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Pros and Cons of Disengaging?

tree102678's picture

I was hoping to get some insight on this topic as I have been researching it alot lately. To anyone that has disengaged or thinking of doing so.....what do you foresee as being the Pros and Cons to it? Those of you that have disengaged.....can you give me the nutshell version of the good, bad and ugly to disengaging?

I will try to reply tomorrow as I need some sleep...I need my beauty rest LOL.

Thanks for all the help from some very insightful people....Big Hugs!

3familiesIn1's picture

My experience so far:

PROS:
- less stress on my marriage with DH thinking I hate his kids
- less stress on me personally feeling responsible for the skids whom I never had any control over
- more control over myself

CONS:
- SS6 and i didn't get along before, now I am a ghost in my house to him
- DH is left on his own without any involment from me where his kids are concerned as far as school, expectations, general behavior and rules - how they turn out is going to be unfortunate
- my bios have rules and expectations and sometimes feel its unfair to them

What I don't know is where to go from here. Can I really live in a house for 12 years with strangers - because that is basically what SD and SS are becoming, SS is 6. At a minimum there are 12 more years. He ignores me now, we don't speak, SD12 and I have some contact and get along ok but I see distance coming. What happens next? If the skids fail in life, will DH still point the finger at me?

LRP75's picture

Pros:

- My life is my own again.
- I no longer have to worry about things that are not mine to worry about (God, grant me the ability to accept the things I cannot change).
- My DH and I no longer fight over the SKIDS.
- My DH has stepped up to the plate to be a father to his kids and many of the *worst* behaviors have been dealt with.
- I don't deal with BM AT ALL. Thus, I have ZERO drama from her.
- The less that I am involved with the SKIDS, the less BM PAS's them from their father - so the SKIDS are happier and healthier.
- The SKIDS get more time with their father, SD10 rarely feels that she has to compete with me anymore, SS10 is... well, "coming around."
- I feel like I have my sanity again. I defined what behaviors I wouldn't put up with to my DH, told him he would have to deal with them or I would, and I don't concern myself with the rest.
- I come on here to vent about the stuff that DOES bother me, but I don't vent to my DH about most of it - and now we don't fight over the petty sh*t anymore.
- They simply are. not. my. kids. and. i. am. NOT. responsible. for. them. Key word: Responsible. I am NOT their parent and it is NOT my place to act as one. Those children already have two parents that are, in their ways, taking responsible for them. It's freeing to actually accept this FACT.
- The SKIDS are actually a *little* afraid of me because I am the only person in their life that quietly and respectfully asks them to quit acting the way they are. I don't tolerate their crap. This makes them fear me. I also respect their boundaries, their belongings, their time with their father - and I fully expect them to do the same for me. Not being overly involved and disengaging has allowed me to step back and breath. Now, in our own ways, we are actually beginning to slowly build some mutual respect.

Cons:

1. The judgements ("Evil Step-Mom" label) from people who still buy into the "Brady Bunch Fantasy" idea of what a blended family should look like when they've never blended a family before and really have no f*cking clue what it's really like.

^ But really, I don't give a crap what people think. It's just annoying to have to expend the energy to roll my eyes at them. I've got better things to do. I usually offer up an afternoon with the SKIDS, you know, in the event that they feel they can do better than I can. People (including family) who know those kids, won't even come around when they are around because of how bad they act. So... yeah.

2. It hurt my husband - AT FIRST - for him to realize that I "want nothing to do with his kids." HOWEVER, he loves how we no longer fight over the SKIDS anymore. So the ends justify the means and we are a much, much happier couple for it.

I hope that helps. I could come up with more pros if needed.

The trick is to not be all balls out, "I hate your kids and want nothing to do with them."

A Step has to start slowly. Take baby steps. When a situation arises with a SKID, ask the bio, "And what do YOU feel about that?" Or, "And what do YOU plan on doing about that?"

Those are two very basic questions and the answers to which are very, very important.

If the bio doesn't feel that X, Y, or Z is a problem - then neither should you (unless the SKID is being abused). But if the bio doesn't care that their child won't bathe or brush their teeth, why should you? If the bio doesn't care that their child can't read or is failing math, why should you? That child is NOT your child. YOU are not their parent. YOU have zero control. If the bio doesn't see it as a problem, it's not a problem.

Then, if the bio doesn't plan on doing anything about it. (shrug). So be it. If bio has a plan to take care of X, Y, or Z - support them. Let them do all of the work. I lift my DH up by telling him, "That sounds great. Good job dad." Even if I didn't wholey agree with him. But you know what happened? He started stepping up more and more. He started making more complex decisions. He started dealing with more of their bad behavior.

I just let HIM be their dad. I mean, wow. Imagine that! Biggrin

It was hard for me to keep my mouth shut at first. But it gets easier as time goes by. And boy oh boy, do I enjoy having that mental space back.

newmommy05's picture

I have a question though...you say "If the bio doesn't feel that X, Y, or Z is a problem - then neither should you" but what if you and dh have kid(s) together? Then what? Because if dad doesn't think x, y, or z is a problem with his kids, but you think it is a problem for your kids together, then its two sets of rules pertaining to two sets of kids. I can totally see how being disengaged with your spouse's kids can work, I'm just starting to see that would totally f up the kids you have with DH.

Helena.Handbasket's picture

Different parents, different ways of raising them. I know its not really that simple and can seem unfair, but in order for my child to be raised properly the rules my child has will be very different than the ones his kids had with BM.

LRP75's picture

I entered into this relationship with realistic expectations about this. In short: My DH and I are not having any children together BECAUSE of the situation with his kids/BM and his inability to deal with them. Why would I want to do that to myself? Why would I want to bring another child into this mess? I would be a freaking lunatic if I had a another child in this house that I had to worry about, protect, and provide for with the way his SKIDS and BM act.

No thanks. I choose sanity.

My DH is what he is and is only capable of what he is capable of. I accept his limitations. To think that he would *magically* become a different man and/or father for our own child would be delusional. To think that the SKIDS would *magically* be capable of acting like humans is even more delusional. To think that the situation with the SKIDS and BM would resolve itself, or that my DH would somehow grow a pair to deal with it is the most delusional of all.

To have another child, to pile more onto this mess, honestly - I don't know why women do it to themselves.

I see some posters on here, I read their stories, and I am just shocked. They struggled with their SKIDS before they married or moved in with their DH. The BM is a psycho. The problems never stop. Their DH/BF/FH never steps up to the plate to handle the issues they already have. Their marriage/relationship is always on the rocks. The SKIDS are disruptive and destructive.

So what's the solution to that?

Having another child with him. Of course!

Riiiiiiight.

Get real.

My DH showed me who he was, the kind of man he was, what is/is not capable of, etc. I chose to believe him. There were things I thought I could change, but I've disengaged from that. Now, I just enjoy him. When I don't, it's always within the context of his children or his ineffectiveness as a father, or when he cowers in a corner and won't deal with BM. I consider that "his problem" though. So long as he steps up and protects our life together from her, I could care less (or try my hardest to care less) about the rest.

I married my DH not because of his abilities (or lack thereof) as a father, but rather because of his abilities to be the most awesomest companion for MY life that I could ever, ever, ever have wanted.

One day the SKIDS will be grown and will have moved on with their own life and BM will cease to be relevant at all. When that time comes, my DH and I will move on with our lives and grow old together. I do adore him so.

If this is a question that you are struggling with because of your own situation. I can only implore you to be HONEST with yourself - about EVERYTHING.

Is this man a good father? Is he really capable? Does he take care of his current kids? Does he deal with BM in effective ways? Does he have/hold respectable boundaries? Does he protect our home from crazy BM? Does he "parent" his children?

OR:

If we had our own child, what do I REALLY think will be changed? Can I honestly raise a child, knowing that there will be different rules in the home for the different sets of children? Will this be something that DH will ever REALLY change?

Or:

Is every single day going to be a battle?

BE HONEST ABOUT YOUR SITUATION. BE HONEST. BE HONEST. BE HONEST.

If you don't think that you could deal with having a child in that situation - and you really want to have your own babies - then he is not the man for you. Move on. No matter how much it hurts. Find a different man.

Otherwise, proceed with caution.

LRP75's picture

Thank you! Wink

I've been around the block a few times. Had to learn this the hard way. Just as many other women had.

If just one FSM reads it and decides that she's better off finding a different man to start her own family with, I will have accomplished something. Please God, let it sink into the heads of some of these women - before it's too late.

Too many women (myself included) have entered into relationships feeling as though WE can make it work. That WE can change the man. WE can change the kids. That WE can be responsible for everything: the health of the relationship; the success of the relationship; the children; the home; the finances; dealing with BM; etc. etc. etc. WE take on too much. WE do too much. WE care too much - often the only one who DOES care. WE CAN DO IT ALL! WE sacrifice everything just to get *anything* in return.

Right?

Meanwhile, everyone else in the situation lets her. Then they point fingers and blame her when things don't work out. They fight her every step of the way, because, well, they don't want to change. There's *nothing wrong* with them.

It's called being "codependent." Please get some help.

Yeah, I've been in my fair share of dysfunctional relationships. I've graduated from the School of Hard Knocks. No more crazy for me please. I'm finally experiencing some peace, love, and happiness. I will not willingly give it up.

YOU CAN LEAD A HORSE TO WATER, BUT YOU CANNOT MAKE IT DRINK!

People won't change if they don't think they need to. And a person cannot be forced into recognizing that they need to change.

LRP75's picture

It sounds like you made an INFORMED DECISION. Which is what I was trying to get at in my post.

Too many women aren't thinking it through. Then, they are *surprised* when their DH doesn't magically change and, whoa, things really just get worse.

They proceed without having realistic expectations and are confused, sad, and deeply hurt when things don't work out they way they *thought* it would work out.

You made your informed decision and decided one way. I made my informed decision and decided the other way. Either way, we used the same process. The healthy process.

(By the way, I have a BS16. I never would have gotten involved with my DH if my BS were younger and would be impressionable due to the SKIDS behavior. As it is, BS16 looks at them like they are insane monkeys - WHEN they are together. In the past year, the SKIDS and my BS have only seen each other once. If having more children were a goal that I was dead-set on, I honestly don't know if I would have proceeded forward with my DH. The situation with the SKIDS and BM is that bad - and he doesn't willingly deal with most of it. I really would be a lunatic if I had a child I felt that I had to protect from psycho BM and SD10. Deciding to not have our own child together was a conversation that took several months to conclude. We did not get officially engaged until we knew one way or the other. If having more children were important to me, I would have picked a different man to be the father. I picked my DH for ME. He's MY companion.)

giveitago's picture

I agree 100% with you...The only thing DH and I ever disagreed on was the SKids and now it's GREAT!! I do not snub them, nor am I rude to them and I am still up to date with what's happening with them but I do NOT advise them, chastise them or lay eyes on them for the most part. They survived to be 18. It's a huge strain on DH but that's what they all wanted, they can HAVE IT! Keep it! I raised kids of my own before I met DH and they are decent folks so I know it's not my parenting skills that are the issue. It's two seriously delinquent teenagers, one of whom was a handful even for the juvenile justice system. Her twin brother is just as bad but he's more charming with it, more 'plausible' as I have heard said of this sort of person. He robbed his own mother, me and his father! If he, SS, doesn't believe it happened then it surely did not? BAH!!

LRP75's picture

Exactly!

I can't say that the situation doesn't still bother me, or that I don't want to run out of the house screaming like a crazy person when the SKIDS are here. Or, to be honest, I haven't wished BM dead x1,000,000,000, etc.

But I come on here to vent. I came on here to say my peace about SD10's dyed fire engine red hair. Or, how she refused to brush her teeth.

This weekend, dh has SS10 and I'm sure I'll be on here b*tching about him too.

I've got to get it out or I will burst. Right?

The difference? I don't b*tch at my DH about this stuff anymore. It's stuff that does NOT effect me. It bothers me because, as the outsider looking in, I can see the path the SKIDS are on a whole lot clearer than my DH can, but if I point it out to him, we fight. Then he does nothing about it.

If he doesn't care, why should I? They simply are. not. my. children.

So instead of our marriage/relationship being defined by the problems by the SKIDS and the problems with BM - we define our relationship by the time we get together and all of the things we enjoy doing together - all of the laughs, love, intimacy, companionship, etc.

goingslowlycrazy's picture

Thank you for this post and many of the others on here..it's confirmed that I'm not going mad..I've got to let go and disengage..it's so hard to keep quiet. When you see this appalling parenting but my daughter is a good girl so I know as you said it's not my parenting..I'm going to try and learn to distance myself

Helena.Handbasket's picture

pros
- My anxiety and panic attacks are gone
- I stopped xanax
- I feel much more in control of my life
- Don't go to therapy anymore.
- I don't stress over that which does not involve me
- SO and I fight less and over things that are relevant.
- Because SO now deals directly with SD16 without any input from me, he see's SD16's personality for what it is
- SO started really parenting (somewhat, not completely) his children more instead of only doing fun stuff. He also yells at them when he should (mostly). Now if he doesn't parent, its because of BM and not because of me. (They live with BM what can I do? - excuse)
- I get so much more accomplished on the weekends and feel more relaxed after the weekend is over than I used to. No more following them around and having my time affected by skids and SO's on the fly schedule. In fact, I LOVE when they go out so I get the house to myself and can do nothing.

cons
- No one gets to hear how right I am and will be in the future.
- Skids don't benefit from help that they could really use from me.
- There have been weekends when I didn't see SO the whole time because he was out with skids (not really horrible though- breaks are good!)
- Still frustrating to watch spoiling, but have to keep my mouth shut.
- Since SO has decided to be more involved and know what nonsense SD is up to, he talks to BM more. That annoys me.

Kes's picture

The pros for me are that it's nothing to do with me - I don't have to bother interacting with the SDs or pretending I'm interested in them.
Cons - occasionally I would love to tell the SDs exactly what my opinion is of them or something they've done, and I can't.
I feel lonely EOW when DH is off with them, being a Disney Dad - and I feel he and they should have grown out of this by now - they are 17 and 15.

LRP75's picture

StepAside,

Amen!

You nailed it.

I feel you have just effectively spoken for all SM's that have, or are on their way, to successfully disengaging. At least, you did for me.

Thank you.

L

Ruthless's picture

"The stepmother's role is to keep trying, to stay silent, to know her place (LAST always), to be a contributor toward family harmony (even though her efforts will be roundly rejected), to cook, to shop, to be a caring adult parental contributor only as far as it benefits the children, and to stay firmly seated in her place as "second" wife."

OMG you just described me!

Orange County Ca's picture

I dind't perceive any negatives.

I wrote this a long time ago and I hope this helps with your problem. It may not reflect your exact situation but you'll get the idea:
The situation with my step-kids finally got to the point where I decided that my efforts to raise them was futile.
First I told my wife in private what I was going to do and why.
Then I stopped investing myself, time and money in their upbringing. I realized that by conscious choice I could cease being responsible for them or their actions. Neither would I take credit for how they turned out, good or bad. I simply stopped interfering in their lives. This is not to say if they would start a fire on the living room floor I would not intervene. But if they did not do the laundry as scheduled I ignored it. Nor did I do any of their chores. If the trash overflowed in the kitchen - well tough. Mom dealt with it when she got home.
You will be absolutely amazed at the look on a kids face when s/he realizes you don't care enough to even tell their bio-parent they did something wrong. And you'll be amazed at their future behavoir and attitude towards you.
I stayed friendly enough and taught one how to drive when she was old enough. But they could no longer blame me for the consequences of misbehaving just because I saw the misbehavoir. I never told. If they were caught in a infraction it was not my fault. They began to realize that they were responsible for their actions because of what they did not because I caught them.
I would talk to my wife in private if I had issues, but once she made the decision I backed her up 100%.
Once the kids realized I was no longer the ogre they thought I was their attitude changed. I was not their friend, but neither was I the enemy. They came to realize that I had not done those things to irritate them. They in fact missed the things that they had come to depend on me doing. Permission to go to the mall when their Mom was not home? "Sorry, can't do that".
Their mother slowly came to realize that I wasn't overreacting to their actions. In fact I wasn't reacting at all. She came to understand that she would have to control the situation and she did.
With that things got much easier around the house.
Billions of kids grew up in the world without help from me

stormabruin's picture

Is there a link to the blog or is it gone? What was the context of the crotch-peeping? That's creepy. And what happens if a wife expresses her opinion more than once?

stormabruin's picture

I wonder if he would feel the same way if it was his 11yo daughter some dirty old man was looking at. I wonder if he would be very understanding of the dirty old man's ogling eyes because, after all, he is "hard-wired" to do so...?

Healthy men are not hard-wired to be intrigued by looking at naked children...touching or not. Child porn is a crime.

That's disgusting.

Poodle's picture

Oh, if she says her opinion more than once, and it is wrong in OCC's views, she gets to divorce him. Bit of a no-brainer? Now is that a pro or is it a con? Hmmm.....

LRP75's picture

"Don't forget the chapter where you "warn" your wife that she is entitled to "her opinion ONCE". That's sure to sell your ideas. Or your reasoning on how it's perfectly acceptable for a man to look at an 11-yr-old's crotch, just as long as he then looks away and doesn't touch? Should be a best-seller in the self-help (or porn) aisle."

:O

please say you are joking? :jawdrop:

stormabruin's picture

WTF??? :jawdrop:

sorryilovemydogmore's picture

But none of this should really matter since any divorced parent with custody of their children should stay single until the children are 18. Another piece of OCC wisdom from yesterday....

stormabruin's picture

Well, sounds like he's got all the answers. It's fine for old men to ogle naked children because they're "hard-wired" to do so, but grown adults who are hard-wired to mingle with other consenting grown adults should not do so because they have children?

So, if it the world were under his rule, women would be given the opportunity to voice their opinion once, child porn (would be legal, & divorced custodial parents of minors wouldn't be allowed to marry. :sick:

sorryilovemydogmore's picture

Because when you have kids, "everything else goes by the wayside." Oh yeah, because there are no "undamaged children in a divorce." And the best way to repair the damage is to prevent them from ever seeing what a happy, healthy adult relationship looks like.

stormabruin's picture

Yes, & we owe it to children to press the message that adult life stops on a dime for them.

sorryilovemydogmore's picture

But of course. Because then they will grow up into adults that expect the world to revolve around them, as it should. Right?

stormabruin's picture

LOL! And to think all this time DH & I have been fighting against the natural order...you know, giving due respect to EVERYone in our home where it all should've gone to his kids. Man, the wrath we'll face from them...all the respect & courtesy & shit. I'm afraid we've done ourselves in.

smdh's picture

Here's my issue with disengagement (and take it with a grain of salt because I've never actually engaged). They aren't our kids or our responsibility but a lot of the things you all disengage DOES affect you. There are disengaged women on here who have rooms in their homes with pissy blankets, moldy towels, month old food, shitty underpants, a year's worth of laundry. There are women who have to do the dishes and cook because the dh will not step up. If the kids don't shower or brush their teeth, there is a stench around them. And bills that will come later in life to take care of their nasty ass teeth, etc. All of these things DO affect us and especially if there are other children in the mix. If SD doesn't wash her hands, I have to scrub walls to get off prints. I have to worry about DS getting sick because she touches all his stuff. Some of these kids are walking health hazards.

To me those are the cons. I can't do it. I'm not engaged, but I'm not disengaged either. My house will stay clean. She doesn't have to like it or me, but she will clean up after herself and keep her body clean or she and dh can live elsewhere. I've found that my lack of desire to be "liked" by her has helped me lay out my boundaries from day 1. That said, I also have the support of my dh who was also aware from day 1 that I won't deal with disrespect of me, my property or my living space. Bottom line, without me their life as they know it ends.

smdh's picture

"Letting go doesn't mean we are doormats anymore. It means we care more about our boundaries than about them being our fans."

Which is the scary part for many of the women on here. They may not care about the skids liking them, but if their dhs are of the mindset that you "have to love my kids" and everything "has to be fair" (with respect to rewards, never with discipline), I was willing to take that risk. BUt I took it early in my relationship. Maybe its because I was older. Maybe its because I was stronger. Maybe I'm just a bitch. I couldn't love someone or respect someone who was so dead set on making his kid's life happy that he stomped all over my needs.

And maybe its because I am not dependent on my dh. Without me he can't afford this house (nor could I without him). Without me he wouldn't have 50/50 custody of his kid because 1) he would not have fought like he did and 2) his work schedule would not allow it. I don't do much for SD, but I am here when he can't be and since his schedule is unpredictable, he couldn't commit to a CO with 50/50 without me.

LRP75's picture

"It is not being cold, it is simply giving up control. Let others do the job they are suppose to do."

Exactly.

Poodle's picture

My version of good bad and ugly of disengaging:
GOOD -- freedom from consequences of other's bad choices, freedom from barbs/spite/rancour from SKs and pressure from ILs, freedom from BS, more room for needs to be met for myself and family, more space in my home, more time in my life, total reduction of aggro with DH
BAD -- having to persuade my mother and sister that this was a moral approach -- not so much bad as I did end up convincing them, but was very hard work over the years
UGLY -- having to accept my DH's blinkeredness and limitations for what they are, realising my marriage was not the most fulfilling because I began not to respect him as a parent or as a husband as I had at first. But since it wasn't truly fulfilling anyway, might as well realise it and take it from there. The honesty advocated above has to be the only way forward. Still awaiting for inactive DH to initiate counseling so as to find a way to full fulfilment in the marriage, not a bad marriage just disappointing, can't be bothered to be the first to poke that dungheap.

tree102678's picture

I have to ask....LOL....how do you disengage when my SD11 lives with us and have her not feel like she "has won" the fight so to speak?

Poodle's picture

If you do it with true detachment, there will no longer be a sense of fight and that carpet will slide from under her feet. You will not mind how she feels. As for her, her reaction will likely be shock and at first, as Draco says, a sense of play play play, but when she sees that there are still boundaries and expectations around how she now has to behave as a GUEST in your house, she will not have the run of things but equally she will find those rules easier to tolerate because they do not demand intimacy. Both younger children and teens can understand the distinction between "family" and "guest" obligations and how these are abided by. Thus respect for cleanliness, order, whatever are your requirements as householder, are still required of the Skid -- it's most certainly not liberty hall where they get to do what they want. So for example you may allow them to do no homework in favour of watching TV all evening, in that way you disengage from a parental role of making them study, but if they try to keep the tv on when you want it off for your own reasons as householder, then you engage as hostess, switch it off or tell them to and they obey your house rule as guests. Much simpler. When I asked my DH to remove my OSD from a visit to our home at the age of about 16 and began a long period of non-relationship between us, this was in response to her not even being able to behave like a guest. Never mind family. At that point she was out for as long as it took to apologise and show respect.

vwd1224's picture

very, very insightful!!!
i really enjoyed what everyone has posted..i just started this disengagement n the pros that were posted here r wat i am about 2 enjoy..less stress, more sleep, some relief from anxiety attack, no more cringing when i hear that voice screech mooommmmyyyy!!!
i am so happy there r some strong women here... it makes me feel better n yes disengagment is awesome n i have only been doing it 4 a week!!!!
i truly love my h n i have never had as much fun with any1 else besides him...if i didnt find this site this week, i would not have known what 2 do n would have been having a nervous break-down..i thank my Father in heaven for letting me find such a support!!!

stepkitten's picture

Disengaging is iffy. I think it`s a good temporary fix to get some relief, but more than this I feel like it is giving in. It is giving the biomom what she wants(for the step mother to be invisible and not a 'real' part of the family). It is solidifying the child's relationship with everyone in the family but you. You become a secondary person and they become primary to the household. They get a result from pushing you away.

I feel like if I am going to 'disengage', I am going to do it all the way. I am going to get my own place, and keep my husband, but never have to deal with his kid or ex ever again by not living together. This way, his issues with her don't touch me. What he spends on her wont affect me because I will be living of off my own income and he off of his. It will be like when we first met. Things were happy before we moved in together. I will have complete control over when I see her. I like to call this the 'weekend cottage' concept.

Otherwise, the pressure needs to be on the person who brought her in to this family to straighten her out.

3Libras06's picture

Pros: You sleep better at night!
Cons: Not much will really change the way you'd like it to.

I used to spend a lot of time worrying about how SO's son would grow up and turn out with his unfortunate situation between parents and lack of overall attention. BM is insane and I couldn't see why my SO wasn't more passionate about gaining full custody and giving his son everything he'd need for that "perfect" upbringing. Then I stopped myself... I was the one losing sleep, getting upset, worrying about his future, etc.. They weren't. I had to disengage and shrug it off. Chalk it up to: They had a kid way too young, failed miserably at a marriage, both essentially grew up while tossing the kid back and forth. Now they've "grown up, moved on and started new lives" but the kid is still there. It's sad. Really.

igiveup2's picture

I feel for you, you're not alone. My skids treat me like crap. SD and I don't even speak anymore, SS only when he comes over "to borrow money(yeah right). They know if it were'nt for my income they would'nt get crap. You need to worry about yourself. Treat yourself good u desrve it

Kimberlee's picture

@LRP75- I just saw this post(yeah I'm about 1 year late). I was JUST talking to my sister about this! I told her that I would be a dumbass if I thought that Dh would change from being a passive parent. He has always been around strong minded women(this included BSC BM). I told her that if this is the way that he is around SS15(no discipline nor consequences) then I will NOT have his raising our future daughter/son in this fashion. Glad to know that I'm not the only one who thinks this way. DH is a great husband but not an authoritative father. I am slowly coming to terms with that. He has no problem disciplining his niece/nephews; when it comes to his son, that's where the problems begin.