Our family is struggling with a drug addict BM
While I was once a very active member here, that was in some of our darkest years. Thankfully, we've been able to reconcile our broken relationships with my SS & SD & continue to grow closer & closer to them again.
That said, their relationships with BM are crumbling. She's a pill addict & has been for nearly 8 years, as far as we're aware. I know that years before that, toward the end of her marriage with DH, she was using cocaine.
SS is now 22 & SD is 19. Both grown, but still living with BM. They both have jobs & are very responsible about getting up & getting themselves where they need to be on time.
BM hasn't worked since the early years of her marriage with DH. I don't know how many times she's filed for disability, but they won't give it to her. Why would they? She isn't disabled.
I don't know if BM ever stopped using after she left DH. I do know that the kids have been aware of & exposed to her drug use since ages 15 & 13. At 17, SS began holding her pills (doctor prescribed) & doling them out to her as prescribed because she was over-using & selling them. 5-6 days into her prescription, her pills would be gone & she'd hit the street looking for something to buy. Why would she sell hers if she was having to go back out to buy??? It's the logic of an addict.
When SS started "rationing" her pills to her, she would demand more. When he didn't give them to her, she would get physical. Police would be called & her mother (who lives next door) would come over, tell the police she'd take of things & they would leave. As this cycle continued, as soon as the police were called, BM would leave. Police were given a description of her & her vehicle & said they would "keep an eye out for her". For what??? Her pills were prescribed.
After several years, DH convinced SS to stop holding the pills. It was a responsibility that was not his to take. He was trying to force his mother to follow his rules. He was involving himself in something that was not his to control. Him holding simply sent her to the street & she had no problem finding what she wanted. All-in-all, it was causing more problems than it was solving.
As her addiction has progressed, she has threatened suicide if the police are called. She threatens to drive herself off the road or into traffic.
She called one morning & told them she'd checked herself into a 30-day rehab program. She would call every couple of days to tell them how she was doing, but gave herself away by calling from her cell phone. DH was telling me about it & my first thought was, a program allows limited contact with people outside. Even then, phone calls are made from the facility...not personal cell phones. Sure enough, the kids called every facility in the state & she wasn't checked into any of them. The final giveaway was when she showed up at home 28 days later claiming she finished her 30-day program. Apparently she lost 2 days somewhere.
Anyway (I know this getting long) as it stands, it's become her "normal" to stay gone for 6, 7, 8 days at a time & come home & crash for one or two before she heads out for another binge.
Mother's Day was the most recent altercation, as the kids were supposed to take her out for dinner. She showed up Saturday, after 6 days away. When she got home, the kids had Mother's Day cards & gifts for her. She got mad because her bedding was in the washing machine. They tried to give her their cards & gifts & She tore them up without even reading them. Then she crashed...no bedding, no blanket. She still had her shoes on.
Sunday, SS & his GF took GF's mom out for lunch. They were coming back to get SD & BM to take BM to dinner. SD went in to wake her up to get ready & she flew hot. She was pissed that SD woke her up. She said something about nobody cared enough to give her anything for Mother's Day. When SD reminded her that she'd given her 2 gifts & a card & SS had given her flowers & card, she told SD to "leave me the fuck alone". SD told her to "grow the fuck up & act like an adult" & BM punched her square in the face.
This shit is out of hand.
The kids are grown & the best thing for them is remove themselves. While they are taking responsibility for themselves, they're trying to save someone who doesn't want to save herself. If it were anyone but their mother, I don't think they'd feel pressed to stay. I know that the decision to leave has to be theirs, but being that she is the one they grew up with, & being that they were raised to be her protectors & keepers, it's something they continue to obligated to do.
It's clear to those of us outside of their situation to see that they can't protect her from herself. For them, though, it's different. They feel like if they stop trying, it means they're giving up. If they leave her & something happens, they'll feel at fault. Having been in this situation for so long that while it hurts, it's become a familiar & I think comfortable (in an odd way) place for them.
Her mother is right there, & is someone they can talk to. She knows the dirty details. They aren't ashamed to be open with her about it. While she's an outlet for them, because she's right there & she's been in the middle of it all & continues to encourage not ruffling BM's feathers, rather than helping them escape this, she's part of the problem.
Does anyone have advice for how we can help them escape this? We've done all we know to do. We've offered, & continue to offer a place for them in our home. We've been available to listen anytime they want to talk. I find that they both seem hesitant to reach out to us for help, & I figure that has to do with feeling the need to protect her from criticism. Not that we do, but as there has always been friction between BM & DH, they don't want to bring her shame to his attention. It's embarrassing for them & they know that it only confirms her fault in their split.
Are there books that someone could recommend, that maybe share experiences of other adult children who have lived this & how they were able to escape the feeling of responsibility for their parent?
I found ST in our darkest years of alienation. We've been through the worst, survived it & beat it. I'm back now, hoping to find some answers here, to help us all come through this together, happy & healthy.
ETA: We've suggested counseling for the kids, to help them learn how to move themselves forward without feeling like they're deserting their mom, & we've suggested groups...we've offered to go with them or if they'd rather do it themselves, we would support them. Again, BM's mother is shutting it down, suggesting that because BM is their family, that's where it needs to stay. It's no surprise to me that her pride & her need to keep this hush-hush ranks higher than the life of her daughter & the mental health of her grandchildren...
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That's all I've been able to
That's all I've been able to come up with myself.
We fought for them...for their mental health, for counseling, for their need for a relationship with BOTH parents as they were growing up...until the judge declared them "responsible enough to make their own decisions" at 13 & 15. Because the courts favor mothers, even as adults, they'll continue to suffer from the effects of that judge's failure to consider the best interest of the children.
And your DH had to pay her
And your DH had to pay her child support too, right?
Most of these judges don't give a rats ass about "the best interest of the children." It's more about keeping the money wheel spinning and trying to mitigate the need of the "mother" being on welfare. UGG!!!
He did. In fact, the end of
He did. In fact, the end of CS is when this really escalated.
How come they are both still
How come they are both still living with her? Because they feel like they need to take care of her? You say they have jobs, so I'm assuming could support themselves, or live with dad or may even grandma.. so why do they stay with her?
Yes, they stay with her
Yes, they stay with her because they feel the need to take of her. They feel pressed to "save" her.
Yes, they both have FT jobs. They've been offered a place with grandma (which, even if they accepted, they'd still be next door & remain just as involved in the situation) & we have a standing offer for a place with us.
It's the responsibility they feel to protect her that keeps them from feeling like they can leave.
She spends days away & they sit & worry until she comes home. When she comes home, they give her hell, she gives it back, she sleeps it off & she's gone again.
They're depressed. They stay physically ill with worry. I realize that just like they can't make her see what's best for herself, we can't make them see what's best for themselves. They feel an obligation to handle this. A large part of that stems from being raised to be her "protectors" & large part of it stems from their grandmother's idea of keeping family dirt inside the confines of the family.
Sounds like they are stuck in
Sounds like they are stuck in a very unhealthy pattern. And you know the old saying... insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Are they in any type of therapy?
It sounds like BM really needs some type of intervention, a threat that if she continues to do drugs etc. that she will no longer have a relationship with kids, mom, etc. But it also sounds like it's going to very hard to get them all on board.
DH is going to talk with them
DH is going to talk with them about counseling. I don't feel like it's realistic to expect them to simply let go of her. This situation is what they've known for 8 years now. She's their mother & I don't expect them to simply walk away.
They do need to talk with someone who can help them learn how to cope with a mother who is an addict, how to stop owning the responsibility of "fixing" her, & how to move themselves forward without feeling like they're abandoning her.
BM's mom made a big deal about staging a "family intervention". Her "intervention" consisted of SD, SS, & BM's mother gathering & telling her to go stay with her (1st) stepdad until she could accept that she needs help. LOL!
Yeah...she agreed. She took off, stayed gone for 6 days & came back home. Who knows where she went or who she was with, but it wasn't her (1st) stepdad's house.
BM's mom keeps halting anything that suggests going outside the walls of the family circle for help. She keeps telling the kids to "be strong", "don't give up", "families take care of each other".
sounds like she's upgraded to
sounds like she's upgraded to meth. this is what dumb@$$ used to do, she'd disappear for days on end and once even went out of state to errrr, ummmm, "visit" a relative for a month.
try al-anon. suggest it to the kids too. they, esp. ss, are taking on too much responsibility for her. they really need to move out and onto their own lives, although i suspect them staying is so they can watch for her safety - again, not their responsibility, and they need to realize this.
Would al-anon be a source for
Would al-anon be a source for DH & I, even if the kids didn't want to go? Would they be able to help us try to help them cope & move forward, or is it something that would really be more for the kids, as they deal with the addict directly?
it's open for everyone who's
it's open for everyone who's life is touched in some way by addiction. it'll help understand the addict's processes and what you can do to protect yourself - some things that you could mention to the kids w/o them actually attending, if they choose not to go.
hOW does BM support herself
hOW does BM support herself without working or are her grown children paying the bills? I bet Al-Anon would be a good resource for them
BM gets foodstamps. The kids
BM gets foodstamps. The kids pay for their expenses (gas, insurance, cell phones, internet). BM's live-in works FT. He's a functioning addict, & for whatever reason, he sticks around when she takes off. He works & hands his paycheck to BM's mother & between his paycheck & the money BM's mother is able to filter from her husband's (BM's stepdad) account, bills are covered.
"For Christ's Sake I cant
"For Christ's Sake I cant stand reading these posts anymore."
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Did you even read it to begin with???
The kids were living with her when they were minors because that's what the judge ordered. I have a lot of detail in my past blogs that you can read if you want to. If not...no biggie.
They're still living with their mother because they choose to. They feel an obligation to save her from something they have no control over. Yes, it's simple to tell them that, & we have, & we continue.
I'm not owning her addiction. I'm owning my family (my DH & my stepkids) & an issue that we (my DH & I) are trying to help my stepkids cope with.
How should DH have "showed his kids that they can't own her addiction"? Of course he's told them that they are not responsible for her choices. Of course he's told them that it isn't their place, nor is it healthy for them to be her caretaker. Of course he's told them that they need to remove themselves from this situation.
How are DH & I not acting like adults???
Of course BM addiction is not ours to own. It absolutely IS our responsiblity, as family to the kids, to be there & to encourage them & to help in any way we can when they're feeling lost.
How do you figure I made this my families problem???
Yes, we all have decisions to make. No, we cannot control the decisions of others. Yes, we can all choose to be happy & healthy. That said, there are times our family members lose their way or begin to feel lost, & it absolutely is our responsibility to show them love & support & offer our help when we can.
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Hey Storm, it's been a
Hey Storm, it's been a while.
I'm sorry to hear this is happening but all you can do is be their shoulder to lean on when they get emotionally exhausted. Eventually, when they have families of their own and thereby something more than themselves to "protect", they may very well cut off contact with her.
I know several people who have done this and were in similar situations as your skid and they all ended up cutting off contact, and all cite the health of their family as their number one reason.
Hang in there!
^^^this some areas even have
^^^this
some areas even have nar-anon or narc-anon (not sure what it's called) but al-anon will work if that's all there is in your area. same basic principals---it's not their fault, it's not their mess to clean
Oh I have been there. DD10's
Oh I have been there. DD10's biological father was addicted to pills. He went to rehab the first time when I was 7 months pregnant but it didn't do any good. He was in and out of rehab (he would never stay longer than a week) and the psych ward for suicide "attempts" and other attention getting maneuvers. Whenever he felt anyone was being too hard on him he would claim he was attempting suicide to get them to back off.
Finally, when DD was about 7 months old I said enough was enough and I left him and filed for divorce. I said at the time that he could not see DD until he was sober since she was so young and he had a history of leaving his pills laying on the floor. I recall one time we were in court for a child support hearing and he told the judge he was heading to rehab the next day and he wanted to see DD before he left. I maintained that when he was sober he could see her so the judge said "ok we will get you drug tested and if there is nothing in your system you don't have a prescription for you can see her before you leave." Sure, he had prescriptions for about half the pills but he was doctor/pharmacy shopping and was pulling scripts from about 3 docs a month and buying off the street for the rest but sure, he is safe to be around an infant. I often told my mom I wish he had been on heroin because no one would question my decision to keep DD away then.
He finally OD'd almost 6 1/2 years ago now. I think, all in all, it was better for DD that it worked out that way. She will never be in the position that your skids are.
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