Dealing with rejection
I just created an account so I could post and try to find some advice or someone to talk to, but I can't even keep myself together long enough to be able to relive the details of this horrific week. I can't stop crying; I feel this huge empty ache in my chest, and I have no idea what to do. Short version: tried to do something nice for my fiance on Father's Day, ended up inadvertently "insulting" my to-be stepdaughter (almost 19) who wrote a whole mess of things that I can't get over, and I know it's mostly not her fault she's the way she is - her mother has BPD - but I am a wreck. I'm not good at dealing with stuff like this. I do take things personally. I'm a hard introvert, and I've always been terrified of failure, and rejection, and this is just my worst nightmare. My fiance is very supportive of me, and is pretty pissed off at his daughter.. oh, but they're all (fiance, 3 younger teenage boys, and the girl) supposed to go to dinner tonight, and I don't know what's going to be said, or what's going to happen afterwards, but it feels like this very fragile balance we've been working on is just completely collapsing.
I'm not suicidal - had to throw that out - but I desperately want to be drunk, or unconscious, or in any state where I don't have to deal with this shit. And I know my problems aren't unusual, and are in fact probably a lot less awful that many others', but that doesn't help me. I'm at the limit of my personal ability to cope, and I feel like my chest is going to rip open from the pain. I don't even know why I'm here, because I don't think anything can be done. I could use a hug, though.
Are you generally fragile
Are you generally fragile when it comes to relationships? Because if you are, then maybe you need to rethink this step life. It's not easy, and kids are jerks (especially teenagers). "Inadvertently insulting" them is generally a daily occurrence and you just can't make it your problem.
If you are to survive, you'll need to get past letting other people dictate how you feel. Stepkids can be cruel, blame the step parent for everything negative remotely touching their lives, and that includes international terrorism and pollution and the economy (particularly their own personal economy).
Have you considered counseling to help figure out why you feel so bad? Even if she was an absolutel bitch to you, you're still crying several days later. That worries me.
What did your soon to be SD
What did your soon to be SD say that hurt you so badly? How did you "offend" her?
Let me share my story with you. My SD30 has said terrible things about my sons and I. She has also bashed her father. They no longer have a relationship as she disappeared from his life 2 years ago because he won't divorce me to please her. This past month (after 2 years of peace) she started to send nasty emails. She wants to know why daddy isn't supporting her financially and why he's choosing to live with and support "those strangers" (meaning my sons and I).
In the beginning her insults would make me feel bad. Now, I could care less. I do not care what a snotty, spoiled, manipulative, BPD, NPD, adult brat has to say about us. She can go to hell. Hopefully you can get to this point too. Please know you're not alone.
If you can cite some examples or give us some more details of what happened with you then I think you will get more advice. There are a lot of really experienced and knowledgable posters on here (I don't consider myself to be one of them but I do like to share when I can.
I don't mean to sound nosy but I think you will get good advice if you can share your story with everyone. That way other posters will be able to directly address your situation.
Amber
Coming back to this *after*
Coming back to this *after* writing out as much as I could below:
First, she's 30 years old, and still doing that? 1. really sorry to hear that, and 2. ugh, yeah, I think getting to the point where you are sounds like a HUGE step up for me. I have started to develop a bit of a shell, finally - or at least put up some fences. It's just I don't seem to have any control over the process. Once someone hurts me badly enough, it happens, but I'd do anything to just be able to, like, vaccinate myself, you know?
I do know what you're saying.
I do know what you're saying. Just so you know, it took me many years and lots of therapy to get where I am today. It's hard not to care when someone is spewing their vile shit your way. It takes practice and time but you can do this.
Yes, SD is around 30 years old. I forget how old but I know she's at least 30. She is an entitled, spoiled and manipulative brat. She lied to DH for years, pretending she was in college so daddy would pay for her brand new $25,000 car that she picked out. Daddy would ask "how's school going?" and the little bitch would lie. She would however, sign up for classes every semester that she would drop, thus accumulating thousands upon thousands of student loan debt that dear daddy paid off. Daddy paid for the car and she was supposed to pay for insurance. Little princess snowflake couldn't handle the stress of maintaining her insurance so daddy decided he would pay for it as his name was on the car. Most parents would take the car away but little princess was just so stressed and daddy didn't want his precious little girl to get stranded. He paid thousands in parking tickets and toll evasion fines.
Mommy paid for princesses apartment that she almost got kicked out of as she was "too loud" when she was having relations with her boyfriend. Daddy was giving her $1000 a month for what he describes as "just a little help". A little help? Jesus tap dancing Christ! Delusional.
Well, it was found out that princess brat was dancing and stripping at a club and mommy found $3000 in her purse. In one of her latest emails she stated that she was forced into being a dancer because daddy didn't provide her enough financial "support". I'm sorry princess, did you expect daddy to pay for your cocaine habit as well?
Yeah, she's a piece of work. My DH cut her off when he realized that he wasn't helping her; he was ENABLING her. This was when we got together so of course princess thinks that the Bank of Daddy closed because of me; nothing could be further from the truth. My DH has told me many times that even if I didn't exist that he was going to cut her off as she scammed him and lied to him (he also blew around $40,000-$50,000 on her in a matter of 4-5 years). The last straw was when she got stuck (blew a tire) on the freeway and instead of calling roadside service, little snowflake called daddy to rescue her. My DH (boyfriend at the time) saw how she trashed her brand new car and he took it away from her. FINALLY some consequences! There were over 30 cigarette burns in the upholstery, the cup holders were melted from putting cigarettes out in them and they were full of cigarette butts. We found a bag of weed and the seats were badly stained. It looked like she poured coffee on the beige seats and didn't attempt to clean it up. The bumper was cracked as she hit something but of course she didn't have insurance. There were dents in the car. You know, accidents happen but it was the burning and the holes all over the upholstery that really had him upset. He was also tired if paying her tickets off.
She asks him in the latest email how he could pick and support "strangers" instead of her. Excuse me bitch, I'm no stranger after 9-10 years. Go get a job and take care of your shit.
So, that's my story.
In regards to you, protect yourself NOW!!! From what you've described it sounds like you're going to get even more hurt. You can't force SD to like you but she must respect you and treat you with the common decency that any human being deserves. Your intentions were good. So what if you should've said it a different way? You apologized and that should've been the end of that! In fact, I think you could've said that the blessed mother was going to descend upon your house to leave her $100,000 and she still would've found fault with that. It shouldn't have been hard for this little snot to understand where you were coming from. You weren't trying to imply they she wasn't going to call; you were letting her know about an emergency (not everyday a man that young has a heart attack) and you just wanted to inform the kids so that WHEN THEY DID CALL, that they would have a better chance of being able to contact their dad. In fact, her defensive behavior makes me wonder if she was planning on not calling her dad. It sounds like perhaps you foiled her plans by making it so she couldn't say "gee dad, you didn't answer". I don't know, I'm hardcore speculating here.
You did nothing wrong. Any decent human being (if they were offended) would've listened to your reason for contacting her and would acknowledge your apology. Your SD sounds like a POS just like my SD.
Get yourself therapy if you need to. I needed it as I was so astounded at how my DH defended and allowed his nasty, manipulative daughter to act he way she does. Like I said , I took me many years but now she's a non entity to me. Heck, sit back and let her self destruct so your DH sees it for himself and you will look like an angel as you haven't provoked her.
Good luck to you.
Amber.
I'll try to write more.. it's
I'll try to write more.. it's still hard. May have to do it in chunks.
Merry, as far as "fragile" goes, that's hard to answer. I'm an excellent manager, and one of my greatest strengths is resolving personality conflicts and other interpersonal issues. I've been pretty consistently great with "difficult" people - not people with BPD, just your garden variety office a-holes, prima donnas, and shitheels. I never have been terribly comfortable around kids, though. Only child, geeky, very shy, not a lot of friends. I had a little stepdaughter from my previous marriage who I had an excellent relationship with from ~5 to about 12, after which her dad and I divorced. It was easy. She was a sweet, affectionate child who loved people, and being kind to people. Wicked sense of humor, too. I haven't seen her in two years - she lives with her very cool BM across the country, and her dad took the spousal support I gave him (to see her, specifically) and blew it all on motorcycle gear and random electronics. [That behavior was a big part of why we divorced.]
I see a psychiatrist for PTSD, depression, and anxiety disorders, and another therapist for... more of the same. So yeah, I'm a *mess,* but I'm working hard on my weaknesses and getting better over time. I'm 37, and still very much a work in progress. And I'm *usually* pretty good at pushing through my discomfort. But you called it - I've always had self-esteem issues, and I do very much base my feelings of self-worth on the approval of others. Like I said, I'm working on it, and if anyone others who have had that problem themselves have any words of wisdom to offer, *please* do so. My friends who don't have that problem say things like, "Just get over it," or "Who cares what they think? Let it go," and I love my friends, but that advice does not help me.
Okay, I'll post the actual FB message I sent that started this whole fiasco. Background: we were supposed to get the boys over Father's Day weekend. Then my fiance - let's call him Fitz - then Fitz's brother (36, works about 60 hours/week, going through a divorce with 3 young boys) had a heart attack. So we went to see him instead. While we were there, their mother went blind, and the hospital told us she had a stroke. So we all geared up to go to the hospital. It was Father's Day, and I didn't know if the kids would be trying to call while we were at the hospital, or if he was supposed to call them later - which is what normally happens, btw. And I sent this to the daughter:
"Hi, [SD-to-be].. didn't know if any of you were planning to call your father today, but if you were, this would probably be a pretty good time to do it. We're probably going to be hard to reach for a while later. Just letting you know; please pass on to the boys. Thanks!"
The story of why I would even try to go through the daughter is its own pile of b.s.. she was supposed to be at college - or... in the town containing the college she just dropped out of - but [VERY short version] snuck back into town without telling her father. Fitz found out by accident from one of her brothers, after she had been here for several days. The mom had told them all not to tell him she was there. Then the daughter, after she got busted, tried to play it off as some great Father's Day surprise. There's so much more... let's just say she's got a lot to feel legitimately guilty about. And then we left to visit his brother.
Oh Kaliko, you and I are
Oh Kaliko, you and I are kindred spirits! I too long for friends who can give me usable advice, but only ever get "Just ignore it." or "Why do you care what anyone else thinks?". Unfortunately, it's deeply ingrained in me to care what everyone else thinks! According to one therapist it's fear of abandonment, because I was abandonded by my incubator (Bio-mom). Never the less, I feel your pain. If someone has a problem with you, you feel it in your bones. If someone doesn't like you, you feel almost incomplete. It's the sad reality of some of us. We want to brush it off. We just can't. I'm so sorry for what you're going thru, but know, you are not alone sister!
We're really all kind of a
We're really all kind of a mess in one way or another, don't you think? And your sensitivity to this kind of thing probably makes you an empathetic and caring person overall. Obviously you can distance yourself from employees at work. Can you think of the Steps as people who are somewhat removed from your life like that?
You've gotten good advice to just let your DH handle his kids, be responsible for all the communication, etc. You can be cordial, even friendly, but the relationship is his to maintain.
You did not do one single thing wrong. But the outcome is an indication that you probably won't be able to do anything right either. So your solution is to do nothing for them. (Just be forewarned that THAT might be perceived as wrong too. But they can't have it both ways.)
I hope your DH backs you up and insists on simple politeness, at minimum.
First go get the book
First go get the book Stepmonster by Wednesday Martin it's great for step mom's.
Next quit trying to be helpful! It won't work. You will be blamed for everything. It is way easier for them to blame everything on stepmom then on dear old daddy.
When my grandfather was being taken off life support my husband dropped everything to drive me to the hospital. What was my stepdaughters' response???? They freaked out!!! They were having a BBQ no reason just for fun. In their mind I needed to "learn to share" all because dh wanted to go with me to say goodbye to my grandfather which was a man he respected.
I love books! They're so...
I love books! They're so... clean, and self-contained, and full of potential. I'll check it out.
The "quit trying to be helpful" thing is... not me. But I guess I might have to learn how to do it.
Also.. I'm so sorry about your grandfather, and having to deal with that reaction on top of your loss. That's just... awful. But your husband sounds like a *really* good man.
She responded to my message
She responded to my message with a kind of vaguely shitty comment, but ended up sending him a text. I wrote her another message to say, "Thank you - that really cheered him up to know you were thinking of him."
So, how did I offend her? Well, apparently the word "if" was an insult to her and her brothers by implying they weren't thinking of him on Father's Day. Because of course they were going to talk to him, and I had criticized all of their timing and intentions, and so on and so forth. I apologized for my wording, and said it was actually not my intention to imply that they wouldn't talk to him, and she just kept going, until finally - being a little overwhelmed by the blitzkrieg attack, and also needing to go to the F-ing hospital, I told her that while I apologized, I wasn't going to absorb any more of her anger, and I was ending the conversation. She went on to send me another half-page or so of text, which was more communication than she's sent to her father in the past 6 months, saying that it was weird an inappropriate that I had *thanked* her for sending the text, and that by saying she was angry I was making more out of the relationship than there was, that I was a non-issue in her life, etc etc etc. And that if I actually wanted to have a relationship with her, *this* was exactly how I should have worded my statements, and I should have asked her to explain more about how she was feeling and not invalidated her, and I had made myself into a victim when no victimization had occurred..
Okay, so I broke off to go deal with actual life-or-death stuff for a while while kind of breaking down emotionally. And I calmed down eventually - talked to some family, and some friends, and read some articles, and prepared to try and reach out again, because Fitz was going to have to see her a day or so, and he was planning to just tell her off, which... borderline mom, potentially borderline daughter... I didn't think that would go well, and I just wanted to try to resolve it less aggressively. So I wrote her, said I hadn't handled things the way I realized I should have, and could I take her out for coffee or something so I could listen to her and try to understand where she was coming from.
So the response I got today was this bizarre combination of "Look how mature and considerate I'm being" and "You are scum" that I've only heard before from her mother: I really appreciate the offer, and I know you want to have a good relationship with us, and I support that, but you've never been a stepmother to me or the boys, and you have no place in our lives, and I don't want a relationship with you, and we know who the people are in our lives who really care and have actually been there for us, and don't think you know me and have the right to think I'm upset just because you've met me a few times, but I don't want to think I think badly of you, and I really hope you join us for dinner tonight because the boys would like to see you.
wtf
So, okay, writing out the summary now, it is kind of making me laugh a bit, except for the part where she's moving back with her mother and her younger brothers, and now there are going to be 2 of them reinforcing each other and talking shit about us/me to the boys, and Fitz has a promotion ceremony coming up that she's probably not coming to now, and I don't know what to do about our wedding - to which I invited her, her boyfriend, and his parents - which she also criticized me for. And I *really* like the boys, especially one of them who is the only one who has been consistently kind to me despite his mother's influence, and I don't think for a minute that they all see me the way she claimed, but I'm horrified that they will after their mother and sister both work on them for a while. And that is very hard for me to accept, because I thought we had made a lot of progress with each other... but I thought I had made progress with the daughter too, so what do I know about anything?
I could hear her mother speaking through her - same tactics, same *wording* even. I don't know how much she believes of what she wrote [some stuff, like, "the divorce wasn't difficult for any of us" I know was a lie], and even if she does believe it, I know it's mostly just BPD influence. And seriously, she's done some awful things to Fitz over the past few years. Pretty major betrayals, to the point that even he is about ready to just say, "Okay, you're done." And I don't *want* to deal with her ever again - even though I did hold it together long enough to write a brief, pleasant email back telling her to feel free to contact me if she changed her mind. She needs therapy, very badly. She's not trustworthy, and I don't want her in my house. And it's pretty easy for me to switch off my concern for people once they've actually tried to hurt me or someone I care about. So her: less of a big deal today, even with the hurtful statements. But the boys.. I don't want to lose all of them too, and I *know* from the BPD books and from this site and others that it's totally possible that's going to happen. Likely to happen, even. And it really, really hurts.
I'm not leaving Fitz. He's the best man I've ever known. Some codependency issues - or he wouldn't have raised 4 kids with a BP - but he's working on that, like I'm working on my issues, and we're a great team. None of this crap has caused a fissure in our relationship, and I'm grateful. But it also just sucks that something I tried to do to cheer him up backfired this horribly. He formally adopted his daughter less than a year ago, so he could pass his GI Bill benefits to her and keep her on his health care, but he's raised her since she was a baby. He's the only person who's ever contributed resources to support her or the other kids, because the mom can't keep a job more than a couple weeks. And she shows no respect for him unless she needs something, and sometimes even not then. She's entitled and condescending, and he's made a lot of sacrifices to try to keep her in his life, and now with this, I think she finally crossed the line with him. He can take a lot of abuse, but he doesn't tolerate the people he loves being abused. So this is all just awful.
As far as SD taking offense
As far as SD taking offense at the email. I think this might be a case of her reading something into an email that was not intended. You lose vocal tone and body language in an email - sometimes making the intent of the sender hard to decipher.
She probably thought that the phrase "didn't know if any of you were planning to call your father today" was meant in a judgmental way. You did not mean it that way. You were simply providing info in case she was going to call her father.
This is not meant to excuse her behavior in any way. It is intended to make you feel better and to reassure you that there was nothing wrong with that email. She clearly over reacted.
All that being said - I completely understand how you feel. If I were in your situation, I would be dealing with it in exactly the same way as you are. I take everything personally. I try to be fair with people and it drives me crazy when people are not fair back.
My best advice for you right now is to read this site. You will find other people who have situations close to yours. You will get good and often brutally honest advice. You are one step ahead of many here as it sounds like you DH is at least somewhat supportive.
Big hug coming your way.
Thank you. I.. am going to
Thank you. I.. am going to go cry some more, I think, but it's more of a "grateful-for-empathy" cry than a "sad" cry, so it's all good.
And then I will read the site some more.
Perhaps after this, just stay
Perhaps after this, just stay out of their handling of any and all Father's Day greetings. The kids either do or they don't. The worse that would have happened had you not tried to contact the SD to begin with would be her or the boys trying to call and ending up getting voice mail. Dad being busy and all. They could have left a quick greeting and message of they would try again or whatever.
Your initial justification for the contact you made to your SD was " [I] tried to do something nice for my fiancé on Father's Day, ended up inadvertently "insulting" my to-be stepdaughter". However and for whoever you tried to do your original text to the SD was for, it ended up blowing up on multiple persons.
Leave them to worry and tend to their own relationships and communications. It's easier that way for you and doesn't put you in any paths of miscommunications and implied insults or any such things. His kids. His problem. Their dad. Their problem. Focus and you and your husband's relationship and life together. You've apologized. You didn't mean it the way SD took. Hopefully DF will smooth it over by explaining your true intentions (You're having a family crisis in husband's extended family, you were just trying to help the kids fit in around everything else suddenly and unexpectedly going on). Hopefully also Dad will make clear to his daughter that while this originally was not intentional and you meant absolutely no insult that he will not tolerate his daughter ever speaking to his 2bwife in any disrespectful manner. Ever.
You and daughter don't have to be best friends. Don't really have to overly like each other. Not everyone is going to like you. That the boys and his daughter respect you as his 2bwife and than wife is the important thing. Dad will not allow another text blow up from his daughter to you and/or about you. This is what counts that Dad must do about what happened and hopefully at the dinner this evening this is what he intends to say/do.
Stepfamilies are not easy and there always is a long adjustment time. Both the steps2be can get defensive and protective (which it appears happened in your case).
Heh, I'm not really worried
Heh, I'm not really worried about staying *out* of their paths from now on - the hard part is going to be ever deliberately engaging again. And I can't even remotely stomach the thought of sharing air with the daughter right now. Maybe that will change, but not real soon. I don't think any of them really have any concept of basic manners or civility. They act how they feel, as far as I can tell - which is okay, most of the time, because I think they're just basically pretty nice kids. But Fitz put up with it wayyy too long - until after the divorce - and only started enforcing boundaries after we got together, when I was like, "You have feral children." Their mother specifically taught them not to respect authority figures. So they don't understand respect - "speaking politely" is just something incomprehensible that they're being forced to do on my account. Then they text their mother to bitch about the fact that we have rules, and she sends Fitz text after text saying that he's being cruel or arbitrary.
We have a lot of flash floods in this state. I don't see why she can't just go drown in one.
if you want to stick with
if you want to stick with this thing your husband has to be in charge of all of it. HE has to be the one the kids go to with their bullshit. HE has to be the one you get to vent to. HE has to fix it. You can't do it because they will resent you more. Just make all the communication go through him and things will be much better, it will no longer be your problem. If he is serious about being w you and knows your issues he should be happy to oblige.
Go have a final cry and then
Go have a final cry and then FORGET ABOUT IT ALL. Don't contact the SD again, no matter what.
I understand what and why you did what you did, been there and done that. Chalk it up to a learning experience and focus on your wedding, with or without the skids if need be. Set very firm boundaries or how you want YOUR relationship with SD or even your SS' from here on out and stick to it.
I had a 2 teen SS' that would steal stuff, move things in the house, just random things, to the point I thought I was just making shit up bc I didn't like them or I was crazy. I was even defending myself to DSO that I wasn't doing it to just get the boys in trouble, when he wasn't even accusing me of it. I felt like I was going crazy. OSS is 21 now and YSS is 15 and he is now in juvie bc of his violent behavior. But both boys had to leave my house (My late DH and I bought the house 26 years ago, so all mine) and go back to BM.
I finally had to set my boundaries.
I never contact either boy.
If either one of them ever would reach out to me (they never have), it would be forwarded to DSO.
I'm never alone with either of them and they can't come to my house unless DSO is there.
I will be socially polite, hello and goodbye, but that is the extent of my communication. If they refuse to reply back, which they don't, I just shrug and go about my life. DSO has seen and heard them be rude to me or ignore me, so I don't feel bad at all for no interaction.
Neither boy gets the fun side of our family. They aren't asked for family get togethers (my side gets together a lot), or included in trips. My adult bios and their families and DSO, SD and I are all going on a beach vacation together.
I'm not a total bitch though. SD14 lives with DSO and I. We aren't best buds, but she gets it...respect me and I will do the same. She is a good kid and good student. She gets the cell phone, beach trip, money for movies, plays sports and is in the band. DSO financially supports her 100%, but I do help pick up the slack with rides or even cash if I have it and she wants to do something.
Thank you all so much - your
Thank you all so much - your responses were very helpful to me in getting through this event.
I have "unfriended" the SD-to-be from Facebook, and after many long discussions with my boyfriend about the advice y'all gave me here, and our own perceptions, we both agree that she is not welcome in my house ["our" house, normally, but I pay the mortgage], nor will he be using my truck/trailer to help move her back to the city from college later this month. If she dismisses the fact that I have provided a lot of resources to help her, then she doesn't get those resources anymore. If she apologizes - and only if it happens when she doesn't *need* or *want* anything from either of us - we'll reconsider.
Kind of funny update - about a day after we decided this, her BM called my boyfriend at work to say that when SD had gone back to school [again, without mentioning this to her father], she had left their house in shambles. Apparently, BM and her boyfriend must have left town for several days - possibly up to a week - leaving the kids basically alone. We had the boys for a weekend, during which time SD must have been alone in the house. So.. she did not clean up after all their pets, which are *not* housebroken, because BM won't provide consistent direction - big surprise, right? - and when the boys went home, the floor was covered in dog feces, vomit & urine... among other things. So what does BM want from us? She wants *us* to house SD now, because she doesn't want her in her house. And she said that we would be better able to provide consistency and discipline, because she always caves - her words. Funny, she usually refers to us as inappropriately restrictive and/or abusive when she wants the kids, but it's totally different when she's fed up. Anyway, he told her that we would not be taking in SD, and that she needed to not cave this time and have SD create some sort of life plan to get a job and education. (That will not happen. Good effort on his part, though.) I'm sure BM has changed her mind 9 or 10 times a day since then, and I'm sure in the end she'll let SD move back in with her. Until the next time she kicks her out again, at least.
This has all been very hard on my boyfriend, who is being strong because he knows it's the right thing to do, both for us and for SD... but at the same time the idea of not jumping in to rescue his baby girl is completely against his nature. *He* won't cave, though, and I'm just trying to support him emotionally.
Until next time!
Tell your boyfriend that the
Tell your boyfriend that the best thing he could do for his daughter is ignore her right now. She is behaving in an entitled and spoilt manner, thinking only of herself. She has no respect for either of her parents, her animals and ultimately, herself, due to her actions and her treatment of her Mom's home.
At 19..she can now learn to stand on her own two feet. There has to be consequences to her actions - otherwise, she will never learn to take responsibility for herself or hers (animals).
If your boyfriend continues to run after her and fix all her problems, he is wrecking her for adulthood. He also needs to support YOUR relationship and focus on making the two of you happy. His kid is 19, not 9 and he needs to let her go.