our premium. I went ape-shit on their idiot asses. The actual insurance company was a PITA about it, so I called out insurnace agent's office and spoke with the admin we had been interfacing with for the better part of 20yrs. I explained the situation. Her exact response was "Oh hell no!" and then she told me she would call me back. My phone rang in about 10mins with her call back. Before that call ended the insurance company had texted me informing me that the scam artist had been removed, my premium had been adjusted accordingly and included an appology. I had told them the next conversation would be with my attorney and that I was already filing a complaint with the the State department of insurance. I held an all lines insurance adjuster license for two decades and my complaint included my license number. I do not mess with bullshit like this other than to lay waste to it.
It is none of the insurance company's business who is in your home or why they are in your home. They can make up bullshit all day long about everyone in the home having access to the vehicles, etc... So F'n what? It is still not the insurance company's business who you insure or do not insure on your auto policy. If an uninsured driver "steals" your car you are covered under the comprehensive coverage element of your insurnace. Of course the "thief" will face charges and is liable for any damage their actions cause. Which isn't your problem. Just never give give permission for an uninsured driver to use your vehicles.
IMHO of course.
Good luck with this.
That's because you were the victim of a crime
Your insurance company jumped because you were the victim of identify theft. That person didn't really live with you, have access to your vehicles, and could never file a claim against your insurance policy. It was a criminal committing a crime and your insurance agent recognized that her company would be trying to change your contract based on fraud. She could have made you jump through hoops to prove that, but the situation was obvious, you had a long relationship, and it was a simple fix.
The situation where someone lives in your home as a member of your household is an entirely different situation, legally speaking. That person presents a potential liability to the insurance company, as so they write language into their policies making it clear that it is their business. They also include language that says what they can do when circumstances change. You can get angry, you can raise whatever ruckus you want about privacy and whatnot, and you can tell anyone who answers the phone that you are mad as hell and aren't going to take it anymore. You can refuse to pay a penny and you can even hold your breath until you turn blue.
But if your name is on the signature line of the contract, you have agreed to every single word that is written within the four corners of each page of that legal document. Your insurance company can offer options for getting things back in order, they can chose that enforcing their rights isn't worth the hassle, or they can go after you for every last bit they are allowed. Worst case, the contract makes you responsible for any costs the insurance company incurs while enforcing it, and then any penalties and interest that accrue when you don't pay up in a timely manner.
So get angry, threaten to enforce standards of behavior and performance, and pubically expose and put your boot up any orifice you please. But if you really, really want to make sure nothing ever gets in the way of you living your best life, always read and understand anything that you sign before you sign it. Rinse, lather, then repeat.
In my humble opinion, of course.
Nothing calling a new company, engaging coverage, then canceling
the company trying to force you to pay for coverage you did not contract coverage regarding. Anyone who drives it and is not listed, is a thief. Pretty simple stuff.
So, fire the insurance company and engage a new one when they pull this bullshit.. Agents do not like when long term customers cancel a policy due to the bullshit of the insurance company. So, fix it or your fired. Pretty simple stuff.
The insurance company works for you. Not the other way around. Though there are duties that the policy holder is required to perform. Again, RTFP.
And the phrase is lather, rinse, repeat. Not rinse, lather, repeat. Lather first, then rinse, then repeat. Pretty basic stuff.
You are absolutely right about reading before you sign.
And... bless your sweet little heart.
Have the day you deserve.
Make copy’s of all insurance policies
And keep them in a safe place. Not in the home. What you pay this year and $. You subtract the $ of new insurance policies
'and DH pays the difference. Make copy's of new policy ect
DH and I are on the same car
DH and I are on the same car insurance. We also have our home insurance bundled. SD15 hasn't even taken driver's ed yet and doesn't have a permit. I am also saying she needs a JOB before getting any of these things. We have grocery stores and coffee shops within walking distance or a short drive by DH to drop off/pick up when SD works.
I am hoping DH keeps putting off SD15 taking driver's ed. I will definitely NOT be staying on insurance with DH if he wants to add her to the policy. Technically the policy is in my name. I would have DH drop and get his own with SD15. I would keep mine bundled with the house.
HOPEFULLY, BM will add SD15 on her insurance. I have heard that as long as you provide proof of insurance from another company, your premium shouldn't increase. Also make sure that SD does not register our address on her driver's license. She can use BM's residence.
DW and I have been on the same policy our whole driving marriage
Even when we owned no cars and had moved overseas we kept a non owners policy with our insurance company so we could retain coverage for use of my parent's vehicles and rental cars when we were home for visits.
When we bought SS a car at 18 and he got his license, also at 18, we engaged a separate policy for him. He had enlisted in the military and though his license and car were registered to our home address, he was not a member of our household. Our insurance company never questioned a thing.
When we moved overseas and sold our vehicles, we moved SS's registration and insurance address to my parent's. He picked up his car at my mom and dad's after he arrived at his first assigned duty station after tech training. We kept his insurance and paid for it until he received orders for a Europe assignment. At that point he insured the car for shipment then insured it for use when it arrived at his duty station.
Nothing a couple of calls and engaging changes in coverages did not handle.
Far too many people over complicate insurance. It is a simple contract. A premium is paid in return for a promise to pay/return the insured to their pre loss financial condition less a deductible for loss due to a covered peril.
It is not rocket surgery.
Read the policy. Engage your agents office, build the relationship, and if they fail to deliver to your expectations, find another agent and insurance company.
That our kid did not get his DL until he was 18 simplified things and circumvented the whole under age licensed driver in the household dance with an insurance company.
We never told, and the insurance never asked about SS.