Problems with grown step sons
Hello,
I'm new here and so grateful to have found this forum. I've been at this step mom thing for 20 years, since the boys were 8,6 and 4. They're now 30, 28 and 26, and the dynamic is much the same as when they were little. They're demanding, needy, quick to anger. Expert at manipulating their dad. My husband coddles them and is constantly helping them. I find out after the fact. When I object, hubby complains of being in the middle. I won't go into years of detail, just laying down the pattern.
The boys (men!) live with their birth mom in a rental house. The only car in the household is one we gave to middle son, 28. He was supposed to pay for it but never did, my husband let that slide without a word. Middle son is a landscaper who works sporadically, and hardly at all during the winter. We have an empty lot, doing nothing but collecting taxes, so we told him he could use it in some kind of business capacity. What he really wanted was for dad to bankroll him by buying expensive equipment, but use of the land was what we granted him.
He showed up last fall with a group of buddies and a chainsaw that he "borrowed" from dad, which I know we'll never get back. He also brought a fire barrel. When I saw the fire barrel the next day I told my husband I didn't want fires down there, and he needed to tell middle son that. Next time MS came over (so dad could fix the brakes on his car), we were all chatting after, and I waited for my H to bring up the fire issue. Nothing. So I brought it up. No fires. But why, MS asked twice. He can be very argumentative, so I just kept shaking my head and saying no fires. I asked him to take the barrel away, but he said he'd have to come back with a truck.
He came back twice to work in the lot during the fall, never removed the barrel and nothing at all over the winter. Winter of course is when he could have been selling firewood. Then yesterday, April 7th, I pull up my driveway to see a bunch of guys in the lot, chainsaw sounds, etc. Why, in April? Made no sense to me. Today, I pulled into the lot to look around. The fire barrel was tipped on it's side with the remnants of a fire. There was a pile of empty beer bottles, Red Bull cans, etc. I loaded the barrel into the back of my truck and called husband. First he said they're not burning down there...honey, yes they are. Then he said it didn't make any difference to him. I said I wanted to think and talk some more about it, but I'm considering revoking MS use of the lot. H said, maybe I'll leave that between you and MS.
I welcome any and all advice about how to handle this issue. I hope to use it as a way to break the evil spell we've all been under for 20 years. I purposefully had the no fire talk with middle son while dad was there. I thought we had a deal. Now I'm realizing that there's a disconnect between what matters most to me, and what makes no difference to my husband. He seems to place his children's needs above mine. He gets a free pass tonight because of a really bad day at work. For now, the damn barrel is in my truck and the next move is mine, baby. I hope to patient, loving and kind about it. MS relies on anger and circular arguments, so I must come from an unwavering calm resolve. Never mind about the not going into detail part! Look forward to hearing from you, thanks for listening.
As per my other post "When
As per my other post "When someone shows you who they are believe them" - maya angelo
These are pathetic man-boys. Why are they in your life? They are not your children. They do not sound like model citizens.
Not sure about where you live but most places where I have lived fires like that are SO ILLEGAL. Ever watch some of those horrible fires on tv?
I'd call the authorities and press charges on their stupid butts.
BABY HUEY! ROFL ... almost
BABY HUEY! ROFL ... almost spit out my drink. I have the visual and it's so appropos!
Thanks all for your replies.
Thanks all for your replies. We don't want to sell the lot right now, so let's leave that out of the equation for the moment. The lot is in my husband's name anyway, although I seriously doubt he'd pull that card. I will mention selling to him. As far as helping the boy/men, 'lending' tools, that comes from my husband. Typically I find out about such transactions after the fact. I bet there's a lot I don't even know about.
StepAside, you make the point that my husband made, which was, this is between me and MSS. Clearly I'm on my own here. In the past, I would have probably brow beaten H for his lack of support, and coddling his sons. Not this time. I'm going to stay calm and think about the best way to proceed. So far, it appears that I have no choice but to make a unilateral decision, but I'm waiting for a better idea.
Today I'm moving the fire barrel to the shed. Not ready to do anything else yet. It occurs to me though, that if my husband and I aren't on the same page about the boy/men, that the evil spell will continue for the rest of our lives. I recently started seeing a therapist, who is also a marriage and family counselor, so I'm glad to have a place to work this out. She's going to get an earful on Thursday! No doubt I'll need to bring hubby in too. Thanks for listening, I really appreciate it.
Just to clarify, MSS doesn't
Just to clarify, MSS doesn't know the land is in my husband's name. I'd be shocked if my DH came out with the "it's legally mine", so I'll do what I want bit. Although he does do whatever the boy/men want, no matter how outlandish. You're probably right that this is a losing battle. For now, I'll be content with having removed the barrel to the shed, and lay this particular incident to rest, to focus on the bigger picture.
I'm pretty disengaged already from my SS's already, except for holidays and the odd visit. All the manipulating goes on behind the scenes. They call Dad on his cell and I don't know what he's agreed to until it happens, if I find out at all. I could disengage further I suppose by not expressing any opinions at all and let them carry on as they will. But then we're still stuck in the same old unhealthy patterns, the only difference being, I shut up about it.
I've decided to shut up about it for now, until such time I can get my husband into therapy with me. We can talk about it there, which means waiting a couple weeks. The main issue for me is that he doesn't care how I feel, that he doesn't put our marriage and me first. I used to bitch about it, which is why they operate in secret now. That tactic failed. I haven't disengaged yet from the hope that my husband might see the light, with therapy. Perhaps I'm naive to think he or my SS's will ever change. I'm busy catching up on all your stories, so much to learn here. Thanks for your input, it helps.