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Ugly email from Stepson

AVR1962's picture

All because we refused to go to grand daughter's first b.day when we found out bio mom was attending, and the date had been slid to accomidate her, she women who has all the boys' lives tried to alienate them from us (the custodial parents, she left when the boys were 2 & 4. We were not invited to SS's wedding because bio mom.

This a is quote from the email we both received, SS will be 27 next month:

".....it is not necessary for me to show any respect to anyone. I know who I was around when I was growing up and it is not up to you to say who I respect and who I dont so you can stop right there. Just because someone raised me doesn't mean I have to respect them, that goes for you. Respect is earned, not given(and it has not been earned yet)....and the sooner both of you realize this the better."

I have blocked his & his wife's email addresses. Husband plans to address this but feels he has lost his son. I have to disconnect.

Stick's picture

AVR 1962 - I'm sorry but I disagree with you and your husband (the boy's father, child's grandfather) not attending the child's first birthday because BM was there... who, let's remember, is the boy's MOTHER and the child's grandmother.

I don't know how you or your husband declined the invitation, but your SS's comment about respect being earned and not given is spot-on. Mind you, this is something that SD over here said about HER OWN MOTHER!!

It sounds like your SS just wants to have a birthday party for his daughter, and of course he made it so that everyone could attend. BM and both of you. It sounds like he invited you as well. For you and DH to not go because of BM sounds like a power play and sounds a little immature, to be honest.

You could have went and avoided BM. You could have went for a short time just to see the child. You could have went and realized this party isn't about you, nor about DH, nor about BM. It's about a new BABY in the family and their first milestone. Instead it turned his child's 1st birthday into yet another power struggle between parents about their rights and feelings, not his, and certainly not his child's. (Ok at 1, the kid doesn't know... but they are going to keep having birthdays and if you guys keep this attitude up, you will miss them all.)

I'm sorry, but I personally think that no matter what - no matter what kind of bad blood... you and DH made the wrong choice here. And if others disagree - turn the situation around. DH and AVR go to the party and BM declines because AVR is there. Everyone else would agree - BM would be wrong because it's not about her, it's about the grandchild.

I hope you guys have time to "fix" this, because, if it was me... and eventually it could be... When SD who lives with DH and I has a child, and on that child's first birthday BM doesn't come because DH and I are there... well, I'd look at her with sorrow... because BM wouldn't get it. She would still be living on bitterness from their past, and DH and my happiness. Sad

Stick's picture

StepAside - It's just that I lived it. BM had 1 birthday party that I was invited to - and it was a long time ago. BM's family was there, DH's family was there, BM, DH and I. Everyone seemed to be able to get along and celebrate. I stood off a little because I was new to the situation.

After that party, BM's mom and family refused to go to any family function that DH and I were at, and that DH's mom was at. And this is after DH having a somewhat decent relationship with BM's mom, and DHs mom and BM's mom being as close as they would be in the circumstances. And the reason? Because DH was in a new relationship and dared to bring me along. And they didn't like me wanted nothing to do with me, and didn't even try to talk to me.

Instead of SD looking at BM and her family as "right"... and sticking up for themselves, and their beliefs. She looked at them with confusion. She didn't understand why .. and that was when she didn't even like me herself!

Every person does have the right to protect their own feelings. But there has to be a cap on it. We don't let skids get away with behavior because they are protecting their own feelings.

There is a time and a place to pick these battles. Children's birthdays - and this is just my opinion - is not one of them.

AVR1962's picture

Stick....when SS and DIL were planning to marry husband and I were not invited because BM did not want us in her house, according to SS. We later found out that wedding was not at BM's house, it was only the reception that was at her house.

So let me ask you how it is fair or right for us to be excluded because of BM's desires but when we say we won't attend a b.day party that's date was "changed" to accomidate BM (DIL and I had been tlaking about doing something privately earlier in the week)that is not okay on our part? That seemed messed up to me.

I get the idea you are saying that my SS has the right to make all the calls and we are simply supposed to comply or we're being disrespectful. We have choices to make also. We have been to several joint function with BM and she always makes the occasion miserable

At older boys' graduation dinner she cried because her son wasn't spending time with her, she had driver X amount of miles. We did too....SS went right to mommy.

Everything the boys took to their mom that I had said or did was wrong and she made a point to tell the boys I had no rights, I wasn't their mom, she was always trying to work the situation to her advantage without ever allowing the boys to love me, certainly did not expect them to respect me.

No more, been thru it all too many times. I did explain to DIL that there was a long history here and I just could not go into all again. DIL seemed confused, SS went nuts.

charlene bool's picture

i totally agree. i would also be very hurt in this situation if my one year old's birthday was boycotted by grandparents because of politics

DaizyDuke's picture

I agree with Stick...

I remember your original post in regards to Granddaughter b-day party dilemma. You stated that when DIL emailed you in regards to GD's b-day this is what you responded: "H*** NO! long history, will not go there!"

I totally understand if there is bad blood between you and BM (I hate our BM with a friggin passion) BUT it seems that there were a couple of different ways this could have been handled so as to not cause bad feelings between you, DIL and SS

You could have responded that you would not be able to make it to the b-day party because you had other obligations or you could have responded that you would be attending but that you wouldn't be able to stay long due to other obligations (thus giving yourself an "escape plan" should BM make the gathering that horrible)

I stand by my advice to your original post in that I really think you should have gone to the party (after all, what are we talking about an hour maybe) you could have steered clear of BM and played nice.

The unfortunate thing is that I think due to your e-mail response and your failure to show at party, BM came out smelling like a rose and you and hubby are now the "bad guys". After reading the excerpt from your SS e-mail to you, I think there is alot more background information that we don't have here as far as the realtionship that you and your hubby had with your SS for the past 27 years.

I totally understand that you would want to disengage from SS at this point, but what is very sad in this whole story is that you are missing out on a relationship with your granddaughter and DIL who are just innocent bystanders in this mess.

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AVR1962's picture

Same here, there's always been an incident with BM when we have attended joint functions. She has even been hateful to my daughters from my first marriage when they have attended functions.

I tried so many times to get my husband to talk to her about her to help her understand her poisoning the kids' heads was not helping them but he refused. He feels there is no talking to her, that she would not even begin to give us a chance. She calls the shots and the boys comply is basically what it amounts to.

I do not cuss but this was too much for me. Just today I doubled checked my reply, and as little as it my help I did say, "pardon my French" after I said "Hell no!" Okay, response was not a good one and if I could do it over again I would do it differently.

Too, it REALLY made me mad that not only is there all this past with BM but before I had ever met DIL, had only emailed with her, baby was due, we had asked for due date but only got a reply of "August." Third week in Aug last year I emailed to see if the baby was born, I had not been told. DIL writes back with this email telling me off, saying I wasn't there and why? I was so stunned. There was never anything even said to indicate they wanted us there. This was a week after the baby was born, I contacted them, they had not told us. We weren't sent pictures.

And husband just told me to let it go, that it might have been hormones. SS later says that her feelings were hurt. So she can tell me off, insult me and treat me as she wishes and I am to hold composure and allow it? No, what goes around comes around.

PoisonApples's picture

What bothers me is that in the son's email reply he seems to be responding to something the SM said to him about respect.

I think we'd have to see the email the SM sent to the son to get an accurate picture of what's going on here.

I'm thinking of this from the perspective of a parent. I want to have a birthday party for my child. I don't want to worry about which grandparent to invite. They can behave like rational adults and attend or they can choose not to. It's THEIR choice. I sure wouldn't beg them to act like grownups - certainly not when they are old enough to be grandparents and this is a grandchild's birthday party we are talking about.

I may be wrong here but it LOOKS like the OP tried to drag the son into a bunch of drama between the BM and SM. Son said 'sorry, not interested, I have better things to do'. I think if I were the son I'd have done the same.

AVR1962's picture

I am the stepmom and I did not address respect. His father did address respect with SS. SS thinks he can walk all over us, say what he wants to say, do what he wants to do and has been doing it for years. Would not follow the rules of the house when he lived at home and acted like he was entitled to do so. BM supported all his wrongful actions and told him we were in the wrong.

It was not SS who invited us, it was DIL.

PoisonApples's picture

What stood out to me in your original blog on this was that you spent paragraph after paragraph complaining about things your SS did 10 years ago when he was still a teenager.

He's 28 now with a wife and child of his own but clearly you are still holding some very strong grudges about behaviour that you didn't approve of when he was a teen. In fact, if I remember correctly, he was 18 and had an underage gf and you took it upon yourself to contact the gf's mother to make trouble for your ss. Surely you see that you were overstepping there?

Anyway, I really think that you need to put it all behind you and let your DH build a relationship with his son's family. If you can't bring yourself to do it, fine, but it isn't fair for you to deprive that baby of a relationship with her grandfather because you are still bitter.

AVR1962's picture

PoisonApples, I was trying to lay-out a history, a history that has continued into the present. Yeah, definately letting go and will encourage husband to build relationship with his son and family.

hismineandours's picture

I wouldnt be caught dead spending my day around bm. First of all, that would violate my personal boundaries, it would violate dh's personal boundaries. The reason we have these boundaries is bm's behavior. Evidently in this case there is some bad blood between op and bm and we wouldnt even be hearing about it-everyone would have went and had a lovely time. Often, these bm's (the kind we deal with) like drama and so therefore wouldnt mind going to such an event because it would be an opportunity to stir up some. The op and dh are correct to remove themselves from a situation that is not healthy for either of them. People are allowed to look after their own needs-should even be encouraged to do so. But the op and her dh aside, if their is conflict between the parties then think how potentially wrong that day could go for ss and his family. How could that be a good situation for anyone?

AVR1962's picture

Thank you for understanding. My daughters from my first marriage also have a stepmom, she and I get along fine. this is the difference here. I expected the girls to respect her, she is not a drama queen like SS's BM. I gave the girls my permission to love their stepmom and I told them they had 2 moms. I have been at functions with my ex and his wife and there is never a problem. I have spent time with my daughters with their half siblings, never a problem.

This whole situation with the boys' mom is way different. She did not get custody and at first she was fine with that but when she asked husband for custody of the kids 2 years later and he denied that then she started her rampage. I think at that moment she decided that since she didn't get what she wanted she was going to make so difficult.

Try to raise children who realize they don't have to mind you or respect you. You can only imagine what I have been thru. My daughters were molested by SSs, I have had pubic hair put in the toothbrush, cussed at, papers thrown in my face. SS felt he ran the show at home, breaking the house rules and acting like he was entitled.

I had completely disconnected after I was told about the molestation, won't go into it here as it is a subject that people don't like to talk about and it was very involved. I don't know if you can even begin to understand what I went thru because of it. The blame I felt it not seeing it, the confusion I had becuase I had raised these boys and had protected them most their lives and then I had this to dela with.

I was on anti-depresants and at one point had not even wanted to live. I pulled myself up from a very low spot in my life, feeling stabbed in the back and walked on.....and I FINALLY grew a backbone.

PoisonApples's picture

I agree completely that they are not obligated to attend. It is THEIR choice not to attend.

I got the feeling that the OP (who is stepmom) took the son to task for even inviting his mother in the first place. I may be wrong but given the little of the emails we've seen it looks like SM was trying to make SS feel that he was wrong for inviting his mother - perhaps telling him that it was showing disrespect for SM? IF that is the case, SM is way out of line.

SS has a right to invite who he likes. If SM and BD choose not to attend then that is THEIR choice. They have no right to expect the SS to choose between his parents which set he is going to invite to his child's birthday party. He apparently chose to invite them all and if one set was too bitter to attend then that is their choice to live with.

The bottom line is that your problems with the other set of parents are YOUR problems and the kids must get damned tired of constantly having to work around it. I think this guy just wanted to celebrate his child's 1st birthday without being dragged into a bunch of stepparent drama. I think he has that right. I think if it were me I'd invite them both and if one set chooses not to attend then that is their loss. I may even take it as an insult to my child, depending on how they declined the invitation.

In this case, it is clear that the SM did not decline gracefully. It looks like she gave the child an ultimatum, your mother or us and the son refused to play the game. As I said, i don't blame him. I think I'd refuse to be bullied too.

Also disturbing is the OPs admission that she has now blocked both the son and the dil's email addresses. Isn't that WAY OTT? She was saying that she was Ok having discussions with DIL so why block her email?

I get the impression that OP is a bit of a drama queen and maybe she's keeping this shit stirred up. Maybe everyone else is just sick and tired of the drama?

AVR1962's picture

No, I was not trying to make SS feel bad about inviting BM. The plan was originally that husband, I, our daughter were going to celebrate with SS, DIL and grand but the party date was moved to accomidate BM. Just like everything else....just like not getting an invitation to the wedding on account of bio mom. It's always what bio mom wants.

It is their priority to change the date, I relaize that. But we also have the choice to not go. Simple! I am not the drame queen, it is the BM that is the drama queen and after many other joint gatheres with her and the stunts she has pulled we have decided we will not go to anymore.

There is no reason why we cannot have our own celebration if it can be planned, not expecting them to accomidate us, we know that's not going to happen.

I have been thru so much counseling because of everything I have been thru. Disturbing to block email? I have to save my own sanity some how.

PoisonApples's picture

I guess what confuses me is WHY you blocked their emails?

You agree that it is their prerogative to schedule the party when they see fit yet you 'punish' them by blocking their emails?

Why did you block DIL's emails? From what you said you have no problem with her.

This is what I don't understand and it is this that leads me to believe that you are stirring up the drama.

AVR1962's picture

I have decided to completely disconnect, I am done. I was disconnected at one point and thru one daughter and things my husband would say, I felt obligated to let this kid back in my life but I see the same ole' stuff is happening and I simply don't need it in my life anymore.

PoisonApples's picture

OK, I found the original blog on this. I knew there was a reason I felt the way I did.

It seems that the party was set for a date when the mother was flying in from overseas. The OP feels disrespected because the SS is holding the party when the mother arrives instead of having the party a few days earlier before the mother flies in.

Sorry OP but you are the one in the wrong. Whether or not you like the BM she is flying in from across the globe to see her granddaughter.

You live much closer to the SS and his family. You can see them almost anytime you want. BM can't as she lives on the other side of the world.

You should not go to the party if you cant' be civil but you are DEAD WRONG to tell SS he is disrespectful for letting his mother be there for her granddaughter's party. You way out of line to block emails from SS and DIL.

So you missed the party, by YOUR OWN CHOICE. That doesn't mean you have to cut them all out of your lives. I think you are angry because you wanted him to have the party ON YOUR TERMS to deliberately exclude the other grandmother. It looks like you were trying to control a situation that you have no right to control and when the SS refused to allow you to control it you cut him out of your, and his father's lives. Not only did you cut him out, you cut out his wife AND the one year old baby.

I think you need to get over this and try to have a relationship with them that doesn't require them to always put what YOU want first. If you can't do that then at least please don't stop your husband from having a relationship with his son and grandchild.

AVR1962's picture

I wasn't even expecting the cake even. We live an hour away and we were going to be in the area that particular day and it would have been convenient for us. I told DIL that we could come by before we had to be somewhere else, that we'd have friends with us so we wouldn't stay long and that's when I found out plans had changed and it was the first I knew that BM was coming to town.

Rags's picture

The beauty of stupid people is that they like to put stuff in writing. Once they put it in writing and send it to you, they can never claim not to have said it. So, keep all of the vitriolic crap that your Skids send you and be ready to put a copy of it back in their faces when they attempt to claim later that they were perfect little angels and you and your DH were the evil ones.

The key to this strategy is to never respond with anything at all. If you choose to respond the key is to not be vitriolic and to stick with the facts.

eg.

"We are sorry that you feel that way and that you nave little appreciation for the love and support that we provided you while we raised you. You obviosly do not remember that your BM abandoned you and your brother when you were 2&4 years old and that your father and I gladly and proudly raised you. When you are ready to recall reality we will be here for you and your families. Love The Mother that did not abandon you."

Facts are not good or bad, they are just facts. If you stick with the facts there is little anyone can do to manipulate you and they will not be able to dilude themselves.

Good luck and best regards,

Most Evil's picture

I don't blame you for declining, you have every right to not subject yourself to a miserable situation, and SS's e-mail was WAY out of line. !!!!!!! He sounds like the 1 year old!!!! Hugs

AVR1962's picture

OldDart, I think what has happened with the boys is BM never let the boys love me, she never expected them to respect me. She told the boys lies and tried to manipulate them to get what she wanted. She was angry with me especially. She walked away but as soon as she got herself established (remarried w/another child)and realized I was in the picture she demanded her children back. She tried to use me as an informant to try and use against my husband as she was claining she was going to fight him for custody which she never did. I wouldn't give her the info she wanted, she wanted dirt on my hsuband, so I became the bad guy because I didn't help her. She never worked with us, never allowed the boys to feel like our family was their family, she was constantly tearing.

On the other side of this picture, I had been married and had 2 daughters by my first husband, he had an affair and yes, I was very upset that he chose to break up the family and he and I had our share of problems but what was different here vs the situation with SSs is that I allowed my daughters to love their SM, I expected them to respect her, I never sided with my kids when they complained about her but talked it thru so the kids might understand. I never attacked her and she never attacked me. I told the girls they had 2 moms and 2 dads and I told them that the children my first husband had with his second wife were their brotehrs and sisters. My daughters are much more adjusted, they are very loving and their not dealing with the anger the boys are dealing with right now.

I think things really could have been different for the boys had BM would have seen her children as gifts rather than objects she owned. She instilled so many thoughts in the boys' heads that have truly hurt them and the constant battles in trying to deal with it wore me thin, I finally had to draw my own boundary lines.

iwishyouwould's picture

SS is going to be in for a rude awakening one day if that is the way he is raising his own child. I'm so sorry.

cyberwoman's picture

So SS feels you have to earn his respect yet appears to think you owe him respect.I hope he remembers his own words as what's good for the goose should be good for the gander but from the looks of it don't hold your breath for that one.

Character is higher than intellect. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

jumanji's picture

Just to state upfront - I am not a stepmom, but my kids have one.

Being a newb here, I don't know the history, but there is obviously some very bad blood between Mom, Dad and StepMom, with some to/from the SS added in. But, at the end of the day, this isn't about any of them - it's about a small child.

Respect should go in all directions. Each of these three adults had some part in the life of the SS. OP and Dad have their opinions wrt Mom, and those are theirs to hold. SS should not have to honor or deal with them. It's his Mom, regardless. And it's his choice how to deal with her.

Just as it's OP's and Dad's choice how to deal with the situation. But I hope they're aware how it may affect their future relationship with the child.

Rags's picture

The Skids in this situation are adults. I am way good with SM and BioDad holding the adult Skids and BM accoutable for their bullshit.

I disagree that respect goes in all directions. BM abandoned her children and has spent more than two decades attempting to alienate the kids from their father and SM.

She gets no respect. IMHO she is a dirtbag. Dirtbag's are not worthy of any respect ... ever and have no value beyond the mineral content of their carcasses.

If this was my situation I would make BMs life a living hell.

By the way. Welcome to the community. I hope you find it a good place to vent, contribute and pick up some useful perspective from others navigating the challenges of blended family life.

Just my thoughts of course.

Best regards,