Advice for a Possible FSM?
Hello all... brand new here and well, I am looking for some advice.
Some history: I currently have a 2 year old BS. My son's father and current SO, has two other children - another 2 year old (SD1) and a 1 year old (SD2), both boys. My son is the oldest.
To make a long story somewhat short - SO and I have had an on-and-off again relationship for the past 5 years. Our longest off period, in which I became pregnant, was originally permanent, I moved to another state for work after college and we decided that we did not want to pursue a long distance relationship. We stayed in very limited contact. He did visit 3 times, but nothing serious. Of course, on his last visit, walla! I end up pregnant (considering I had been sleeping with this man for 3 years at this point and on the same birth control with NO scares, it irks me I fell into the 2% failure rate at this point). Oh well, the only 100% birth control is abstinence. I had known he was involved with another woman sexually because we have always been open and honest about our dealings just due to the nature of our relationship. We waffled back and forth about keeping the baby (almost 3 months), before deciding we'd like to be parents and that we'd discuss in the coming months about giving some serious consideration to having a stable, monogamous relationship. Wouldn't you know it, a week later the other woman finds out she is pregnant.
I spent all of my pregnancy and the first year our son's life two states away due to my job (dream career and I was/still am the breadwinner). The woman who ended up pregnant shortly after me is batshit motherd*cking crazy... suicide attempts, withholding their child because he doesn't want to be in a relationship with her, threatening court, threatening to call the police for kidnapping when he has the child and he goes out, moving, claiming he hit her and filing for DV charges, etc.. etc... January of this year, SO and I were talking about me moving closer, everything worked out fine, I found a job in my career field, got an apartment, etc and the crazy just ramped up with this female.
Consistently putting my foot down and creating boundaries and refusing to interact with BSC BM and limiting SD1 over my house has really made things minimal. SO has also called her bluff on moving, court, etc which has taken a lot of wind out of her sails. She also knows I will in no way, shape or form, roll around in the mud with her via phone games or text messages.
My relationship with BM2 is friendly and amicably. We hang out from time to time and get the boys together. SD2, I enjoy immensely and I could really see myself loving him as my own. He also looks a lot like my BS and they have similar personalities.
Due to BSC BM and her terrible, awful parenting, I do not care for SD1. I have a HUGE feeling that SD1 is not SO's, he looks NOTHING like his brothers or SO, but that's not my place and if SO claims him, then I can't do anything about that. Additionally, most of my dislike for the child is due to his mother. BSC BM has threatened violence and name calling SD2 as an infant (she called SD2 a piece of sh*t) and has terrorized BM2. Either way, SD1, he's not a bad child, but VERY undisciplined at his mother's hands who constantly undermines SO, and I know he's a toddler, but as an example, we took all 3 boys to visit FMIL before she flew back to her home island. SD2 was just starting to walk so he stayed close to the porch. BS and SD1 were playing, not far, from the porch. They were getting close to the street and I called for them to come back. BS immediately turns around and comes back to a comfortable distance. SD1 just keeps going like he didn't even hear me. SO calls him and starts to walk towards him, SD1 looks back, grins and takes off at FULL SPEED for the road with a car careening around the corner at the same time.
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With that back history, what advice can you give me for being a future stepmom?
SO and I are serious about moving forward together as a couple and SO understands that he is the parent. He does all of the work for his children, but I feel as his future life partner, we're in this together and as long as respect is the forefront, I have no problem playing an active role in the lives of his other boys.
My SO has been proving that he will have my back when it comes to the kids. He disciplines SD1 on the rare occasions that he is in my home/presence and reinforces the expectations I have for BS onto SD1 because earlier on, BS picked up some of SD1's nasty non-listening habits and due to the fact that our child rearing mindsets are similar.
I am NOT rushing into this relationship as I hate drama and there's still a bit that needs to be done before I will say yes to him 100% such as squaring away a custody order with SD1 and BSC BM so the nonsense ceases. Despite being with SO, albeit unstably, for 5 years, we are laying a true foundation for a solid situation and I've requested that we go to counseling.
Thank you for this sincere
Thank you for this sincere and detailed advice. This is what I was looking for, I don't want to go into this with blinders or some wild expectations of a happy, blended family.
I will sit down and go over all of this with SO, including making sure BOTH BMs have guidelines via court.
Having just read your post
Having just read your post could you please clarify if I'm understanding this correctly -you & SO have a son together, then SO has SD1 with BM who fell pregnant shortly after you did. I don't really understand where SD2 fits in -did SO have another child with the BM of SD1 after you & he decided to try again for the sake of your son? Or is SD2 the product of his liaison with yet another woman while he was together with you?
I am confused too. Please
I am confused too. Please explain.
Bugger, just spit coke all
Bugger, just spit coke all over my monitor!
Yes, correct, thank you for
Yes, correct, thank you for clarifying!
Real person, promise. And
Real person, promise. And yes, I agree that it's not a good idea at all to get married anytime soon. I don't have a desire for that right now.
Oops, thank you for the acronym clarification.
Why are you settling down
Why are you settling down with the town He-Whore????
OMG. Either ya'll are some swingers, or you are DUMB.
Yes, we are swingers and I've
Yes, we are swingers and I've had 2x as many sexual partners as SO.
These poor kids.
These poor kids.
Really? I accept all
Really? I accept all comments, but criticizing my lifestyle by implying that my child will have anything less than a healthy life is just rude and ignorant.
These kids have a father that
These kids have a father that is hopping from woman to woman. At least one mom is ok with the bed hopping. Yeah, I feel sorry for the kids involved in this.
It is your opinion and while
It is your opinion and while I disagree, thank you for your thoughts.
THIS I can't understand why
THIS
I can't understand why any of these women want to deal with Johnny Appleseed. The other two BMs are lucky because they no longer habe to put up with the loser. More than likely he was sleeping with alld three at the same time. Hell, there may be more bed buddies who didn't get pregnant or had abortions. Do be surprised if more BMs and kids start popping out of the wood work.
He's a loser because he
He's a loser because he happens to have 3 small children? This confuses the hell out of me. How is he a loser?
He provides for all of his children... financially, emotionally, and physically. He has stepped up to the plate of fatherhood 100%.
I can't tell you what to post, but if you're going to criticize, at least use what I posted.
We're swingers, not deadbeats.
He's a loser because he had 3
He's a loser because he had 3 kids with 3 women in 2 years. He was sleeping with at least two of you at the same time.
Ok, definitely a new
Ok, definitely a new definition of a loser to me. I don't care if he slept with us at the same time. That doesn't bother me because this is my lifestyle choice to have multiple partners. If it bothers you, I can't do anything about that, but I would like more advice on the situation at hand instead of pointing out things that can't be changed.
Thank you everyone for the
Thank you everyone for the comments, I really appreciate all of them. Sorry for the confusion.
Ktq is right,thank you for clarifying.
Also, I am STD tested every 3 months because I am not monogamous, never have been in any of my relationships (swinger lifestyle).
Condoms are not 100%, people always toss that around, and while I understand why, I'm looking at my birth control failure right now who was my one and only scare that turned into reality.
I promise I am NOT thinking marriage at all right now. I have no desire to get married right now or within the next 3 years, but I would like to explore having a serious relationship with this man. This means accepting his children.
I'm not a troll so I will take everything thrown at me, that's the reason why I'm here. I want to make sure I am not looking at this situation with rose colored glasses.
I understand that my SO has 3 kids by 3 different women in 3 years. I can't change that situation. Literally, it still boggles me because I was with him for 3 years prior to any of the kids and our lifestyle was the same. Maybe these choices just caught up with us?
We can only make different choices going forward.
I have told SO that there will be no solid commitment from me until boundaries are firmly laid and our foundation is strong. He's the one asking for something serious. It's something we've talked on and off about for the entirety of our relationship but we were young, immature college kids. Emotionall and mentally, neither of us could handle a serious anything.
That's what's changed is the emotional and mental levels for both of us. SO and I have an excellent coparenting relationship and we've both discussed and agreed we'd never be together just for our son, this is something we'd like.
I will speak to SO about the court thing as he has the paperwork, he's just not ready for the battle.
I really am open to all comments and criticism.
If there isn't a solid
If there isn't a solid comment, that means he is free to sleep around and end up making more babies.
Maybe the "crazy"BM didnt know she was dealing with a swinger. It's possible she snapped when she realized who/what she was dealing with.
If he does, he knows he'll
If he does, he knows he'll only ever see me for pick ups, drop offs and school events. I can't control another human's actions so if he wants to do that, then the consequences is never having anything more than a civil relationship for coparenting purposes.
Also, she knew. He told her in front of me shortly before I moved.
Thank you tog, you were not
Thank you tog, you were not judgmental at all, but honest.
I agree and know that my son was unplanned. It actually through a huge wrench into my life. I made an abortion appointment twice (please no comments about this) and even went to counseling. I deliberated internally up until the very limit that I could have a safe and legal abortion. I did want children, but not at that moment.
This is one of SO's biggest regrets about how his children came to being. I can ONLY speak on what he tells me, but swinging activity has stopped on his end.
And I have not been with anyone since I found out I was pregnant.
I am not trying to justify our sexual activity as OK with children (I don't think I did). I believe I even stated that we were speaking on being in a committed, monogamous relationship.
I've never been in one so I'm cautious and one of the reasons I'm here because the children are here from a lifestyle choice, not due to divorce etc.
I am hopeful but not stupid or crazy in love, but I do believe SO can settle down. As I've stated, I'm not the one that bought up a relationship. His actions within the past year show he's serious about growing in maturity. I know change does not happen quickly, but I want to give this possibility some real thought when the man in question is putting in work to clean up past actions.
You've all given me some things to think on.
Thank you, a lot.
Haha, it's funny you mention
Haha, it's funny you mention moving in. He's asked twice, each time was a fuck no. I told him, besides our son, I will not be living with anyone who I'm not married or intending to be married to.
Yes, I agree again. He's getting a good grip on things now, but there are still way too many loose ends (mostly scheduling and some small boundaries) which he knows about that need to be taken care of before we can move forward at all.
My son is my first priority. I don't have drama in my life, I don't keep bad company and I refuse to allow someone else to bring that to us. I look at him whenever I think of having a serious relationship with his father because his dad comes with baggage. SO knows that I play no games and any wind of bullshit, I am gone.
He's seen me cut people and move on... family members included.
Thank you for your thoughts,
Thank you for your thoughts, but I'd read my comments. I stated many times I have no desire or intentions to get married any time soon.
Also my son is the oldest and I wobbled back and forth deciding if I was going to keep until I legally had to make a decision. The other woman did not announce she was pregnant until shortly after.
When the decision was made, SO and I were both under the impression that he was an only child.
ETA: Also I have semi-permanent birth control I changed to after DS's birth with no need to remember to schedule for a shot, take a pill or change anything. Trust me, no more kids for me for a LONG time.
Thank you sueu2, very much.
Thank you sueu2, very much. That really, really means a lot to hear that. I know that in situations like this, the woman is generally weak-willed or desperate, but I truly do not believe that I am or that my actions say that I am.
Oh, wow, thank you for that link! Right now, SO mainly communicates with BSC BM via text because she cannot be trusted and regularly twists words. I think this would be great for them.
Yes, he is financially responsible for our son. He takes care of half of everything and if DS needs something extra, he takes care of that as well. If he cannot do it financially, he picks up in other ways, such as earlier this year, shortly after we moved to be closer, he was laid off for two months and he stayed home with DS to cut childcare costs. We swap times when DS is sick so not one person is always home with him and wiping out their sick time. I had a hospital stay due to meningitis and was quarantined for a week, he picked up all of the slack and kept the ship running smoothly.
We also had a conversation a few days ago about him picking up more daily duties with DS such as taking care of his laundry and making sure lunch is packed and breakfast is prepped on the evenings that he has him to make things easier on me.
I will continue to do what I am doing... keeping firm boundaries, and keeping my standards and expectations up. A lot of this falls on me and not accepting anything less than what me and my son deserve and understanding we're not responsible for SO's life choices.
I don't have an issue with a
I don't have an issue with a Swinger lifestyle, but when kids are involved I do think it should be kept from them. The fact that your SO has had three "oopsie" kids in 2 years tells me these aren't accidents that were being actively avoided. I highly doubt all three women were using reliable protection, as well as SO, and all three resulted in "accidental" babies. Certainly no birth control is fool proof.... but 3 times???? That is a little excessive. I gander SO kind of doesn't mind spreading his seed around. If he does, he sure isn't doing much about it.
That said, unless he is a millionaire, providing for 3 children financially will be near impossible. Emotionally and physically? Come on. Non-exisitant.
You sound like a smart lady who is in charge of her life and herself. Is this nit wit man really "the one"?
Furkidsforme, I can't speak
Furkidsforme, I can't speak on the other women. I also won't assume the other two were on birth control, maybe they weren't. I also won't assume SO was being responsible (obviously not), the only ones that know the truth are them. I don't question what other people do unless it directly affects me. It didn't at the time and really still doesn't now because I can't change it, but I understand why you bring it up. His actions going forward are 180 different from his actions then, so while I take the past into account, I also take the present to help predict future behavior. Presently, he is a complete stranger from the person he was then, but I am also not foolish to believe that all habits just disappear into space.
I don't know what he contributes to the other children. I know he provides for them and sees them regularly (from my own personal observations and direct interaction, not just his words). I do know he provides for our child and makes one-on-one time a priority with him. I know it's hard, SO goes without a lot personally.
I never said he was the one, stated frequently I am not rushing off to the altar, but that's why I'm here for advice to help me see if the consideration I am giving to a serious relationship with this man is worthwhile with the additional baggage of other children and the uniqueness that is being a stepparent.
sueu2, I was going to bring
sueu2, I was going to bring that up, but apparently a man with 3 kids cannot possibly be providing for his children. Would he suddenly be able to provide for them if all of the kids were by one woman and he was married?
Oh well, I am rolling with the punches and even with the criticism, I can still learn something.
I was going to mention this
I was going to mention this too. My dh has 2 kids with bm and 2 with me and we are all provided for very well, both needs and most wants. He is by no means a millionaire.
Thank you, I really like the
Thank you, I really like the quote in your signature about being alone than coupled and unhealthy. I agree with that 100%. While I don't want to be alone, my son did not ask to be here and he relies on me to give him the best chance a healthy childhood and life. I cannot change how he got here and who his father, but I do take 100% responsibility for my choice in men and I won't have the negatively affect him.