BM is back at it...and I am at my wit's end
Hi everyone. Haven't posted in a while. I've tried a few times but blogs haven't been posting and I end up even more frustrated.
Anyway, you may remember that BM had begun "visiting" DH at his business soon after her last relationship ended. DH and I had a huge argument about it and he promised that he would put a stop to it. That was in September. Since then, things have been fairly quiet other than the usual BM power plays like manipulating the CO, not returning SD6's belongings to us, inviting my husband trick or treating, etc.
Fast forward to last night. We had not seen SD6 for approx. 3 weeks due to the Thanksgiving holiday. DH did visit her at school one day last week to help with a project. I met DH, MIL and SD out to get Santa pics and have dinner. Afterward, SD wanted to ride home with me. On the way we were talking about the holiday and I said that her Dad had missed her a lot since we had not seen her for so long. She pipes up and says "Yes he has. He saw me when me and mommy visited him at work on mommy's birthday." I felt like I had been punched in the gut. Wtf?? We got home, got SD to bed then I let it rip.
DH had a million excuses about how it was no big deal, he forgot to mention it to me, blah, blah, blah.
I am hurt and sad beyond belief. I told him that I wanted to see a sent email to BM with my own eyes that lays out proper boundaries or it is over. But now, I don't even know if I want to stay in this marriage. DH has not apologized and is actually acting angry at me. I didn't sleep at all last night.
What do you all think? Should I stay, is this worth saving? If I do stay, how should I handle this? I really don't want BM thinking she made me jealous. Because I'm not jealous of her. But do feel as though DH prioritizes her feelings over mine.
Thanks in advance for any advice.
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Actually, it is only the
Actually, it is only the first time that I know of since September. He didn't tell me about this, why would he be truthful about anything else? Also, I asked him to put boundaries in place and trusted that he did so. But he didn't, therefore this happened again. Also, SD has been present every time (that is BM's "excuse" for dropping by). So, I trusted my DH to put an end to the visits, he did nothing, then lied by omission. I have 3 very right to be angry with both he and BM.
I see both sides here. Did
I see both sides here. Did DH invite BM to come to his work? most likely not, she just showed up and what was he going to do, run her off with SD in tow? BUT the part where I WOULD be questioning my marriage, is the part where DH conveniently "forgot" to tell his WIFE about the visit, when this was something they have fought about and discussed in the past.
Omission is right up there with flat out lying in my book and I don't do lying. I mean it would just make me wonder what else he is conveniently omitting?
"he'd rather piss her off
"he'd rather piss her off than piss of his ex"
I hate this
While I agree with you that
While I agree with you that he may have felt his hands were tied, I keep thinking about my SO. When BM or one of the Skids does something that SO knows will piss me off. He starts the convo with, I know you won't like this, but blah blah blah happened today and I will/did speak to BM/Skids about it. I just wanted you to know.
How can you say it only
How can you say it only happened this one time since the argument in September? This is the one time OP happened to find out about.
His hands were not tied. He chose to be a pansy about it...both with BM & with his wife.
The workplace is not for socializing. It's okay for his daughter to know that. It is not painful to his daughter to say "This is my workplace. It's inappropriate for you to drop in here".
Thank you, my thoughts
Thank you, my thoughts exactly.
Ladyface, it's like you're
Ladyface, it's like you're in my head!! Correct on all counts.
This reminds me of my current
This reminds me of my current situation with DH. Although it doesn't involve BM, but a female employee of his that he has to travel with. He avoids mentioning that she is going with him on out of town (sometimes out of state) trips, because he knows I can't stand her, and that she has crossed boundaries that I am not ok with- i.e.- texting my husband after work hours regarding non work related topics. Attempting to engage him in conversation. She has a crush on him. She is young, and stupid. When this happened ONE TOO MANY TIMES, I told DH... I can't be mad at him, he doesn't initiate the conversations, and he always has short non-personal responses, but I do 100% expect him to put a stop to it. He had a meeting with her (with an additional female manager present) and told her that she was not to text him unless it is work related that is it inappropriate for her to do so, it is difficult enough on his family that he travels so much, and now he has to travel with females, and while "my wife hasn't had an issue it" (even though I DID have an issue with it) it was his job to put a stop to it before she was under the impression that they are anything more than boss and employee. NOT FRIENDS.
No, he can't control WHO texts him, or in your case, who stops by to see him. BUT it is completely within his power to tell her that it inappropriate and needs to stop. He can do so without the child present. That is not an unreasonable request.
Sorry, I don't agree with you
Sorry, I don't agree with you on telling kids you miss them. I don't make her feel bad about spending time with BM and I sure like to know I am missed when I haven't seen someone in a while. Why wouldn't a child feel the same?
You can let kids know that
You can let kids know that you miss them without making them feel guilty for spending time with their other parent.
Example: "I love you miss you & hope you have a great time with your mom. I'll see you next time!"
If you say it in a happy & positive voice, it sends the message in a positive way.
If you call & ask when they're coming back & tell them that you're so sad without them, etc...different story. Don't make them feel like you're falling apart without them.
IMO, it's perfectly okay &
IMO, it's perfectly okay & possibly necessary for your DH to (politely) express the importance of boundaries with his child present. No need to be crappy about it, but he can simply say "It's inappropriate for you to drop in at my workplace. I have things I need to get done." Then he can tell his daughter he loves her & give her a hug & send her & BM on their way.
If it needs to be addressed more aggressively than that, he can have a conversation with BM to let her know that he will not see her if she comes to his place of work again, & then he needs to follow through.
It's okay for children to understand that there are boundaries. They SHOULD know that so that they can practice them as well.
It is your DH's responsibility, as your husband, to protect your marriage. If he willing to hurt you to protect BM, there is someone out there more deserving of your love & attention.
It was BM who came to visit, but your DH didn't nip it & the fact that he didn't tell you about it indicates that he knows he should have handled it differently.
After your first argument about this with him, he promised he would put a stop to it & he didn't. He didn't keep his promise to you & to keep from having to deal with you, he kept it secret.
Maybe he doesn't like confrontation. I don't either, but I sure as shit am NOT willing to sacrifice the trust of my DH to avoid it.
Like ExhaustedSM, I think you need to assess your marriage & your feelings & decide whether to stay or go. I hope that as you think about all of this, you'll consider your worth, what you have brought to your marriage, & what you want from a spouse.
You deserve to be loved, cherished & respected. I hope you'll keep that in the front of your mind as you make your decision.
Thank you for this very sound
Thank you for this very sound and thoughtful advice.
I guess I am lucky. My DH
I guess I am lucky. My DH would tell me immediately even if he knew it was going to piss me off.
I'm with you misSTEP. I
I'm with you misSTEP. I count my lucky stars that I have a DH who respects me enough to be honest with me...the good, the bad, & the ugly.
He knows very well that though I may be pissed off about something he tells me, I'll be FAAARRRR more pissed if he doesn't tell & I find out. And as long as he's forthcoming with things, I have no reason not to trust him or to accuse him of being dishonest. That's one thing I've been very clear about that I cannot forgive.
It also helps my situation that the shit BM does bothers DH more than it does me.
DH did this to me once and
DH did this to me once and only once when we were still dating. He knew how much I hated BM2 and how much I hated them having any contact at all, much less unnecessary contact that did NOT involve SS15. So anyway, I had a treadmill that was starting to act like it was on the fritz and ended up getting a new one. DH moved the old one out to the garage and I didn't think anything about it for quite a while because I didn't really go in the garage much.
So one day a couple of months later, for some reason the old treadmill came to mind and I didn't recall seeing it out in the garage the last time I was out there, so I asked DH what he ended up doing with it. His response : "Oh, I thought I told you?? I gave it to BM2." WTF? I about kicked him in the nuts. No you didn't fucking THINK you told me, you purposely DIDN'T tell me because you KNEW I'd be pissed! I asked him how the fuck did this came about anyway??? He said that she had told him a while back that she was looking for a treadmill, so when I got the new one, he asked her if she wanted the old one, he said one day when SS was over, he helped him load it on the truck and he delivered it to BM when he took SS home. Of course on a day that I was conveniently NOT there! He said it saved him from taking it to the dump and paying the fee and he thought it was kind of funny because the thing was on the fritz anyway. Whatever. I didn't just fall off the damn turnip truck, he snuck around and did this and THEN had the nerve to "forget" to tell me.
I told him if I EVER found out that he conveniently "forgot" to tell me something like that again, I would kick him in the nuts and leave him. I think he got the point.
I had a similar issue with BM
I had a similar issue with BM calling SO at work which inspired my first blog on ST. Funny how I was questioning how to respond about BM calling my man at work in April. And now, I am enjoying the fact that after a few fights and ending the relationship for a few days, SO realized how stupid it was to allow her to call him and he got it put into the court order that communication is email only. It only took 9 months.
I stayed calm for as long as I could, then I flipped. He lied by omission at first. I flipped about that, too. Because the truth is... that this woman is doing that to show her place in your man's life. And she's being sneaky about it by not coming to your home and going to his job instead. She is messing with YOU. She's causing problems and trying to get attention, showing that she's relevant, and putting herself on your level in the present since she had his child in the past.
Do not let her do this. Do not allow your man to let another woman in like this. Stand your ground. The EX needs to be knocked down and put into her place!
And it needs to be done by your man - with your help, of course. Because men don't get it! They have no idea how women manipulate them. If they did, none of us would be here.
He needs to write her an email, that YOU approve, to make her stop showing up at his job... and I know some people will say that's controlling, however, she is not fucking with HIM, she's fucking with YOU, and your man needs to protect YOU and YOUR relationship from the drama that HE brought into your life. Since you can't tell the bitch not to VISIT your man at his job, he needs to do it. Sorry, but I cannot feel safe in a relationship if my man can't protect me from his ex and won't put up and GUARD boundaries to protect us.
These BM's do this shit in public, with kids around, but please know they are messing with you and your man. Let your man have his anger about your reaction. Let him stew. Then as logically as you can, explain to him how manipulative Baby Mamas act, why they act that way, and how to protect his wife/relationship from his ex, or else he can go through this life by himself. Do not compromise! Trust me...the anger and fights are worth it...he should not allow another woman to insert herself into your circle! And he absolutely CAN stop his ex from visiting his job. He's a pussy if he can't.
Thank you! I agree with your
Thank you! I agree with your reasoning completely. It is more the disrespect than the lack of trust I am angry about. The fact that he refuses to defend and protect me. And you are correct, she is doing this to get at me, not at him. I think I will read your response to him word for word.
Haha, since I'm so brash your
Haha, since I'm so brash your words would be better, but glad to help! I just cannot compromise on this point and it used to tick me off that I, his woman, didn't interrupt him at work, but he was allowing another woman (someone he used to bang!) do that.
Also, another woman should NOT be allowed to disrespect ME and drive a wedge between me and my man...and if we're fighting about another woman, either he needs to do something about it or I will...and my answer is to LEAVE! I have options and SO knows he could be replaced - QUICKLY!
Truly, the only thing that stopped my man from doing this was explaining to him the possible way that BM was interpreting HIS behavior. I mean, why else would she interrupt him at work? What is she thinking? All she sees it that he allows it. And she probably LOVES thinking that either he's hiding it from you or telling you and y'all are fighting about it.
I explained it to SO like this:
She calls him at work and thinks,
"I can call him whenever I want. I'M HIS CHILD'S MOTHER. I matter and I will forever!"
--- Thanks, DH. You've made her matter by allowing this.
Or she's thinking, "I bet he's not going to tell his wife about this! We have a private relationship and she will never break us apart!"
--- Thanks again, DH. Now she thinks you all share something behind my back.
Or she's thinking, "I need some attention. I'll go get some from my ex! Where's my makeup? And that cute low-cut top in his favorite color? Maybe he'll start thinking about me again."
--- Once again, FAIL DH by not telling her to leave!
Or, "I bet he'll tell his wife that I showed up at his job. I can hear them fighting all night!"
--- Thanks, DH!!!
No matter how you slice it, she thinks that she's either getting over on HIM or on YOU - and he's letting her!
I can't handle that. In the fights between SO and I, it got to a point where I told him that I cannot be in a relationship with him if he feels the need to have a "private" relationship with ANY other woman. That's MY boundary. I don't need to guess about what's going on... I shouldn't have to. I don't make him guess. And my ex (with whom I share a child) has the decency NOT to interrupt me at work - and we're cool with each other. I couldn't understand why my man was letting someone he can't stand interrupt him...even though he reasoned rightly that his children could be in danger.
I made him send her an email outlining that she was not to call him at work. His first email sucked. I made him rewrite it. That one sucked, too, so WE wrote it together.
BM didn't respond, but she got it. She knew it had "Blayze" written all over it because about a month later she replied to THAT email during another one of her manipulations. She probably assumed I wrote it...but that's a good thing! She doesn't call at work - it's court-ordered and she also knows that there is nothing private between me and SO. We're a team = impenetrable. And that's how she needs to feel. On the outside looking in!
I don't understand the poster
I don't understand the poster who thinks it's ok to lie or not tell you something because that's easier than having to deal with the other person's feelings about it. I can tell you that at work, if I just don't tell my boss about a missed deadline or problem with a project, she's not going to say, "Oh, that's ok, you just didn't want to deal with my negative reaction. By not meeting your commitments, we've lost a huge client and damaged the reputation we've been building for years. No problem! In the past, you've met some deadlines and failing to report an issue has not called your past performance into question at all. In fact, I'm sorry that you may have feared my criticism or concerns and I take full responsibility. No one could possibly expect you to do so. Here's a raise! "
Word to the mutha! Lol You're
Word to the mutha! Lol
You're absolutely right.