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Should an ex be allowed to show up at an ex spouse's funeral?

tankh21's picture

Do you think exes should be allowed to go to their ex spouse's funeral? If they just showed up would you tell them to leave? Let's say it's a drama causing BM. Do you think that she has a right to be at your DH's funeral?

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lieutenant_dad's picture

I think there are a lot of variables that go into this.

If there are kids involved and they are younger, I think having the ex there would be beneficial to the kids. If my DH were to die, I'm not sure I could stand to look into his kids' faces and not bawl harder. Having BM there would be helpful. On the flip side, if BM were to die, I would expect DH to be there to help with the boys (especially since he would be there sole caregiver at that point).

However, kids are older, divorce was years and years ago, and ex has been a pain ever since? Unless they show up apologizing and showing real remorse, I'd be annoyed and probably angry.

My XH and I didn't have kids, the split was messy, and we don't talk. If I found out he died, I would probably send a condolence letter to his family with a donation to some charity (not that I think he would have a charity picked out...). I wouldn't go to the funeral, but I would at least acknowledge his death. Oh, and I would send the card to his sister, not his new wife. His family would appreciate the thought; I don't know if his wife would.

Overall, this is a topic that causes me anxiety, not so much with DH as with other family. When MIL dies, BM will go to her funeral almost guaranteed. MIL's family HATES BM. I can't express just how much they hate her, and they aren't shy/quiet about it. FIL's family doesn't like her either, but they are civil to everyone. MIL's family will come to FIL's funeral (despite being divorced), BM will be there, and then we'll have another round of screaming-fighting-witchfest.

When my Dad dies, I think everything will be okay. I haven't met his new GF, so I don't know how she will react when my Mom and SF go to the funeral. When my Mom and SF die, there won't be any issues with my Dad. There will be if my SF's ex-harpy shows up, especially if she shows up with my SSis's bio kids because my SSis will be there. Cue my SBro flying off the handle when his BM and sister get into it over the kids and my SSis decides that she is going to be the most hurt by my SF's passing. It'll be a disaster, and I will have bouncers for those funerals.

bearcub25's picture

I don't think so but my BM does, well to DSOs families funerals.

If it was my DSO, I probably wouldn't even go to the service but have my own wake. DSOs family would never ask her to leave and since we aren't married, I really have no right to ban her.

DSO brother, DSO was very close to this brother, passed away 2 years ago. BM was at the funeral home for the whole time, both viewing sessions and the service. When they allowed the guests to view the deceased in the coffin for the final time, BM stared at my DSO the whole time she was in line. I stared right back at her. She caught my eye 1 time and looked away but then openly stared at him again a few seconds later.

edited to add: youngest skid is 16.5, so no young children and the brother that passed away hated BM and she still parked her butt there for hours.

secret's picture

Dunno - but a friend of the family's did it right. Had the wake for her DH in her home... and security at the door turned the ex away.

zerostepdrama's picture

I'm sure my parents will go to each other's funerals when the time comes. And I'm sure my mom would go to my SM's and vice versa.

Speaking if something was to happen right now... I would go to BS's dad's funeral. We (along with DH) get along cordially with him and I would want to be there for BS.

With that being said... I would be very upset if BM showed up at DH's funeral because she has sent him texts in the past (within the last year) stating that she hopes he dies.

mommadukes2015's picture

I think everyone should have the right to say their final goodbye. Some should do it note quickly than others.

DaniellaR's picture

If the person that passed expressed that they didn't want that person at their funeral then no, the person should not go. DH expressed numerous times that he does not want BM at his funeral. What she does depends on what medication and how delusional the psycho is at the time but I would respect DH's wishes. And no, the funeral home is not public. When DD14m passed, we rented the home overnight and the day of her funeral. We paid for the security officer there and as paying customers, if we wanted someone kicked out, the security guard would have removed them.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

DH doesn't want BioHo at his funeral, either. I will respect his wishes. 'Ho had zero respect for DH during their marriage (can you say "serial cheater"?). And after all of her BS before and after their divorce and her attempts at PAS, I'd likely go postal on her arse if she had the gall to show her skanky face.

WalkOnBy's picture

allowed? Well, since funeral homes are public places, there isn't anything that can be done.

Should they go? I think that depends on a lot of variables.

tankh21's picture

So if you are paying for the funeral and do not want someone to come they are allowed to just come in and you can't do anything about it.

IDontCare3117's picture

If your SO/DH isn't dead, and there isn't a pending funeral, why are you worried about this issue?

tankh21's picture

Like I said it was just a general question. We are going to start trying to plan for some things and this came up the other day.

DaniellaR's picture

That is untrue. When our daughter passed, we rented the funeral home, I have quite a large invoice stating this. We also paid for a security guard. We could most definitely remove anyone from our rented space that we wanted to. We could have bought a new vehicle for the costs of our daughter's funeral and it was made clear by the staff that whatever (within reason) we desired would be arranged. There was one individual that was not allowed at our daughter's funeral and it was made clear to the staff....there was not one mention of that person having a "right" to be in an area that I paid a lot of money to rent.

WalkOnBy's picture

right, that is something you PAID for.

If OP wants to take that measure, more power to her.

Seems a silly think to think about.

WalkOnBy's picture

you can ask that person to leave, but no, it's not illegal to be at a funeral home despite people not wanting you there.

I guess you could cause a scene and call the police, but that's generally considered poor funereal behavior.

twoviewpoints's picture

Did you murder your Dh Wink

I have varying thoughts on the question. I have no issues with an ex quietly attending an ex's funeral IF the ex spouse can behave, be discreet and properly pay their respects. On the other hand, if they are coming to say 'look at me' or make troubles , best they stay away.

So for me, it's a case by case consideration. My ex DIL did attend my mother's SO's visitation (not the funeral which was held the next day). There was nothing at all inappropriate about it nor her presence. She brought GS (60 miles away) and then left GS with my DS (GS's father) and the rest of us after paying her respects.

My mother's SO had been like a grandfather/dad figure to my ex-DIL and first met when ex DIL was a foreign exchange student in my home. My mother's SO was the only grandfather GS had ever known. ex DIL walked up to casket with GS, me (Grandma), my mother (great-grandma) and my sister (Aunt). She stood and viewed the family photos that were on display(yep, she was included in a few of the photos displayed), she expressed her sympathies and she made her exit.

I will say the only one with her nose out of joint over it was my new DIL. New DIL pouted. Which to me was absolutely silly. New DIL was the one who spent the entire evening present, did the dinner with us after the visitation at my mother's , who I helped make sure had two appropriate black outfits to wear to both visitation and funeral and who I knocked myself out being sure she was introduced around and who I made certain was physically comfortable all evening.

Yes, she privately gave my DS h*ll that exDIL was 'allowed' to attend but she had enough sense not to say one word to my mother or I about it. She just quietly pouted for us. Personally, I wanted to tell my new DIL to knock the crap little pouty face off and grow the h*ll up. Except for like two minutes when ex DIL came up to say she was leaving and had put GS's bag in my car because DS's car was locked and that she would pick GS up at x time in three days, Ex DIL never came near DS nor said or did anything to call attention to herself. My mother's SO had loved exDIL. He loved GS and he was very good to both exDIL and my GS.

There was nothing improper nor inappropriate in ex DIL attending. There was absolutely no reason for my new DIL to have her panties in a bunch.

But with all that said, I can very well understand why some of the cases I've read about here on ST would not want their ex present. Nobody really wants their ex who may have spent years harassing you and making troubles for you, coming and plotting her *ss down and/or socializing like a happy social gathering while you are sitting/standing there mourning and already trying to come to grip with your grief. In these types of situations I feel the ex should have enough respect and consideration to just stay away. I, however would not 'forbid' if holding a public visitation. If I wanted to be sure the ex didn't attend I would likely do a private visitation.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

DH and I have discussed our (hopefully far in the future) funerals. We expect them to be extremely low-key and PRIVATE (immediate family ONLY).

BioHo is not immediate family. She is DH's EX 'ho and not welcome. The skids are old enough that they don't need Mommie Whorest to stand there and hold their hands.

My first ex is in jail. If he was out and tried to attend, 2 of my siblings would probably be arrested for assault. My second ex and I are friends (and I'm still friends with his son, sister, and mother) and no one (not even DH) would have a problem if he attended.

ESMOD's picture

In the situation where there are minor (or even fairly young adults) left behind, I can see how the surviving parent would want to be there to support their children and that barring the EX making a scene should be allowed to do so.

If the divorce was not a particularly bitter affair then it also might be ok.

Quite frankly, a funeral would be a place where we would hope everyone could put aside their differences and act like adults... including the new spouse.

tankh21's picture

These were just general questions but if it were me and "we" are paying for the funeral since my skids are older. BM would not be allowed to attend my DH's funeral whether the skids wanted her there or not. Considering what she has put my DH through she doesn't need to be there.

ESMOD's picture

Your skids aren't older. They are still kids. I don't agree that they should have to go alone.. it's not like you would be there for them as support..you don't even like them.

Minor kids.. under 18 I would definitely allow them to have their biological parent there for support.

tankh21's picture

Negative BM would not be allowed to go. She can wait outside for them if she wants to take them and pick them up. No way would I allow a woman that treats my DH like a dog and lies to her own kids about their father at his funeral. My skids are old enough to be there with me and not need BM's support to be there. It doesn't matter whether I like them or not. I would put my feelings for the kids but NOT BM. Hell I put my feelings aside every time they come over. I tolerate them so I definitely think I can tolerate them at DH's funeral.

tankh21's picture

You are always so against every I believe in and everything I stand for. I don't want BM anywhere near my house, me or my DH. The skids don't need BM's support while they are at their father's funeral because that is not what DH wants. I bet if I ask DH if he would care if BM was at his funeral he would say the same thing I am saying.

Cutter's picture

Bm doesn't have to allow them to go either. They can say goodbye another time. Dh needs to remember that when he excludes bm.

ESMOD's picture

I'm not so sure about how your DH would feel if he really thought about it from the point of view that it would be his minor kids at his own funeral.. and they might want their mommy to cry on.

I guess you and I are different. Sure, my DH's EX was a pill. Yes she jerked his chain. Yes she constantly threatened court... even AFTER both children were aged out she threatened to take him to court for "reserved spousal support"! She has lied to the children. She has gotten money out of him and cost him money and hassle. Shoot, she even got him locked up one time because he was working out of state and she hadn't paid a business loan and they bank tracked him down and locked him up! She bought an RV instead! She didn't keep him informed. She would jerk him around on visitation. She made constant demands for extra money... wanted him to pay her to buy them Xmas presents etc... I can't even think of all the batcrap crazy stuff she pulled. The Dr bills she put in his name and didn't tell him about because she used HER address and it ended up on his credit report. A ton of downright obviously hostile deeds.

YET... when I had to go with him to pick up his girls, I was civil. When his older daughter got married I suggested she get out from behind the camera so that she could get in a picture with my husband and his daughter on her wedding day. I went to the dinner after the wedding and sat at the same table with her. I also helped calm HER down when my YSD was airlifted to a hospital and was having her arm set and was screaming in the other room.

Sometimes we do things because it is the right and civil thing to do, even be around people we don't like.. or even "hate". Both my SD's are young adults now. If my DH were to die, even now, I think I could handle her being at the funeral to help her daughters through.. and I have a loving and good relationship with them. I still would be able to be the bigger person and know that sometimes things aren't all about ME.

Now, what I don't do? go to my OSD's baby shower or first Bday party for their kid. It's not my bio grandkid.. so I send a nice gift and bless them with my absence. My OSD actually told my DH that she didn't blame me because her mom always shows up at that stuff and makes her MOTY act and it irritates even her girls who know her to be different.

ESMOD's picture

Oh.. yeah.. they want someone "tolerating them" by their side while they bury a parent.

You are an adult... you are the one who can be an adult instead of a petulant child and be the bigger person in a situation like this. Not saying that you have to hold her hand.. but you can let her help her own children get through this... because you are going to be zero support or comfort for them.

Honestly, I don't see that your DH's Ex has done all that much besides be a bit difficult to coordinate with... and some of that is laid at your DH's feet too. Neither of them have been particularly adult through most of the interactions you have talked about on here.

You asked what we thought the right thing was. In my mind, I would allow a parent of a bio parent to attend for the children's other bio funeral. I am not a petty person and barring physical violence/threats of violence or real wacko behavior... I honestly would be a LOT less focused on who the Skids were sitting with and I would be grieving for my husband... I probably wouldn't even notice if the EX was there.

tankh21's picture

Here we go....I am always the bad guy. You have no idea what DH has dealt with this women. I suppose you are right in some sense that the skids need to be supported and if BM chooses to sit in the back unnoticed and not trying to sit with family and be part of it I guess that is fine. But, I will tell you this. I see my MIL trying to butt in and tell me what to do and allowing BM there to sit with us and I am not going to allow that. DH has to watch what he tells MIL because she talks to BM daily. I know this because the whole trip for MIL to come see the skids during spring break was a trip that was planned by BM. I am not going to feel like an outsider at my own DH's funeral while BM gets to feel like she is part of the family.

Cutter's picture

Bm would be smart to not allow them to go be there with you. You have admitted you don't like them and at a time like this they need someone watching over them and making sure they are okay. You don't fit that bill. Not to say you need to fit that bill either. Bm and her boys can have their own private goodbye with dh once he is in the ground.

twoviewpoints's picture

Your skids are like 10 and maybe 12. That's not "older" when it comes to something like their father's death.

I doubt in your case though that you will have to worry about it. If your husband dies in a car accident tomorrow, you can bet that if BM is not allowed to escort her grieving children, that your skids will not be attending either.

I suppose, since you are the wife, that is a decision you can make. Banning the BM and therefore having the man's own young children not being present at his funeral. *shrugs*

You can bet, whatever you do for a visitation and funeral for your DH if he dies any time soon that you will have absolutely no say in what or if his children do or don't do, beginning the moment DH becomes deceased. So I doubt the skids attending without BM will happen...it would be rather that none of them attend if BM does not. That will be your decision. Is blocking out BM worth having his own kids not be able to attend?

justkeepstepping's picture

It's been a year and a half and my DS still has issues from not being able to properly grieve in the days after his father passed due to the way everything was handled by the new wife.

tankh21's picture

No it's not worth it. It is the fear that MIL will let her sit with "family" and try to let her feel like she is part of the family. After realizing that I was somewhat wrong that BM should be allowed to go with her kids provided she is not allowed to sit with the family and she doesn't cause a scene.

SM12's picture

There was a long time I thought that I would lose it if BM showed up at DH's funeral, should he pass. But now as time goes on, I really don't care. As long as she didn't park her fanny on the front row trying to play wifey, and left after she said her condolences, I would be civil.

However, One of my Dear friends just went through this same thing. Her FIL passed. BM2 Showed up and stood by the Sign in book receiving mourners and greeting them like she was still in the family. The MIL apologized to my friend and said that was not acceptable for BM to do. However, the next day at the funeral, BM2 was there again, went to the graveside service and even went to the dinner for the family afterward. Not one person from the family spoke to her. I know BM2 and my friend hated each other but I still don't understand why a person would go to a funeral where they know they will be the outcast.
Some people just like drama.

justkeepstepping's picture

Oh Lord...

My ex died a year and a half ago. Suicide. We had been split up for almost 6 years. He had been with another woman for a year and a half. They had recently gotten married. The woman called me 2 hours after he died running her mouth and calling me names. She did everything she could think of to keep my from bringing my DS to his father's funeral. He was only 9 years old.

She threatened to call the police if I brought him to the funeral home or church. When she found out that they wouldn't help her if she called them she filed for a emergency restraining order against me. I received a certified letter from the judge at work one day. The letter stated that the emergency restraining order had been denied and they had scheduled a hearing for after the funeral. Which she didn't even show up for.

She refused to let DS participate in anything related to the funeral. He was not allowed at the family viewing or the family dinner that she had scheduled for immediately before the funeral at the church. Ex's family was pissed. We have always been on good terms. They all told come and bring DS anyway, but I refused. I didn't want her to cause a scene. She named her children as his children in the obituary and named DS last. DS was ex's only child.

She was horrible to his family too. Two days before the funeral she tricked DS into telling her where he was by bribing him with some of his dad's belongings. DS was at my sister's house while I was at work. She went by and picked him up. I flipped and called the police and ex's mom and she tracked her down and got him back. I was pissed.

DS and I ended up with basically an entourage of body guards from the time of his death until the funeral was over. I did bring DS to the funeral home. My mother came with us along with about 6 members of ex's family. She showed up while we were there with her sister and her kids. As soon as she saw us she high tailed it out of there. No one even said anything to her.

We went to the funeral too. We sat in the back. There were 3 entire rows of my family, including DH and my parents, and several of DS's teachers and his principal. She refused to let DS sit with the family. She didn't show a single ounce of sadness during the funeral. She kept turning and staring at DS. She never cried a tear until it was over and they started letting us walk out. Them she had this huge dramatic loud bad actress sobbing going on. Everyone was looking for me and DS outside of the church. DS couldn't handle the people coming up to him to talk to him about his dad. He took off for the car and DH and I followed him.

We went to the grave side service too. She was the first one to leave after it was finished. We found out later that she was an hour late to the family dinner. When she finally showed up she was laughing and carrying on like it was a party. She continued to torment this family for nearly a year afterwards. Including refusing to give them anything of his. She donated it all to a thrift shop and they had to go and buy back mementos that they had wanted.

She started dating one of his best friends less than 6 months after he died. She was a real winner...

tankh21's picture

Yeah I am not like that. I did admit that ESMOD had a point that as long as BM is quiet and doesn't cause a scene that she can sit in the back if she wants to and not anywhere near me. Not letting a child go to their parent's own funeral it just messed up. The ex is another story.

Kes's picture

If my DH were to die - the only good thing about it would be that I would have carte blanche to behave EXACTLY as I liked to NPD BM. If she were to show up at his funeral I would punch her as hard as I could, which is what I have been dying to do for the last 15 years.
I would also be able to give up all pretence of having a relationship with my SDs.

tankh21's picture

As much as I want to knock out the teeth BM has left. That piece of garbage is not worth going to jail for and losing everything I have.

MoominMama's picture

Oh Kes, that made me laugh. If I didn't have arthritic messed up hands I would do the same to my BM in the same situation. I certainly would give SD the unadulterated truth out loud.

Aniki-Moderator's picture

Kes, I KNOW that, should DH pass before I do, I will have NO relationship with the skids. If they actually try, I will block them.

IDontCare3117's picture

Honestly, it sounds like you're looking for something to be mad over with BM or spoiling for a fight with her. You're DH isn't dead, and there are no immediate funeral plans. Why are you so concerned and hot under the collar for something that ISN'T happening and hopefully won't happen any time soon?

DaizyDuke's picture

I guess I look at it as it's one day.. a couple of hours. You really can't be the better person for a couple of hours? SO what if BM makes a scene, then SHE is the one who looks the fool. I'd rather have that, than exclude her and make myself look the fool for excluding her when skids would need her most.

WagiMorri's picture

I think a funeral is a very ridiculous space to show spite for another person. The only time I would not allow someone to be at a funeral is if they were:

1. A danger to someone present
2. A perpetrator of violence or any crime to a person present
3. Making it clear that their attendance was solely to cause pain to others who were mourning

When I attended DH's funeral, he and I had been separated. If anyone came up to me and told me I had no right to be there, I would have told them to go f***k themselves. I was in mourning just like everyone else and had come to pay my respects. Thankfully, despite his family showing themselves to be a bit petty and spiteful, I was not asked to leave and a solemn event was not used as a way to punish who they pleased.
I suggest putting more time into considering a living will and all of the truly more complicated parts of navigating someone's passing. The funeral, while often expensive and heartbreaking, is the least complicated part.

justkeepstepping's picture

This past year a high school friend of mine lost her husband and father of her children to suicide. They had been separated for a short amount of time because of drug use. It was horrible. Her in-laws fought her over his body. They had him sent to a funeral home without telling her. They told the people he was divorced and even started planning the funeral. She found out later that day and the funeral home she had already talked to had to go pick the body up. It ended up so bad between them that there was never a funeral. I still feel bad for her. Sad

notasm3's picture

Most of you know the story about how BM did not tell DH when their older son died. She held the funeral out of state and told everyone that DH couldn't be bothered to come. True evil. Ss32 was also complicit in that travesty.

DH is close to his son, but respects my wishes not to ever lay eyes on him again. Honestly I would do everything in my power not have to deal with either of them if DH predeceases me. I am older than DH. But his cousins seem to be dropping like flies in their mid 60s.

I don't think BM would come. SS would arrive belligerently drunk out of his mind and start destroying things and throwing punches. Wish I was making that up.

fairyo's picture

You employ security to turn people away from a Catholic church? Wow. We have Catholics in Fairyland too and I never came across this kind of thing, maybe it is because we welcome saints and sinners alike and the holy water is evil-resistant...

Acratopotes's picture

If they come to the service there's nothing you can do about it, I would not mind at all, after all they did share a life together and they did have a kid...... so BM is welcome if she wants to...

but with what happens after the service, nope sorry not welcome cause you are not invited.... I will not allow her to come into the house for cake or what ever, she can attend the service and leave... nothing more.

Tiger7's picture

About year ago, my SO told me that if anything ever happens to him, he does not want his ex-wife at this funeral. He really can't stand her and he made me promise....lol. Even through my grief, I would be happy to turn her away. Although I wouldn't have to....his sisters would do it for me.

Pear's picture

Barring extenuating circumstances, yes I think an ex can attend a funeral. We encounter many people in our lives. Some of those encounters are complicated. That doesn’t mean we don’t mourn those people.

fairyo's picture

Here in Fairyland anyone who knew the deceased is welcome to a funeral- I went to my ex-parent's in laws funerals and my ex came to my mum's funeral. These things are about honouring the dead, not causing WW3. The party after, different matter, but a funeral is a public occasion.