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Hopeandpeace's picture

I have been happily married for 8 years to a loving and caring hubby - we have had our ups and downs which were mainly about our children. I have a grown up daughter and son and my husband has one grown up son. Overall my husband is a good stepdad and after the usual teething problems my children get on relatively well with him. When he has tried to lay the law down over the years - which I found hard to accept, I think my disapproval may have given my son the wrong message because whenever he is behaving selfishly and my husband makes sarcastic remarks my son comes to me with a lot of verbal guilt tripping, saying that I put my husband before him and many other hurtful and upsetting things. I try to reason with him and sometimes it works, but it feels as though he is still jealous of my relationship and I don't know how to handle him any more because he has a very bad temper and gets quite verbally aggressive.

My step son gave us some major problems from day one, he felt I was taking his dad away from him and was very rebellious, I did everything to make him feel welcome but to no avail. He clashed very badly with my husband who values respect in the home and has over the years lived with us on and off. My husband would never allow his son to be rude or disrespectful to me which I appreciated, but his son caused other problems for me. My children were envious but they had more stability and were not too bad. My daughter found her way and has just moved in with her boyfriend, my son is unsettled backwards and forward to the USA working for short periods, which my husband is not happy with. He feels at 25 he should be more settled, this has created major problems for me.

My stepson turned up recently which I was pleased about because I know my husband wants to have a relationship with him - he told us he was separated from his long term girlfriend and it looks like he wants to move back in with us (he is 30) he has a 10 year old child who he doesn't see? Coupled with all of this I have am approaching menopause and have been very emotional the past few years and am trying to practice Mindfulness and be more positive so I deal with the constant upheaval. My ex has shown no responsibility with my children and when I asked him to have our son for a few weeks when he was being difficult he refused, so my husband has had to take on the full father role. My ex also tells my son that the family home is more his than my husbands!!! The house was mine and my husband invested a great deal of money making it a beautiful home for us all. I was not used to having a man in the home (my ex was never around) so we all found it very difficult when my husband tried to lay the law down, I would disagree with him if I thought he was too strict or harsh and sometimes he feels that I put the kids before him and feels used!!!!

I AM TRYING TO SUMMARISE THE PAST 10 YEARS - THAT'S WHY I AM JUMPING FROM ONE THING TO ANOTHER. Smile Sad

I am always happy for the kids to pop in and have dinner with us, but sometimes my husband is not as welcoming saying they have moved out and that it is not their home now. They do sometimes take advantage but I get very confused with this. Overall my husband is very generous but seems to crave gratitude and when he feels it's not given, gets very sarcastic and quiet.

I have carried a sack full of guilt for many years which I am trying to control but feel a little confused and lost at the moment and would welcome any advice.

Thank you in advance.

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hereiam's picture

If your husband feels that your 25 year old son is not settled enough, surely he doesn't feel it's okay for his 30 year old son to move back in with you? After all, he has moved out and that his not his home anymore.

I must say, I do not go running to my dad anytime his wife does or says something that I disagree with. Your son is an adult and there is no reason for him to put you in the middle and put a guilt trip on you. Maybe your husband could communicate with him in another way besides sarcasm?

If both of you don't agree to your adult kids just "popping in" for dinner or what not, then I suggest you let your kids know to call ahead of time from now on. I really can't say I blame him there, I'm the same way.

It sounds like you and your husband need to communicate so that you both know how the other one feels and can talk about it and go from there. Sounds like some compromises can be made, like he knocks off his sarcastic remarks and your kids call before coming over.

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Thank you for your response. You are absolutely right that about my son, most of the time he doesn't tell me, because he says I usually speak with my husband and it make things worse for him I am afraid of my husband speaking with him because my son has warned me that he will physically hit my husband if he tries to lay the law down again. But even if he doesn't come to me, there is an atmosphere which tells me something is not right and this is what I can't handle, friction in my home.

My daughter does let me know shes's coming, the problem is when they are not coming for dinner and end up eating. I am fine with it but my husband is obviously not - maybe it's a mum and dad thing!!

My son just came and apologised for the verbal abuse he has been giving me the past few days which I was very pleased about - but sadly it escalated into more verbal abuse saying I don't care about him (which is total rubbish) he seems to need a lot of glorified praise and when I tried to reason with him - he ended up going places he should not and saying very personal things. He said my husband is using me for his own means?????? I am torn between wanting to help my son and wondering if he wants me to leave my husband out of selfish jealousy. As he is just back from the USA at the moment he goes out all night, sleeps all day and watches telly into the morning hours leaving all the lights on. My husband apparently made a remark to him about it. My son was screaming at me saying that it's his house too and he can watch telly whenever he wants. He has a telly in his room but not all the channels he likes watching. This is my fault because before I met my husband my kids ran the house and did what they wanted.

I always told my children that they came first and my son seems to have a problem if he thinks I am considering my husbands feelings when they have a disagreement. I explained to him that he is grown up now and not a child and my relationship with my husband is totally different to mine and his. I think my son is emotionally very immature like his father. Sad but I do feel he used a lot of emotional guilt tripping on me and when he thinks it's not working he goes mad - it's funny though that when he hears my husband coming in he stops arguing with me.??

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Also I feel that I have to let my step son move back in with us otherwise my husband may ask my son to leave too.

hereiam's picture

Yes, I forgot or didn't realize that your son stays with you. That does change things.

And I agree with LadyFace, your son is abusive and needs to go.

LuckyGirl's picture

Both those men (because at their ages that is what they are supposed to be) should grow a pair and act like responsable grown ups.

Your son is taking advantage of you and using you - and your stepson intends to do the same thing. It's time they behaved like "big boys" and fend for themselves. Stop enabling them to behave like rude, entitled, petuland children.

As for your husband, while I can understand his frustration somewhat, he needs to learn to express his views in a more reasonable manner.

Get both of those spongers out of the door and focus on yourself and your marriage.

Hopeandpeace's picture

Thank you for all your comments, they do help me get things into perspective - I appreciate that you do not have the full history, but an outsiders viewpoint and opinion helps a great deal.

It's very hard to admit to yourself your son is a behaving badly but I agree with you, I am very soft and compassionate and that gets in the way of everything.

Thank you.

Hopeandpeace's picture

Hi there, I didn't realise it was nearly two years ago that I posted this. Unfortunately things have gone downhill since then. My ex husband has wound my son up something rotten, telling him that the family home is his and that my husband has no right to tell him to leave ( my husband has spent £300k on my house and has supported us financially for many years). My ex husband refused to take my son in to give us all break from the conflict and this made my husband feel used by both of them and made him feel resentful to my son. My son expected my husband to provide while he worked abroad periodically returning for 4 months a year to live with us making no contribution whatsoever.

They had words with my son told my husband that I would eventually leave him when I realise what he is really like (total rubbish). I tried to get them to sit down and talk and it went very badly and ended up with my son physically attacking my husband and pushing him to the ground. I was hysterical and tried to stop it, but my son held my husband down on the floor. Thankfully my husband did not fight back and kept telling my son to stop and that he would not fight back. My son did not punch my husband thank god. My son was shouting that he was going to smash up the whole house so my husband called the police, I was against this, but I felt I could not handle the situation any further and had to let things take their course. I was traumatised but also felt a sense of major relief when my son left. He was ok with me and my daughter when he left, but it then escalated to major hurt, anger and resentment. This was nearly a year ago and our relationship is non-existent. I send my son emails because he has blocked me on his phone and I have been constantly positive. I was worried he would harm himself which he has told me he thought of doing so I have not scolded him in any way. He has been very disrespectful and critical of me and said how could a mother put a stranger before her own son. I now wonder whether I should have been a bit firmer.

I know my son has issues with reference to his bio father, and I feel very guilty about this, but he is 27 now and I feel he needs to take responsibility and stop blaming everyone else.

I sent him a birthday card and put my husbands name on it too and my son went ballistic. My emotions are severely up and down, I have been on a spiritual journey and this helps me enormously.

My two brothers sympathise with my son and have been very critical of me - this obviously contributes to my sons feelings that he right and we are wrong.

I try to be positive and adopt the fact that what will be will be and that I cannot force anything.

I would appreciate any advice especially from someone who may have experienced a similar situation.

Many thanks

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Also my son ignores my emails and when he does reply it's negative ranting and criticism. I decided to not email him for a few months and when I did to see how he was, he complained that I didn't care about him and I was selfish and a bad mother to not contact him for so long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????????? I can't win. I am getting tired of being positive, supportive and compassionate to him.

Rags's picture

You are his mother and he should have no choice but to interface with you with respect. I suggest that you quit dealing with him with kid gloves and get firm. He needs clarity that you are not his life long punching bag and beck and call hugger. He is an adult, he needs to act like one.

He needs clarity that you are married and that your DH is your life partner. Your son is not your life partner nor are you his.

Take care of you.

secret's picture

He's used to verbally abusing you and getting his way. He lays down the guilt, and you jump. He needs glorified praise because that's what you trained him to need...

if you leave your husband because your 25 year old manbaby is jealous, I don't know what to say. You're married to your husband, but you treat your son like a mini-husband.

Your husband is right when he says they've moved out and it is not their home. It's NOT! It's his and yours! It's their family home, sure... and they should be welcome... but it's not their house. Him screaming that it's his house too? Hell NO - he's provileged to be able to come crash there... and your husband is right - there's a big difference between a settled 30 year old, coming back to say with dad to get back on his feet after a breakup/big life change, and a loser 25 year old who just comes and goes basically mooching off the mom he has under his thumb.

You have raised an entitled selfish little sh!t - if my kids talked to me the way you're saying yours talks to you, he'd have a handprint across his face for days. (Not really, but you get the idea.)

As to coming over then staying to eat... you're fine with it and your husband is not... have you considered that it's basic manners not to stay for dinner without being invited? Maybe you feel it's ok, because it's your kid... but maybe your husband had plans? maybe he wanted to spend time with you? Maybe there wasn't enough food and now he's put out? maybe now you've pulled out food he was saving for another time?

Maybe it's just, well, rude?

Your son is expecting to be supported, like a freaking child. Your ex won't take him - and he's right - why the hell would anyone WANT to put up a 25 year old loser? Kick him out - make him learn to support himself. Best thing you can do for him is force him to adult.

Your husband has disengaged - he no longer gives a crap - you've shown him that you will put him last. There's no relatinoship anymore, because you've shown him you don't care for one - you prefer to be the wife to your son.

Seriously lady - I'm starting to think this is all a big fat joke.

Hopeandpeace's picture

I appreciate your responses and value your opinions as outsiders.

Thank you Rags, Ladyface and Secret for taking the time to respond. My son has told me on several occasions that he thought of harming/killing himself and this plays on my mind. Just that tiny 1% is far too high a risk to take nowadays.

I know I have been soft and overcompensated because of the divorce and then meeting my husband who adores me, but it is very difficult when you are not strong enough to lay the law down (I am getting there though very quickly at the moment). My son was 13 when my husband moved in and he was troubled from the divorce that's why I was over protective. He found my husbands discipline difficult to accept and as his stepdad I didn't know what was right or wrong. We do the best we can at the time and it's usually when we look back that we realise our mistakes.

My husband threw my son out and he is living with his father, I can't call him dad because he hasn't been a dad to either of my children. My daughter who is 30 and has been through the same as my son is completely different, she is respectful and loving and is doing well as a teacher, she has her own house with her boyfriend so I don't feel like a complete failure as a mum.

To top all this off, my 2 brothers have sided with my son who they felt sorry for because he told them I allowed my husband to bully him for years. So I have had this to deal with as well. I put my foot down with them and it went really nasty, they are both unwell now, so I am on talking terms but keep my distance. We were a very close family, but since I met my husband, it has all gone mental. My husband is very loving and affectionate and puts me before everyone, but he is also very straight and up front and can be quite sarcastic, what you see is what you get. My family are over-sensitive and misunderstand so easily that I walk on eggshells with all of them.

It has been a tough journey, but I know I have to be strong and step back from my son and have faith that everything will work out for the best. I just hope he doesn't do anything stupid.