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Seeking advice - not married yet, wide range of challenges

Zedman's picture

Hi all, my first post here after reading a lot, very useful information here including what I found about 'disengagement' which I'm mulling over.

I'll try to be brief while also sharing the major points. Clearly I arrived here for a reason.

Basis:
I am in love with a great woman, she's a single Mom, raised her two 16yo twin girls without the bf in their life whatsoever. I knew this girl 20 years ago and now we are engaged, living together, aiming to be a 4-person family, I aim to be as much of a parental role as I can while knowing I am not 'the' father, and at over a year together much progress has been made, and also many walls have been hit.

Challenges:
What drove me here for advice is that recently after me trying for at least 6 months to point out that one stepdaughter is highly likely as a case of ADHD (and I would know/see it) and I don't mean light, my fiancé (the mom) has only this week FINALLY admitted that some of the things we've been observing in the one daughter, and behaviours that have been causing us grief and arguments for months, may need a deeper look. She has been in denial, as she does with MANY MANY other things. I am trying my best to be a good guy, contribute where I should, be polite and quiet where I should be, and basically trying to build a relationship with this woman and the girls.

As we try to deal with discussions about things like this serious ADHD topic, or even less serious things like chores, she defends the girls all the time, concedes points to me only after very long arguments, and most importantly, often does not appear to be on my side, or want me on hers. Since we got engaged and before, I've always said "as long as we work through things together, I believe we will do well together. When she's defending, closed, stubborn and difficult, it doesn't feel we're on the same team at all.

To share some examples of what I mean, consider the following, and the side-effect of these situations is that I feel myself gradually withdrawing or at least not wanting to invest the time and effort into looking out for the girls. I do care for their long term welfare, and yet keep getting bitten by Mom who says she respects my opinions, but constantly disrespects them, defends against me, and argues about things.

Situations/examples:
- her girls have atrocious table manners, eg, they are 16 and a list of manners 6yo's should know is even more than they're doing
- when I originally brought up the table manners as delicately as I could with just the mom, we had huge arguments, and only after months did she finally start trying to get the girls to improve their manners
- the floor was not mopped well, as a result of the one child not putting any effort into it. Mom's response: maybe she doesn't have the strength to mop well (she's a 16 year old 5'9" girl). Her second response was "maybe the mop isn't good"
- dirty toilet after being "cleaned" by the daughter - we're talking untouched toilet seat, so not clean at all - response: if we had a white seat it would be easier to see it's dirty (it was obvious)
- even something as simple as locking the condo door (I live in a ground-floor condo), she argued not saying "i'll try" but rather rationalizing that she can't lock it because she's not used to doing that. This went on for months, literally, arguing about locking an external door.
- lights - I am the only one who turns off lights in our condo. I am a bit green-minded, not crazy that way but at least turn off lights when not in use. She defends her girls and her saying "in our last condo we didn't have to pay for electricity so we never shut lights off". We don't pay here either, but the point is lost clearly.
- while doing a screening test for parents to fill out, about their kids potentially having ADHD, which I got from my own doctor to try to help US assess her daughter's situation, mom decided she didn't want to give high scores on any attributes regardless of the question. Part way through the survey she got upset because clearly her daughter was getting flying colours for ADHD flags. She got upset, and finally accused me saying "you just want her to show up as having autism", which is obviously a) denial, and b) insulting and hurtful.

Needless to say, to summarize into one single issue, she is very defensive as a Mom, it creates a rift between us constantly when all I'm trying to do is my best at being an involved step-parent and team-mate for the mother. I wish she'd give me more of a feeling we were in it together, but I get more that we are adversaries. I am a single guy with no kids trying to be a valuable member of the 4 of us, and it doesn't seem she realizes even in the least that there's some obligations she has to meet me half way.

I am becoming more than just a bit concerned, and when I read here and realize that 'disengaging' sounds like a good way for me to stop getting upset, upsetting her, and that I might be better stepping back on the parenting. That said, if I do that I will feel I'm disengaging from the entire relationship, because since the beginning my hopes were to do my best with all 3 of them, not just the mother.

Extra details: The girls are nice, and while they are typical teens, they're pretty good for teens, which I know and realize all the time. I often say that it's not the girls that are the challenge, it's their mother, and I do believe this is the case.

The more I read and find, the more it seems that if changes aren't taking place now, they won't later. I also see that if the girls are raised a certain way up until now, age 16 isn't when to try to change things.

Anyways, sometimes things are GREAT, and other times I feel like the odd man out, and that I am not wanted in the parenting role, and that my contributions and wants are realized. I honestly don't know if marriage makes sense and while it breaks my heart to think of going any other way, I know here there is a lot of experience and so I ask for advice from the group.

Thank you!

not2sureimsaneanymore's picture

I think in any situation, it would be hard to change habits that have been going on for more than a decade--your wife's raging case of denial. I think pre-marital counseling is a supremely good idea before you tie the knot. If she isn't open to it, I'd say you got bigger problems than just some stepdaughters-to-be with ADHD. This is a woman you will always be unsure as to where your place is, because she will change based on the situation when it suits her.

Also, your house, your ground rules. Sit down and set them with your future wife, and have HER in charge of enforcing it. If she doesn't, then the blame lies with her and only her, "You were supposed to make sure that this was done. Why didn't you? I need you to be on top of these things." instead of "The girls didn't finish xxx again." The first places the responsibility on the mother's shoulders, the second on the children's.

Finally, explain that you won't be involved in the parental decision making process (which, although hard to come to terms with at first, is probably the best idea--step back, don't expect anything from the girls, solely have expectations for your wife, which includes that she set acceptable expectations for the girls.) unless she can be consistent in backing you up and not changing just because she feels guilty somehow.

I wish you the best of luck. Again, premarital counseling, more to help your wife grow up and learn to communicate like an adult instead of lashing out with her gut feelings than anything else.

Zedman's picture

Thank you not2sure, all good suggestions. We actually have made it to counseling already, and I've also read a wealth of couple books as well as 2 step-parenting books as I tried to get my head in the game and be prepared for what's to come. It seems on these forums that the experienced folks are leaning towards what you're saying which is making her responsible for enforcement, and me holding her accountable. I suppose in that respect it's a kind of 'disengagement' but one where it's not disconnection from everyone, more from the girls and therefore as you said relying on her to enforce. Will discuss that and see where it heads.

Even with counseling, I don't think it really opened her eyes to her defensiveness. She acts as she acts (for example the girl can't mop because maybe she lacks the strength), and only much later when I insist that her excuse is bull!@$ does she eventually meet me 1/2 way. It's an unrewarding half-way-meeting, that's for sure, like pulling teeth.

I think underneath the ongoing struggle, I'm also concerned about where the ADHD may land us. At the current time mom doesn't want to admit it's even possible, is warming up to it only, however that doesn't really bode well for a future in which we will need to work even more together as a team in light of the extra challenge, tolerance and understanding ADHD may mean in the household.

Thanks for the insights and again all input appreciated, I have been wading through things myself for quite a while but am excited at the prospect of chatting here with like-minded or similar situation folks.

Orange County Ca's picture

For heavens sake these girls are 16 years old and you think you should come in and save them? Listen millions of girls are growing up in the world and way way over 99.9%% of them are growing up just fine. Every last one of them without any help from you.

All this argueing and bickering, for what end? In just a couple of years you'll have perhaps changed one or two bad habits and they'll be off in the world where the inhabitants thereof will change their habits in the blink of an eye. Oh maybe they'll have to lose a few friends or jobs along the way but in the end they'll be useful citizens.

Leave them alone. Let Mom do the parenting, she'll get all the credit and blame anyway and no matter what you do you'll get neither one.

Take a gander at the link below and follow it to a nice read which if you take seriously will change your life from one of distress to peace.

http://steptogether.org/disengaging.html

Zedman's picture

Orange County, I see what you're saying, and it's definitely realistic. I did read about disengaging already but I suppose I have a question about that.

When I got engaged, it was under the pretense that I was going to try, and my fiance agreed and wanted me to, participate in the parenting with her as a partner, be whatever kind of parent role made sense and worked for me, her, and the girls, and that we were trying to form a team (the two of us) to go forward in life as. This was the guise under which we intended to build our relationship, and get married.

There are lots of guys who probably don't mind letting their woman raise her kids, and have themselves nothing to do with the process, but for me that wasn't my #1 choice. I was raised by great parents, and considering my fiance doesn't have any biological father of the girls anywhere in her life, and that the girls never once had a single guy to look up to or interact with until me, she and I both wanted me to try to do something meaningful. I have not and likely won't become a biological parent since we're both 40 now, and so I wanted to try to contribute here, not to "come in and save them" but to try to enhance their life where I can, and share in the responsibility with my fiance, the mother.

And so given that we're not married yet, I am now looking at the prospect of disengaging, which even the mention of to my fiance seems offensive, and even to me seems to be a) possibly a good way to proceed within the relationship, but also b) less than what I originally intended to be in this relationship.

I do get the feeling as you say, that it's too late to try to make a huge difference to these girls, however I still live with them, unless I choose to break it all off. I am now feeling naive that I thought I could make a difference here, and am now realizing that maybe I'm both not needed, and that my input isn't welcome either.

Not sure what exactly to do, but the considerations I'm getting shared with me are most appreciated folks, thank you. Will be looking into Disengaging but I'm not sure that's the full type of relationship I was looking for, and I suppose sadly the most disengaged relationship I could have would be with someone that doesnt have kids, which is not altogether great to realize given my hopes were with this woman.

Executivestepmother's picture

Sir... you better REALLY REALLY love her and have some amazing communication if you want to marry her. IT DOES NOT GET EASIER, and NOTHING CHANGES for the better with Step-children when you get married.

MY advise... GET OUT WHILE YOU STILL CAN!!!