Divorced parents face conflict over dad's GF at graduation: Carolyn Hax gets it very wrong!
I do not think she gets it! Which is a shame, i actually kinda like C. Hax. But here she is allowing a bully BM, who is adamant that dad is not to bring his GF, to get her way. As a BM, i have to say, it is INSANE to want to sacrifice your kid's celebration to your narrow agenda of sticking it to the ex. Come one, come all - the more guests, the happier the kid.
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Carolyn Hax: Divorced parents face conflict over guest at daughter’s graduation
By Carolyn Hax, Published: November 21
Dear Carolyn:
My daughter “Brooke” is a senior in high school. Her mother and I have been separated six years and divorced for three. We maintain a cordial relationship, and I am allowed great visitation with my daughter.
I have had a girlfriend for 18 months, “Michelle.” We plan on moving in together in April, and I fully expect to invite her to Brooke’s graduation ceremony and a party I am hosting and paying for. My ex-wife adamantly states I cannot bring my girlfriend. I think she may use her position as the parent who lives with my daughter to influence Brooke to agree. I don’t think Brooke cares. She has met my girlfriend many times and even spent the night at her house once.
How do I handle this situation? I think it is childish for my ex-spouse to insist that the woman I will be living with, and dating for over two years by then, not come. Am I being unreasonable?
M.
No. Divorced couples who remain connected as co-parents eventually have to accept each other’s new partners, for the kids’ sake if nothing else: They need to see you both let go of grudges, even the legitimate ones.
This doesn’t mean you can count to 10 and spring a new love on everyone as if it’ll be their fault when they get upset, but you’ve got years of cushioning.
That said, having a valid point doesn’t give you license to dig in — especially not months before the party and before you’ve run it by Brooke. Your cordial divorce suggests you know this, but I’ll say it anyway: It’s better to be decent than right.
Because this is your daughter’s celebration, not yours, and because your ex-wife’s adamancy suggests unhealed wounds, the decent move is to try peacemaking first.
Have you asked why your ex is so insistent? Nonconfrontationally, by acknowledging her feelings as valid? “I know it’s difficult. I’d like to think I’d be welcoming of someone new in your life, though, if only to show Brooke I can be. May I ask why the strong objection?”
Then listen. Give empathy a chance.
Then, since you have time, and assuming you don’t get the answer you want from your ex, you drop it: “I’ll let this rest and try seeing it from your perspective. I hope you’ll do the same for me.” Then use these months to be the model of cooperation vs. I’m-right exasperation. It serves your narrow purpose here, yes, and removes some incentive for your ex to manipulate Brooke. But it’s also just the right thing to do.
If your ex remains adamant next spring, then offer compromises that don’t hit bone. Michelle skips the graduation, for example, but attends the party* with you. Graduations torture spectators anyway, increasingly with each degree of separation from the graduate. (*I’m assuming the party is at a neutral site, because if it’s at your home, then it’s at her home as of April, and we wouldn’t be having this discussion. I hope.)
Or, another compromise: Don’t bring Michelle and be clear it’s the only time you’ll exclude. Why? Because a kid’s rite of passage is a lousy time for parents to road-test their contentious, new-partner reality for the first time. You’ll still be right next time.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/carolyn-hax-divorced-paren...
i agree, she got it wrong.
i agree, she got it wrong. its not like this is a flavor of the week, or an unknown entity.
From the comments (this
From the comments (this commenter makes GREAT points - see the last sentence):
I have to say that I am pretty sad to see so many "for the good of the daughter" posts here today about how if Ex is going to make such a fuss, he should just let this one go so that it doesn't ruin her graduation/party/etc.
Here's why I have a problem with that. I have seen/heard of far too many parents who do this, usually men - and then end up sidelined in the child's life. They lose their voice, they lose their influence and their connections… all because the ex has to be pacified in order for there not to be a stink.
That's not okay. And it's not ACTUALLY "for the good of the daughter" to see that as an example of how to deal with rampant unfairness like that. It's an example of how to be a pushover and take on somebody else's stuff as your responsibility to deal with, to fix. I don't think that's something the daughter needs to learn.
There are a lot of nuances… there always are. And some of them MIGHT mean that for the daughter's benefit, not having Michelle there would be the best thing. But those would be far fewer than the ones where it is more to the daughter's benefit to learn that with divorce come new people who are humans and deserve to be treated with respect, *even if* that is painful and upsetting for other people to deal with. Without slamming other people. Have compassion for them, say don't know what it's so hard for them to deal with, but still not okay and shouldn't be catered to because it means X result and that's hurting people who don't deserve it either. To be able to stand up, calmly and civilly, for fairness in the face of unfairness.
Exactly! Same here - it's
Exactly! Same here - it's like you are talking about my skids. Any "challegers" are removed from the world itself, so that the ones who are still there are scared to even breathe a sigh of dissent. They know what their fate will be.
Totalitarian states work the same way. From Hitler to Stalin.
I know, it struck me as very
I know, it struck me as very telling as well. Sounds like BM is holding the daughter hostage and dad is afraid to irritate the hostage-taker for fear she will retaliate against him. So he is just happy to be allowed visitation.
The gf is in for a life of
The gf is in for a life of misery with the balless man.
The ex still has his balls in her purse and a ring through his nose.
I hope the new GF shows up and ruins the BM's day. LOL!
That guy will certainly be
That guy will certainly be writing for advice again when his daughter graduates college or gets married. Poor Michelle.
WTF? If bio-dad is hosting
WTF?
If bio-dad is hosting AND PAYING for his daughter's graduation ceremony, then the BM has as much say on who gets to go to the party as I have on when NASA should launch the next space shuttle mission.
Whatever happened to party invitation etiquette?
*giggles* u just reminded me
*giggles*
u just reminded me of the time Dumbass wore one to a 7 year old's baseball tournament... classy one, she is
i miss true manners. ones used out of consideration for others. *sigh*
oh but yes. a stick-thin,
oh but yes. a stick-thin, droopy 40-yo adult woman.
i could go on for days about consideration and manners. the traffic law analogy is a good one! i'll have to use that thnx!!!
Hell, I was with my DH for 8
Hell, I was with my DH for 8 years when the oldest stepshit graduated and the extremely jealous BM uninvited me! My DH and his parents were still invited, just I was not allowed to come to the celebration dinner so we had to hold our own. Then the poor kid had to split his day between us and them.
I think it's petty. I was even willing to host the party AND invite BM and her entire family to the celebration. Pettiness and jealousy are pathetic.
At the graduation she refused to look at me even though I smiled and said hello to her and had to stand next to her for a very long time while all the pictures were taken.
I think Carolyn and BM are in
I think Carolyn and BM are in the wrong.
Limited - shlimited! My YSD
Limited - shlimited! My YSD graduated last June. The tickets were limited alright - by the BM, who was adamant that I should not attend. My DH refused to go without me and told SD he was ashamed of her for not inviting me. She promptly dis-invited him too. He decreed we would not go, as she was not offering us any tickets at all at that time.
Well... here is what we did eventually: called the school, got us 2 tickets, went to the ceremony, watched her get her diploma and then left without talking to any of the ex-family. We had no intention of dealing with the hostility of the skids and BM, but it mattered to DH that he be there, and it mattered to me to support him. We also stated clearly - if non-verbally - that we are a team, and will not be dictated to. The only reason she graduated from that high school was because he worked 12-hour days and commuted hours each way - for years, before the divorce AND after. YSD has some nerve to tell him whether to come or not or who to bring.
She had no emotional maturity or interest in doing what the commenter above mentioned: NOT hurting people who don't deserve it. To be able to stand up, calmly and civilly, for fairness in the face of unfairness.
No, i insisted that my DH
No, i insisted that my DH call the school and get us tickets to a public event. Because even if my skids are brain-washed and misguided, and my SIL apologized to me for their behavior around graduation, I am a mature adult who takes a long-term view of things. It is wrong for the father not to be at his daughter's graduation. The YSD did not want either of us there bc BM said so. We do not let BM call the shots. We do what we think is best under the circumstances.
I attended the YSD's graduation on the arm of my husband who put three children through that very good school in a very expensive suburb. 3 kids over a period of 19 years... if taxes were about 13K per year... i am guessing.. even if half of that goes towards the schools.. it would be around 120,000 that he paid to the school district. For that amount of money, the assistant principal should have been delivering the tickets in person and serving him champagne when he arrived. Naturally, he does not attend milestone events without his wife. Case closed.
As a BM i have to say that not in a MILLION years can i imagine saying to anyone who wants to come and celebrate with my kids - no, you cannot come, and definitely you cannot bring your partner. In my universe things do not work that way. My ex has never come to my kids' elem. or middle school graduations - even though i made sure every time to send tickets with the boys for him and for his wife, and her family. Or to send links to the ticket order form. No one showed up - not once. Kids were told, dad has to work.
That's a problem.
I see you keep coming to ST -
I see you keep coming to ST - even though no one wants you here???
Taking a bow and fluttering
Taking a bow and fluttering my eyelids... thank you, thank you!
I may need to borrow your signature line, IJTF!
Are you being sarcastic?
Are you being sarcastic?
apologies! I posted in the
apologies! I posted in the wrong spot and don't know how to delete
No one is requiring everyone
No one is requiring everyone to sit together. I don't understand why these things are a big deal. Both sets of parents can go and sit together or separately if they're not civil enough to show a united front (ticket permitting).
These things CREATE drama where it doesn't need to exist.
I don't get it either... SD
I don't get it either...
SD has an upcoming church thing and BM is trying to make sure I don't go.... Ummmm, church is public...
I don't know. I see this a
I don't know. I see this a little differently, I guess.
For one, graduation is this kid's moment to shine. The LAST thing she should have to deal with his her parents bickering for ANY reason, and YES, I realize, BM is wrong. On the other hand, "Michelle" hasn't even moved in yet. This kid is old enough to be a senior in high school. So, it's not as if "Michelle" has had a hand in raising the child. She's dad's girlfriend. Honestly, this wouldn't be the hill I'd die on.
Now, as for the party, since BM has made it clear that she can't get along, she wouldn't be invited to a party I was hosting/paying for. That's where, if I were the biodad, I'd make it clear that Michelle would be by my side, and BM could get stuffed.
I totally agree Norma Jean.
I totally agree Norma Jean.
I had two kids that graduated
I had two kids that graduated from HS and both times there have been limited amounts of tickets for the family. If there is a ticket limit and there are family members that want to be there, then girlfriend is out for the ceremony. Sorry, she doesn't need to be there, family trumps girlfriends.
Now the party is a different kettle of fish. If dad is hosting and paying for it he can have anyone there he wants.
But really, this is about the child and this is her special day. I would hope adults would act like adults and put the child first and not make this an awkward, drama filled situation for her.
It's my party and I'll invite
It's my party and I'll invite who I want. However the honoree of the party, in this case the graduate, has a say also. I'd grab the girl now and ask if she has objections "Any reason (intended) can't be invited?". Don't beat around the bush. If the girl shows grief because she doesn't want to 'offend' mother then don't invite the intended.