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Fiance won't go after child support from ex... Help?

sunshinex's picture

My fiancé won't go after child support from his ex. She doesn't contribute ANYTHING to SD4, we pay everything. I'm frustrated because it's not fair to me.. I have to pay half her groceries, half the rent for a place big enough to accommodate her, half the utilities, everything, but BM gets to pay nothing at all. We have full custody, BM lives in another city and sees SD4 once in a while. (3-5 times a year)

What can I do to get him to understand? It's not really fair that we couldn't afford to have our own child because we're fully tied up paying for his.. I feel like she should be paying for half of the child's expenses instead of me.

sunshinex's picture

He doesn't make much money at all. I actually make 4x what he makes. So if I didn't contribute, he'd be seriously struggling (that's a whole other issue though). Plus, I'm okay with paying half the rent and such, just the groceries/daycare takes up all of his pay and some of mine when he can't cover what he needs and it's annoying. I could say no, but then again, how am I supposed to buy groceries for myself and tell him not to touch them because he didn't pay for them? That sounds awful

SugarSpice's picture

stop chipping in. find out your joint bills, split them up the middle and the rest of the costs are his.

sunshinex's picture

Yes, but that always turns into the same fight about how I should see her as my own and we're supposed to be a family... blah blah blah :/

sunshinex's picture

He doesn't understand how I don't see her as my own. If I ever said that I didn't love her, he'd probably lose it... even though we've only been together 2 years

GhostWhoCooksDinner's picture

Her own mother doesn't see her as her own since she won't help support her. Why should you?

hereiam's picture

You don't have to pay half of anything for the girl, as YOU do not have custody of her and she is not yours.

Contributing here and there is one thing but I'll be damned if I would support someone else's child when the 2 parents will not. And I would not be with a man who expected me to, while not going after the mother for CS. Ridiculous.

Keep doing it if you feel you have no other choice (you do) but that annoyance that you feel will turn into full fledged resentment in no time.

I would not marry him until this is sorted out, one way or another. Sometimes "seriously struggling" is just what one must do to figure things out. I think he needs to do that.

sunshinex's picture

I've told him before I have no problem spending money on her.. That's not at all what i'm bothered by. "Here and there" is totally different, I love buying her gifts for christmas or taking her out for lunch, but that's exactly it. I don't want to support someone's child while they don't. He gets so upset when I bring it up because he wants us to be a family and he feels I should be contributing to half her expenses no problem.

It sucks because I want to have a child, but he can barely afford the one he has and I'd be stuck paying all of our child's and half of his child's expenses. I'm so frustrated.

hereiam's picture

he feels I should be contributing to half her expenses no problem.

And how does that make YOU feel? Used, would be the correct answer.

So, he does not feel that the child's mother should pay anything? Really? Who does he think would support a child that you and he have together?

Why on Earth would you want to have a child with this guy?

This is just pissing me off (him, not you).

sunshinex's picture

I do love him, and I want to have a child because I know I'd be a great parent, I know that sounds crazy... He's a good dad, he just doesn't provide as well as he should for his child.

hereiam's picture

Not questioning why you want to have a child, just why you would want to with HIM.

A good dad makes sure his child is provided for. Oh wait, that's why he has you.

sunshinex's picture

She hasn't terminated rights, which pisses me off because SD sees her from time to time and always talks about missing mommy or loving mommy, but it's like, who the hell takes you everywhere, financially supports you, does everything for you but you miss the woman who sees you a few times a year and doesn't do shit. I know its not her fault lol but still.. frustrating. And yes, he'd love for me to adopt her, but I definitely wouldn't because I don't want that financial responsibility if we broke up.

SugarSpice's picture

by law, child support equals visitation rights. if the bm does not pay a dime, she gets no rights to see her child. period.

still learning's picture

Nope, not the law. Visitation is allowed even if no support is paid. You don't "buy" visitation.

Willow2010's picture

If I ever said that I didn't love her, he'd probably lose it
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Tell him that you love SD but she is NOT your child. He and BM bumped uglies to make that child.

Then tell him that HE needs to support her and that you feel used by him.

And FYI...he is using you and guilting you into raising his kid. RED FLAG!!

WalkOnBy's picture

This is super duper easy.

Just stop doing it.

And what Willow said.

sunshinex's picture

How do I go about cutting him off any help from me without seeming terrible? lately I've been asking for gas money when I drive her places and such.. but when he runs out of money, he's unable to get her to daycare or anything... Do i just sit back and watch him struggle?

hereiam's picture

One of the best questions for SMs to ask is, what would you do if I were not in the picture?

He would have to figure something out if you guys broke up tomorrow. What did he do before you got together or did he even have custody before the two of you got together?

BethAnne's picture

If you are planning your wedding have you thought about getting a pre-nup? It would give you guys the opportunity to sit down and really work out the money issues and how you want them to work going forwards, put that on paper and agree to it.

sunshinex's picture

Oh, absolutely. I already had him sign a cohabitation agreement when we moved in together, lol... No way I'm risking my financial security because of someone who refuses to make changes in his life and better himself financially.

FrenchPeas's picture

Then why have a child with the guy? Don't do that. He's not a good dad or a great catch.

secondplace's picture

Sunshinex, is he afraid that if he goes after BM for child support, she will try to fight him for custody of SD4?

hereiam's picture

Oh crap, is this the guy that doesn't even have a driver's license? He only has custody because BM is unfit? (Honestly, he doesn't sound any more capable than BM)

Honey, you have made it quite clear in all of your posts that this is not what you want out of life. You are miserable. Get yourself out of this situation.

sunshinex's picture

Yes.. same guy. I'm definitely not happy, but I do love him. I know it sounds so naive, but I think if we could just fix these problems, we'd be so happy together. He's my best friend. I am starting to feel like it's time to cut him off all helping/enabling and see how it goes. If he doesn't step up, I guess that's it.

sunshinex's picture

I would love to do it that way, but at the moment, the only reason he makes so little is because he's lazy and procrastinates going back to school/getting a better job. If he was working hard to improve his financial situation, i'd be entirely willing to split expenses based on income. The reason I don't is because I'm hoping he'll realize one day it's unacceptable to make the bare minimum you need to survive and not put effort in.

Also, I'm a big believer that having a child means giving your absolute all to bettering their life. I don't think it's right to have a child but avoid doing anything to improve their quality of living and i'm trying to push him into realizing he needs to put effort in.

hereiam's picture

That may be true in a normal situation, but this guy refuses to get his driver's license, refuses to look for better work, refuses to do anything to better provide for his daughter. He expects OP to do it.

Her making more than him still does not make her responsible for his daughter.

sunshinex's picture

That's what I've been doing lately.. He's on the verge of losing his job because he has to leave early and take a taxi to pick her up from daycare every night. He's about to walk an hour to get her to daycare as we speak.. so that's something? But when he loses his job, that's just more on my plate.

Ugh

sunshinex's picture

Crazy thing is, I've offered to actually pay for his driver's license, I've offered to pay ALL the bills/groceries/utilities while he goes back to school for 2 years to get a better job. I'm definitely more than willng to help him get in a better situation so he can contribute more, but even with those incentives, he doesn't get anything done. He says it's too hard, he can't find things he needs to register for school, all these excuses.

hereiam's picture

Really, a decent man would have busted his butt to improve his situation the minute he found out he was getting custody.

A decent man wouldn't need someone else to force him to do what he should have already been doing, and doing it willingly for his child.

A decent man would not put HIS responsibilities onto his girlfriend. He would have a little self respect. Or at least, want some and try to get some.

He should want to raise his daughter so that she respects him but how can she? Even at 4, she knows who's driving her around and tending to her needs. As she gets older, it will become even more apparent how irresponsible he is. He is quite the role model.

sunshinex's picture

Good point. As strange as it sounds, I can appreciate that he's a "love is enough" kind of person. I've never thought that way, I've always been very goal and money oriented and I'm a bit of a workaholic. He reminds me there's more to life than that. I do appreciate that he's easy-going. I guess I just wish he'd realize how important goals/money is in the long-run, and it worries me because if we broke up, I truly have no idea how he would support his child. He makes JUST enough to pay for half of rent/utilities and not much else.

notarelative's picture

I truly have no idea how he would support his child

How did he support his child before you?
Did he utilize the programs and resources available for low income parents?
Has he applied for subsidized day care?
Has he applied for a driver's license?

He's a parent. He needs to step up.

You are not responsible for him. He is not a minor and you are not his parent.

MommyMayI's picture

Ummmmmm this makes no sense. Maybe dh is worried that bm will try to get custody if he asks for cs.

moeilijk's picture

If you love him and you're happy together, then just pay for everything. He's not going to change, and you're sure he's the guy for you, so why not? It's just money, and you earn enough.

If you DO care about the finances, then you have to have a grown-up, business-like discussion about it and take grown-up, business-like action.

You can't have it both ways.

Personally, I'd move out and keep him around to date (exclusively) but I couldn't take the relationship seriously enough to think there's a real future in it. Or if I loved him so much just let him live rent-free with me and keep him as a boy-toy. But I don't think that love would last very long without respect.

sunshinex's picture

Ahh I've thought of that. I COULD pay for everything, I could certainly afford it, but not without sacrificing money for travel, etc. And working 12 hours a day, I feel I deserve to have some spending money for myself.

If I loved him as much as I think, wouldn't I not have a problem paying for things? I'm so torn, I don't know how I'm supposed to feel about any of this

sunshinex's picture

I'm 21 and I don't want to put it off long because in the next few years i'm taking over the company I work for, and I'll be far too busy for a baby lol. I wish love was enough..

onthefence2's picture

Are you against him being a stay at home dad and raising the kids while you work? I mean, what is your plan otherwise? You want a baby, you want him to get a better job...who will take care of the kid's while you're both working all the time?

moeilijk's picture

Love is the thread that binds, but you love your parents, your pets, your friends... Love is just a starting point.

You have to look at your own character and the character of your partner. What do you offer? What do you need? Where are the gaps? How important are they?

Get clear on who you are. Are you really someone who is willing to sacrifice free time and fun by working 12h days and not travelling in order to support a partner and his kid? If you were that person, do you get enough joy from the time you do have with your partner to make him worth that sacrifice? Are you willing to make that sacrifice day in and day out for the rest of your life?

If you are willing to do all of that, is that AS WELL AS or INSTEAD OF taking care of yourself?

Disneyfan's picture

21!!!! My son will be 24 next month. If he found himself in your situation, I'd be livid. Thank goodness he refuses to date women with kids.

I bet your mother wants to shake some sense into you and put her foot in this guys behind.

Please take some time and think about what you are getting into.

notarelative's picture

He is showing you who he is. Look carefully.
What you see now is what you get long term.
He is not going to change his basic core.

He won't drive. He won't get a license. He won't go to school to get an education for a better job. He won't take care of his child. He foists the child care off on you.

This is who he is. Is this what you want for the rest of your life? He is not going to change. Is this how you want to spend the rest of your life?

Do not marry this guy unless you want your life to be more of the same that you are dealing with now. It will not get better. People show their best side before the wedding. This is his best.

He can make it without you. He can work. He can get a drivers license. He can take care of his child. There are day care subsidies, programs, and housing support for low income single parents. They are not just for single moms, but also available to single dads. He needs to figure out what is available in your area and apply for them. He needs to figure out how he is going to take care of his child.

sunshinex's picture

I'm realizing he's showing who he is now. I know he just spent the last of his money (until he gets paid in 8 days) on a cab to get to daycare so he could go to work, despite me telling him all he can afford is the bus... but he didn't feel like figuring out what bus to take. Now, I'm not going to pitch anything to help him get to daycare tomorrow. He'll have to learn the hard way. I've tried to help him get his life together, but he's going to have to lose his job to figure it out I guess. Ugh.

FrenchPeas's picture

For the record, I'm divorcing his future self. Lazy assed user. And trust me, when your usefulness wears our, he will go for someone else.

Trust me. I AM DIVORCING HIS FUTURE SELF. Literally. He's not a good dad and he is using yoU!!!

thisisnotmocking's picture

You have a bus system and he chooses a cab instead?!

LMAO he's just one ridiculous choice after another.

To put THAT choice in financial perspective, a bus pass is $40 for a month long unlimited use pass. A cab ride of 6miles is $30, each way.

notasm3's picture

Please dump this user/loser man-child. Loving him is NOT enough reason to throw your life away.

Many of us have loooooooved losers along the way. You can STOP loving anyone. Not saying it's easy. But it's the SMART thing to do.

STOP BEING SO DAMN STUPID.

hereiam's picture

Twenty-one? Sweetie, please go live your life and get out of this stressful situation, that you don't want to be in and don't deserve to be in. You are too young to be this man's mama.

robin333's picture

He's using you. You deserve better. You're 21, successful and single. I'm in my early 40's, please trust me that this should be your carefree time in life, not supporting someone else and their child. Do not settle for less than an equal partner. That isn't him.

As far as a baby goes, you really do have time
And I'm sure you want your baby's daddy to be a good role model. That means he wants the best for both of you, is responsible and capable of supporting that child.

Eta: no good man reproduces without the means to provide for their child. That is just reckless and selfish.

sunshinex's picture

That is very true. I get so frustrated because him and BM actually CHOSE to have a child.. It wasn't a mistake or anything, they chose to.. While he was the only one working and making minimum wage. Why should I pay for someone else's completely irresponsible choice?

notarelative's picture

You are choosing to pay for their irresponsible choice.
You are continuing to allow him to live with you.

Stop the madness.
Give him the address and phone number of the local family shelter.

DPW's picture

I'd like you to go into the bathroom and look into the mirror for a while and ask yourself why you choose to be with a loser. Do it. Look at yourself, deep into your eyes. If you don't find the answer, then I suggest that you go to therapy to assess why you choose to be with him. There's something missing in your life to put up with this.

still learning's picture

I'm getting dizzy from reading all of these comments but most of the commenters are right, you just need to stop. You have the wallet, you have the power. Why are you so insistent on taking care of this man baby and his child?

Fiance needs to file for support, he doesn't need to "ask" her for support the courts will take care of that. Draw the line, say I'm only paying for my portion of the bills until you file for CS. Then we can review the budget.

You're being taken for a ride girl.

sunshinex's picture

I appreciate everyone's input and it looks like I've got some serious thinking to do, lol. I don't particularly want to lose him, but if things aren't going to change, he's going to have to go. Thank you all. Words cannot describe how great it is to have a place where people understand what you're going through.

sunshinex's picture

I appreciate everyone's input and it looks like I've got some serious thinking to do, lol. I don't particularly want to lose him, but if things aren't going to change, he's going to have to go. Thank you all. Words cannot describe how great it is to have a place where people understand what you're going through.

still learning's picture

"If you are worried about being lonely get a cat" <<<----- Best advice yet! Cats are much better companions and way cheaper than a lazy slub of a boyfriend.

hereiam's picture

And a lot more self-sufficient than OP's guy.

hippiegirl's picture

Isn't it funny? If this were a father not paying, he would be raked over the coals and then some! I think that it is absolute crap that you cannot afford your own child because you are paying for someone else's! WTF? Why do you stay? You have no biological ties to that household. I guarantee you will eventually come to hate your husband and his kid.

p.s.--listen to Sally...she sounds smart.

sunshinex's picture

Just an update.. I haven't helped him at all for the past couple of days. He's had to leave work early every night and spend all his money on cabs/bus fair. I'm just doing my own thing and going out with friends Smile

I think he's either going to step up and realize he needs a better job with hours during the day, a driving license, and of course, child support to take care of his child... or he's going to give up and go back to live with family where someone else can take care of him. Those are his only options. Either way, it works out for me Smile

sunshinex's picture

Just an update.. I haven't helped him at all for the past couple of days. He's had to leave work early every night and spend all his money on cabs/bus fair. I'm just doing my own thing and going out with friends Smile

I think he's either going to step up and realize he needs a better job with hours during the day, a driving license, and of course, child support to take care of his child... or he's going to give up and go back to live with family where someone else can take care of him. Those are his only options. Either way, it works out for me Smile

sunshinex's picture

Just an update.. I haven't helped him at all for the past couple of days. He's had to leave work early every night and spend all his money on cabs/bus fair. I'm just doing my own thing and going out with friends Smile

I think he's either going to step up and realize he needs a better job with hours during the day, a driving license, and of course, child support to take care of his child... or he's going to give up and go back to live with family where someone else can take care of him. Those are his only options. Either way, it works out for me Smile

still learning's picture

"Forget his good looks, his big dick.."

Fo real, a vibrator would be so much cheaper.

My dd20 is dating a man baby loser. He's a handsome young man but have a job, didn't bother graduating HS, lives with mommy. No income except what dd and mommy give him. She works full time and makes great money. I asked her why she is with him, she basically said for power. If he wants something she has to buy it for him, he has to be really nice to her, grovel etc. She's got the wallet and she's in charge. I'm hoping she'll get tired of this dynamic when she grows up a little more. But what do I know.

No Name's picture

Just curious...why doesn't he want to receive child support for his child? Is it just the thought/effort of going through the process? You could complete all of the paper work for him and mail it for him if he would simply sign it. Then it would just be a matter of him showing up for court on that day.
Even if he just got the day care covered what a big help that would be! Is the BM employed?
Maybe he could just ask her to pay for day care and not go through the court system.
My DH was afraid to "upset" his ex because she in turn would turn the kids against him. What ever!
The money is for the kids not the parent.
I never cared about money for housing, food, utilities, etc. as I would have to pay that anyway. What I needed help with was with educational expenses for my children, in your case day care. The older they get the more expensive it gets.
I agree with what everyone else is telling you. At 21 you should be happy and enjoying your life and your career. Go have fun with your friends. Let him know what you want in a relationship. Maybe this isn't what you signed up for.

sunshinex's picture

I think it's the process. BM is also collecting the child tax benefit (in ontario) instead of him and he hasn't bothered to file and make sure he gets it instead. I think it's because he knows she will likely get in huge legal trouble for fraudulently claiming the tax benefit and he prefers for them to tolerate eachother/not fight for the sake of the child, which is great and all but the tax benefit is a significant monthly cheque that would help greatly...

moeilijk's picture

Nope, none of that is 'for the sake of the child.'

It's all to keep himself comfortable. That's human nature, but as adults we make the effort to do the right thing, even when it's uncomfortable.

If it were 'for the sake of the child,' he'd be getting child support and working a better paying/2nd job.

smomofone's picture

Please tell me you dumped this dude, or when he said you guys where done, you really are done.

WHAT A FKING LOOSER!!

You really need to get a grip on yourself and have a bit more self respect and love for YOU. You are allowing a loser nobody who isn't a good father, Fiance, nor human being at this point, to Manipulate you in such a way. Seams to me you have a really low self esteem to put up with this.

You are 21!!! what I wouldn't give to be 21 again! (I am 28, but still rather be 21)

At 21 I was hanging out with my friends, going out, traveling to Vegas! Living in my own one bedroom apartment, by myself! Life was so Carefree at 21! You should be out living your life! not letting this man-child take away your best years.

It is very common on here that SM's make more than their DH's, Its the case with my SO and I as well. But he is responsible for Half of all Bills! Really he should be responsible for slightly more due to his child having her own space with us, but our agreement was half and half and I get to live in the better higher priced neighborhood.

He is responsible for his child. If I feel like helping him with her its my choice. He doesn't even ask unless its a last resort emergency, to do something for SD. Anything I do for her is because I choose to. And in that way I love it, I love doing things for her, but if I "had" to I would resent the hell out of both of them.

You need to seriously respect yourself, you are smart enough to get a good job and be responsible for yourself at such a young age, but totally throwing yourself to the wolves with this guy.

Jzell67's picture

I have been with my partner of 20 years.

I didn't pay anything for her kids that she chose to have with her loser ex.

And she didn't expect me too. She worked hard, very hard, to provide for her children as it was her responsibility and not mine.

Emily1984's picture

It is the child's right to be supported by two parents so if he cared about that he would go after the CS.

Maybe he just doesn't want the drama but he made a baby with her and now it's time to deal with it.