O/T Question about opposite sex working together
I am just wanting to know if your SO was going to be working out of town with the opposite sex would you think they should tell you?
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I am just wanting to know if your SO was going to be working out of town with the opposite sex would you think they should tell you?
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Yes they should. Other
Yes they should. Other details would be relevant, whether they're driving together, other coworkers going too, hotel, dinners? For example if my husband was going out of town with just another female and driving together..
SO was so worried at one
SO was so worried at one point that a male friend of mine that I met at work 25 years ago was more. SO was curious if I was such good friend with him how was it never romantic. I know that I had got on SO phone several years ago behind his back because I knew he was over communicating with BM because we are on the same phone plan and I wanted to prove it. It was about the kids but I needed to prove how much. He doesn't think I look at his texts anymore. I don't want to make this to long , but the first women was hired into his company. Working from home, no traveling , so only phone communication with SO for assistance. I didn't care. Then phone calls started coming in earlier then they ever had . I know work is super busy for him right now. He deals with alot of issues on the phone with work. He talked about how much he is bothered. I am always curious about his job. We were not talking about the woman but the department she works in should be calling other people. I needed his phone , I saw her contact and then realized she was the one early in the morning. And some conversations are extremely long Still whatever she is new he has been there many years. I get she needs help. Also it doesn't look like anything bad , she just is a little over the top with , thank yous and you are the best with stuff he was helping her with. But some women do that. I was on His phone for something yesterday a text comes thru and he asks me what it was . It wasn't her. But while I was looking I saw a text that said what hotel are you staying at. so I pulled it up and saw she will be out of town with him. I didn't say I looked because we went thru this me snooping things already. I was able to start a conversation later that lead to me asking if this woman ever would be going out of town. It doesn't matter how I got there. He straight up said no. So why the lie. I don't want to not trust him. BM cheated on him for years and he is disgusted by people that cheat. Maybe he thinks I would just get upset. I don't know but it isn't setting well with me.
Was it her asking what hotel
Was it her asking what hotel he is staying at... Cause that doesn't sound good
Also its not good that he lied saying she is not going out of town.
So... Regardless if you snooped, he is lying that another woman is not going out of town when she is. He should have told the truth... It's dishonest and shady.
Yes she was asking what hotel
Yes she was asking what hotel he booked at so she could book also. I don't like that he is not being honest about it. I don't know if he is just trying to not make me uncomfortable with it. Well this makes it worse. I know he can't help if the company sends her , but with how she texts him. I am a little uneasy.
It's the lie. That's why you
It's the lie. That's why you can't trust him.
What valid reason does he
What valid reason does he have to lie?
I really don't know. Maybe he
I really don't know. Maybe he thinks not telling is going to help me not think about a woman being in the same hotel as him. I wish I understood because the lying isn't okay. I know he can't help who his works sends out of town.
By the way, I think it's
By the way, I think it's totally normal for a spouse to mention any/every colleague's name who is going out of town with them, male, female, nonbinary, gay, straight, married, single, whatever. Purposely not mentioning it is odd.
I agree. I ask him everytime
I agree. I ask him everytime who is going out of town with him, which hotel he is staying at(because he gets us points and I like to know how many we are getting ), and if whoever he is going out of town with is at the same hotel(because of the points he doesn't always stay at the same place as his coworkers).It is normal for me to do this each and everytime.It is me being interested in his job. We talk about our work to each other always. I gave him another opportunity to tell me when I asked him all of that this morning. He said it was Dave , He got defensive and said why are you asking me. I said I always do and he agreed I always do and then changed the subject. If he is protecting me by not telling me, he is making it worse by lying. I do think I have to call him out on it.
Yes
you do need to call him out on it. He has a history of hiding truths from you - and he's doing it again. It was bad enough when it was just about his texts with BM it was bad enough but this takes it to a whole new level. How do know what else he's hiding?
You don't. That's the problem
You don't. That's the problem with liars.
Meh
In my case, yes only because we talk about everything. So for DH to say he has to go out of town for work for a few days, I would be interested. "Oh, interesting. Where you headed? Are you staying some place nice? What kind of stuff do you have to do while you're there? Will yo uat least have a chance to go out with friends for a nice dinner?" That kind of stuff. And naturally it would come up in conversation "Yup, staying at a Best Western. Diane and I are hoping to try that new hot wings restaurant".
Would he make a specific point of saying "I'm going to work out of town with Diane, but don't worry we have separate rooms and won't be spending any time together socially". No. And I'd be wierded out if he did. He has female friends. He's welcome to go out with them in public. As a senior staff member he wouldn't take the risk of being anywhere private (not worth the potential false accusations). But he has never given me a moment's worry so my answer may not be your answer.
I think that IS the answer.
I think that IS the answer. Your DH has shown himself to be so trustworthy over the years that it's not even an issue.
Now, if he had a history of cheating, or if you had caught him in lies in the past, it would be different. I've come to realize that a motivated cheater will find a way. Trying to control them only makes them more cautious and delays the inevitable. Even if he's not a "motivated cheater" per se, maybe he's just a weak man who, if a woman came onto him, wouldn't be able to stop himself. You have to worry about those guys, too.
Sadly I believe that the type of guy you can trust completely is a unicorn. OP, if I'm not mistaken, you've caught your DH in some small lies involving BM. I get it. But, if he's the type you can't trust, give him enough rope to hang himself. Better the trash takes itself out sooner than later.
Well you all know that he is
Well you all know that he is spineless when it comes to BM and the kids.I know that I live affection from him and he loves it even more from me. I say a lot of things that make him look bad, but affection is not one of them.With the recent issue and him going out of town a tiny portion of me is worried . You can see in a reply above she is a little over the top with thank yous and such.So would he cave. I don't know.I know he never hangs out with the men when they are out of town together. He is OCD and has a routine. He takes food and eats in his room to bring home the per diam money.
In my marriage, yes DH and I
In my marriage, yes DH and I would let each other know if a co-worker was travelling with us out of town and I would expect he disclose if it was a woman too.
But DH is such a shit stirrer though, to wind me up, he wouldn't be able to control himself and immediately tell me how he would wine and dine her jokingly.
I trust him 100% and wouldn't be threatened at all only because he makes me feel loved and has made me feel secure.
Example, Once he went into a cafe to order our coffees and he was in there for ages! I was sitting with DD4 and DS1. Then a slim, blond attractive woman approached me with a baby strapped to her front and apologised for holding up my husband's time as she used to go to school with him and stated she was in there chatting to him for ages. I smiled and waved to her good bye when she left and when DH sat down he told me up front she told him that she lives local here and for him to let her know when he's here again and they can catch up. Lol who says that to an old high school friend when we are in our late 30's? I just shook my head and said of course she did, we laughed it off. But, funny she never mentioned to me she invited my husband to catch up. So, it goes back to trust and knowing your SO will disclose information to you.
So it sounds like you
So it sounds like you specifically asked if this woman is going out of town ever and he lied and said no however you have proof she is asking what hotel he is going to.. This doesn't look good. It could be innocent, he doesn't want to upset you... However at minimum he's lying about a woman.
I would check their text thread again. I know others may not agree however she already knows he's telling lies about his behavior
I would take a photo of the text where she's asking him what hotel he's staying at. Then as normal again ask if a specific male colleague is going, followed by the woman's actual name and ask directly if she's going on this trip. If he lies again I guess you have a decision to make whether to confront about the lie.
I wouldn't be able to remain
I wouldn't be able to remain silent, either. I would try, but every time i saw bullshit seep out of his mouth it would be a fight not to confront him. I fking hate being lied to, esp about other women.
It is driving me crazy not to
It is driving me crazy not to explode. And since I don't want him to know that I looked at texts. And yes I know he is more wrong then me but it is a can of worms I don't want to open. If he can't come clean I already have a plan that won't tell that I looked at texts. I also hate being so sneaky . But lying about a woman even if it is him trying to protect me is not okay.
If anyone wants to know my
If anyone wants to know my plan , hehe, will tell it. But it might be long story. And not that any of it is funny because this is really crossing a line.
Well.......? Lol spill it!
Well.......?
Lol spill it!
This is how I think I can do
This is how I think I can do it without saying I saw it on his phone. I am going to call the hotel on Monday night and ask for her room. I won't let it ring, I just want it to show on our phone records I called so that when he says I have no proof she was there I can say I called and got connected to her room. When he starts about how did I know I am going to say that when he was getting calls and texts so early in the mornings recently that it didn't seem right and I checked the phone records because I was uneasy about it. I will say I reverse checked that number that was always early and it came up as his female name and I figured it was his coworker. And I did reverse number so that if he does it he will see. And then I will say that the way acted all defensive when I simply asked about his trip this time it made me curious so I called the hotel and there she is. Yes it is a lot but I don't want the focus to be on me snooping.
Keep us posted! Really,
Keep us posted! Really, though, when you're calling hotels it's OOC. But i know all about the need to have concrete proof before acting.
Yes it is OOC. But he will
Yes it is OOC. But he will say she is not there and I can tell him to check my calls and the front desk put me through to her room. It is so desperate of me to do this. I can't stand the lies and I want to know why.
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's
Oh, don't get me wrong, it's a good plan. You will have proof of his lies. The reason for it is that he's a liar, though. Plain and simple. He's lied multiple times.
Looking back I wish I had
Looking back I wish I had done something this like when I suspected my (now) ex husband of being shady. Your SO's lies are infuriating. He should have told you the truth. You know one of my biggest pet peeves ever is when a partner says they didn't tell you something because they knew it would upset you. They should tell you. They shouldn't hide or keep anything from you. And his behavior seems shady.
Good Plan
I like your plan. He's acting shady as f*ck.
Yep it is shady. I don't
Yep it is shady. I don't think he is planning on cheating but I have to let him know that this lie is not acceptable no matter the reason. And yes I am being childish by not telling how I know. But if I tell him it will be all about me looking at his phone and I can't have that be the issue.
I disagree
I do not think you're being childish at all. You're trusting your gut, being present (vs. burying your head in the sands of denial), and taking action in a way that mitigates him blowing up at you for looking thru his phone.
I'd call you a smart, perceptive lady - not childish.
Projecting my own experience
Projecting my own experience here, but I ignored gut feelings and lies (that I KNEW were lies) about another woman and rationalized it exactly the same way you are, that he didn't want to upset me. When I was finally prepared and strong enough to really dig, I was horrified by how far into an affair they were, and the lengths he had gone to in order to deceive me. The betrayal was bad enough, but the lies on top of lies were really what did my head in. It's taken years to recover from the trauma of being lied to so much, and even still I'll occasionally be reminded of a lie and it will trigger me.
All that being said, I would always recommend that you trust your intuition. And that you have your mind made up what you're going to do if/when you confront him.
Yeah ideally they should but
Yeah ideally they should but some men don't like confrontation and they think "oversharing" could lead them down the path of multiple arguments and no p*ssy
So they "lie" by omission to spare your feelings (if they assume you can't handle the truth) so you remain in ignorant bliss
He might not be planning to have relations with another woman but the way he's going about it with regards to the lack of details he's providing you is not ideal.
So I got it out of him. I
So I got it out of him. I couldn't wait any longer. I said I know you are keeping a big lie to yourself. He Said he was not. I said well I know you are. I said who are you going out of town with. He said Dave and I said who else. He said Mike. I said are you sure ? I said I know that is not it. I did it before a movie in a theater. Trying to avoid him getting loud. But then the movie started. So after he said that he is not lying. I said you are. I know . Finally he did say a woman was going. I said this is a huge lie. He said he didn't want to tell me because I overreact and that it would bother me. I said your lying is worse. I said first you said that these support people never go out of town. I said how many times has she been working with you out town. He said two. I said I always ask you who you are going with and you have been lying. I said I can't deal with a liar. He said he would never cheat on me and it would never even cross his mind. He said he is committed to me forever. He said we are remodeling to sell the house. He said he wouldn't ruin any of that. I said you have ruined my trust. I said I can't believe you. If you weren't doing anything wrong you should have told me no matter how you thought I would feel or act. Then he said why would you even suspect. I said you were getting early morning calls that wet not normal and I checked the phone log. I said but that doesn't matter you lied. That is the problem. He said he can't believe I don't trust him. I said you have told me so many small lies that now this is just unbelievable. Then he tried to change the subject to make me feel bad about something. I just don't know.
I wouldn’t believe
a word this man says, including how many times she's accompanied him on trips.
The early morning texts speak to a relationship that's developed over time and while it may not include sex (yet) appears to have crossed a line into something beyond work. At the very least he's obviously not discouraging her messages, just as he didn't discourage BM's.
Maybe sneaking around is just how he operates. He wants what he wants and intends to get it and when caught out he turns it around so it's your fault. And it's not like he doesn't know how you feel about lies of omission!
Can you live like this? Never knowing what he's hiding from you now? I know I couldn't. The irony of him saying "you should trust me!" when he just lied to your face is really beyond belief.
One more thing - are you sure the guys he spoke of are going? It seems odd that his female coworker is asking him what hotel he's staying at and not the others.
We had a long talk , about a
We had a long talk , about a lot of things. I don't think he is cheating or was intending on it.Still how does one ever know. But I told him this crossed a line. That he lied and that lying is bad enough, but this is about a woman. I asked how did you feel when you had an idea BM was cheating but you had no proof. He said it was horrible .I said that is how I feel. I said there is no way that when you go out of town I am going to trust you. I will always think something is happening. He said he thought I would think those things even if he told me. He said he always worried about my temper. I said I havae a temper because of you. I wanted to stay on the subject but it got on other things because he was saying how he is worried about how I react I told him how much I have have to put up with. The whole dysfunction of his kids and ex. The way his BM parents are, the way his OCD affects me because he can't control how he wants everything in his time. By that I mean we follow his schedule, do things his way., because OCD can be bad. He finally admitted he does have OCD. He said he tries to stop it but it is hard. I said get it but your issues become my problems. I said we had enough on our plates to deaL with now you add a huge lie. . He is definitely upset and knows he should have told me. I said I don't think we can go on . I can't sit here and worry everytime now because that is exactly what I will do. He said he was going to talk to his boss about not traveling. He said if he does they probably won't keep him because they are so busy and there just isn't enough people. I know he needs his job. Who doesn't. So yes not going out of town is the answer but it isn't logical.
He said her schedule starts
He said her schedule starts at 6:30am because she has to be available for calls and that is why she texts/calls so early. But he never said this when I asked why are you getting texts and calls so early now. The answer should have been the new support person starts at 6:30 so she is working and is new and needs help.He said he didn't tell me because I would have been upset it was a woman. But lying and being secretive is not okay.
When will he get it into his
When will he get it into his thick skull that honesty is always the best policy. Why would you get mad for him working with a woman. Presumably she got the job and the assignments because she was the best person to do that. Why would that make you mad? However, hiding the fact and lying about it is automatically going to cause questions and distrust. Why doesn't he understand that?
She only got the job because
She only got the job because she got fired from a place the company does work and they needed someone. They can't get people. She was supposed to be only phone support but they are so busy they are making her go out on jobs. With the amount of work questions she has texted to my SO she is not very competent. But she is newer . He is high volume of the phone with a lot of people. It is just that he lied and assumed I would be upset. And if course I am questioning my self how I would have acted if he told me. But I am sure that is because I am now worried because he lied. I am not going to worry all the time. I don't know if after everything I put up with anyway that I can or want to get past this. How do you get past a big lie?
Finally he did say a woman
nailed it - albeit unfortunately for your peace
Hopefully he won't be opposed to discussing the pattern of "lying by omission" and striving for more healthy communication in marriage/couples therapy
people who have communication styles like this don't believe they're doing anything wrong and will typically expect blind trust hence the "trust me" without proving themselves trustworthy ... this is why it's important to set YOUR boundaries if this isn't how you prefer to roll
He has said how bad he feels
He has said how bad he feels and apologized. But like you said he is the type of person who really thinks he wasn't completely wrong for not telling me and lying. He keeps saying it is because of the way I would react. And he is saying that the way I am reacting now is the way I would have if he told me in the first place. Well guess what we will never know because you DIDN'T TELL ME and YOU LIED. He leaves this morning for three nights and she will be there. He can't see that no matter what his telling about not even thinking about cheating doesn't matter now. He lied , I am hurt. I don't know if this time it can even be fixed.
What it comes
down to is do you believe he has told the whole truth now and can you live with it if you don't?
If he would have told me when
If he would have told me when he first knew that she was going out of town I would believe him. But now that he has lied it really bothers me. And yes alot people say they don't say who they are going out of town with. But he had told me that no one in the department she is in goes anywhere. And I ask him about his job all of the time.
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Totally agree.
Not saying is different than lying when outright asked. He actually lied by omission and then also just outright lied when you probed him because you knew the answer
Youre absolutely right that he needs to tell you these things and not assume your reaction. It was wrong of him to not tell you. Because now, you can't trust him OR his word. You don't know whether he'll tell the truth when you ask him things now. Or will he hide things to try to "protect you" or because he presumes he knows how you would react
He's a coward. He didn't want to face an uncomfortable conversation. He didn't want you to know about this other woman too. That's also something
But she did
ask him who else was going on the other trips he had been on and he omitted her. I can't see that other than a straight up lie.
Yep. That is how I see it. I
Yep. That is how I see it. I always ask because we ask each other about how work is going etc. I don't know the coworkers but I know what he says about them. Some he likes working with better then others. Some are slow, some are lazy. Then we talk about if it is a difficult place to work . I mean we talk about it, so not saying a woman was going with how much we say about it , to me is a lie. Not just omitting. If I never talked about his work with him maybe it would be that he just didn't think to tell me. But since I now know, he has admitted he purposely didn't tell me. He only told me because he was caught. And to protect me from my feelings towards it is not for him to decide.And even though I am 99.9 percent sure he is not or would not cheat. Lying like this is a huge issue to me.
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So I got it out of him. I
So I got it out of him. I couldn't wait any longer. I said I know you are keeping a big lie to yourself. He Said he was not. I said well I know you are. I said who are you going out of town with. He said Dave and I said who else. He said Mike. I said are you sure ? I said I know that is not it. I did it before a movie in a theater. Trying to avoid him getting loud. But then the movie started. So after he said that he is not lying. I said you are. I know . Finally he did say a woman was going. I said this is a huge lie. He said he didn't want to tell me because I overreact and that it would bother me. I said your lying is worse. I said first you said that these support people never go out of town. I said how many times has she been working with you out town. He said two. I said I always ask you who you are going with and you have been lying. I said I can't deal with a liar. He said he would never cheat on me and it would never even cross his mind. He said he is committed to me forever. He said we are remodeling to sell the house. He said he wouldn't ruin any of that. I said you have ruined my trust. I said I can't believe you. If you weren't doing anything wrong you should have told me no matter how you thought I would feel or act. Then he said why would you even suspect. I said you were getting early morning calls that wet not normal and I checked the phone log. I said but that doesn't matter you lied. That is the problem. He said he can't believe I don't trust him. I said you have told me so many small lies that now this is just unbelievable. Then he tried to change the subject to make me feel bad about something. I just don't know.
You just don't know? What is there not to know?
He is a liar and this crap is shady as F.
Past behavior being the likely predictor of current and future behavior, cut your losses.
The house is selling, take the money, dump his ass, and get on with your life.
My first marriage was to a serially adulterous cavern crotched skank whore from hell.
Do not sacrifice one more pico-second of your life to this POS.
Take care of you.
This is not good
I would look at the phone bill and see for exactly long they've been speaking on the phone. You should also match up the text messages that appear on the phone bill and his text messages. If it doesn't match and he's deleting texts, there's obvously more to the story. A person who cheats or is thinking of cheating cannot be expected to be forthcoming and honest so unfortunately the onus is on you to dig.
The fact that he lied that she was going is not good, but I know you know that. If I were you I would be on high alert about this.
My honest thoughts about this are that maybe initially it was nothing, but maybe on company trip 1, they saw each other and one, the other or both had an attraction. This likely led to flirtatious behavior, maybe hanging out past work, and looking forward to work trip number 2. Not sure how far those 2 went, but from the way you described it, I don't think those early morning talks are about work.
I will be Honest and say I
I will be Honest and say I did match up texts with the ohine records. I would look at the phone records and then when I had his phone I would check. They pretty much matched up. I looked at his deleted and their was one. It was one of her memes saying thank you and under it , it was thanks for the help with what ever the work thing was. Not sure why that was deleted . One text was later in the evening which was alarming to me but when I checked it was to both her and another coworker, about work and it was at a time he was still at the work location .He does have to talk to others later when he is still at work . Also it is not abnormal for him to be on the phone with issues for hours. The texts on the early mornings were work. Calls I won't know what they are saying. The texts are never anything but work. The only thing I don't like is Her over the top thank yous and you're the best. But he has never responded to those in an inappropriate way. We talked about his OCD and he says I know how he is with it why would I even think he would be going off of his schedule. He said that work is so stressful that when he is done he wants away from everyone. He said he doesn't even reach out to any of them at the hotel unless it is about work the next day and he says that rarely happens because he doesn't want to hear it after the day is done. There are no late night or weekend texts from her. But what he did is such a big lie.
And why on earth is she
And why on earth is she texting him asking what hotel he is staying at.... That would frustrate me beyond belief!
I don't like that either. He
I don't like that either. He said he never associates with her after work.
One thing I will say is at
One thing I will say is at work there's no such thing as too early if it's work related and they start early. I started work at 6am and send any messages I need to. Having said that I just don't like how he treated you with the lying and it feels a bit off. Also flirting is different then just work questions. I don't like that she texted asking him what hotel.
I guess it feels different on Microsoft teams Vs a text to a phone? One woman texted my husband at 5 am when he was filling in as boss and just said, "Good morning this is Ashleee" and I was like who the heck is Ashlee and why she be texting at 5 am
I would say keep an eye out. His lying is certainly NOT ok no matter what the reason. Even if he thinks you'll be upset. He still has to know to communicate.
I get if she is starting
I get if she is starting early and isn't aware of the time with other people. But when I say to him when it was happening it was not normal, he should have said then .
Do think the thanks you's and you are the best are flirting? I also think my SO doesn't know when someone is flirting. Once there was a mom on the travel team and I was always there but she would talk to him but it was definitely flirty. One day she was mentioning something about the team , it was years ago so I don't remember, and said let me text you my number so you can update me on whatever it was. After that I told him she was flirting, he could not see it. After that I found out she was getting in the middle of a divorce. My SO doesn't think that another woman would do that in front of me, knowing that we are together. I guess he doesn't know how some woman are vicious. By the way nothing happened.SS quit that team anyway.
As to whether the "thank you's" and "you are the best"
As to whether the "thank you's" and "you are the best" are flirting - it is hard to tell when they are only in writing. Do you know how old she is? Someone young and inexperienced might use that kind of language in an innocent way. Is there anyway you could meet her? Does he ever get together with people from work after hours? If you could see them interact personally, you could get a better feel for her intentions. Men can be blind to women flirting, so it is possible that even if she is flirting that it is just her and he is not responding.
She is 44. my SO is 54. He
She is 44. my SO is 54. He doesn't hang out with work people. I met one of his coworkers that isn't in his department. He was on vacation when we were at the same place and he took us to dinner. It is a salesman that my SO does a lot of his work for and he wanted to treat us. I have worked with people who always do that thank you and you're the best. It was just their thing. Not that she is flirting and he doesn't respond like he enjoys it. It is this damn lie.
So yes not going out of town
So yes not going out of town is the answer but it isn't logical.
Sorry, but not going out of town is NOT the answer.The problem is not who is going on these business trips, the problem is him and his lying.There is a reason he lied and that is the issue. As well as the mistrust between the two of you.
If there is truly nothing going on, then he lied because there is a big lack of trust between the two of you.You don't trust him, and he doesn't trust you, that you would believe that nothing is going on with his co-worker. It's not about protecting you, he lied to protect himself, to avoid any conflict. But, why would there have been any conflict? Why would he think that you would overreact? Co-workers of the opposite sex go out of town on business all of the time. If you trusted him, and he trusted that you trusted him, why would this be something to lie about? Why would he not just stand his ground that nothing is going on? Unless the question is, "Does my ass look fat?", lying is not the answer.
I would be weary of being in a relationship with a man who has so little resolve and self respect. His weakness when it comes to BM and the kids, may carry over into other aspects of his life, and other people. He needs to man up.
And if you don't trust him, why are you still in this relationship, with all of the other issues? You deserve a relationship without so much stress, worry, and mistrust. Relationships aren't always easy but they shouldn't be this hard, either.
I have trusted him going out
I have trusted him going out of town. I never questioned it. He could take any woman back to his hotel room because he is around them all day. I want this lie to make sense .
Excuses vs. Reality
I understand where you're at - hoping some "Ah-ha" detail could be revealed that proves he hasn't cheated/isn't cheating, puts your mind and heart at ease, and restores your trust [insert happily ever after and roll the credits].
This seems like some pre- D-Day discovery before he takes it deeper underground and starts using encrypted PW-protected messaging apps, now that he knows you've caught on to some of his lies.
I am proud of you for confronting him, but disturbed at his lies, immediate blame-shifting, and minimization. Suggest you check out ChumpLady.com, if you haven't already.
There will be no way I will
There will be no way I will ever know if he has done or will cheat. He swore he would never ever cheat because how it tore his kids away from him when his ex did it and then he found out she did it for years. And I know he has a lot of faults, I don't think cheating is one of them. He probably did think I would over react. But the lying puts doubt in my mind. Now it will always be in my head when he goes out of town. I don't know how you ever get over it.
I travel for business several
I travel for business several times a year. I work in a male dominated field where most supplier visits and conferences will be 80% men. My department is all men, except me and an admin (who doesn't travel.. no need).
When we go, we always stay at the same hotel (separate rooms.. haha). We do it because it is either the conference hotel so it has a special rate.. or logistically, we are traveling together.. so can just share one rental car.. share ubers.. coordinate with the supplier for one ride to the site etc..
I will say, that I don't think I have ever specifically made a point of telling my DH I'm "traveling with men".. but the assumption is just there I guess.. and sometimes I mention which of my coworker men is going to be on the trip.. or if I'm going alone (occasionally). So, my DH knows and has never shown any concern.. and sometimes I only can contact him once or twice a day.. get in after late nights of dinner and drinks with the clients/coworkers.. he knows that's part of the program.
So, I guess the mistrust can be there for some.. but for my DH and myself.. it has not been an issue.. and he has worked offshore where there were women on the boat too.. again.. no reason for either of us to be concerned.
Another reason for her asking for "what hotel".. is if she is tasked with doing any coordination for the trip.. planning dinner with clients.. arranging car rental near the hotel.. or it could be that she is familiar with the place he is traveling with.. and is just asking out of curiosity.. to give him a recommendation of a good restaurant near the hotel.
So, those are all the kinds of reasons why you might have seen that message.. but it also feels like you have some general mistrust with him.. and given the state of things with your fighting over his kid's sports.. maybe it is more reasonable to assume he is seeking out attention outside your relationship.
In the end.. you could do a couple of things.
1. Travel out there with him... or travel out to "surprise" him.
2. Ask him directly who else is going on the trip.
EDIT... I went and read more of the posts. and saw he did admit it.. but is claiming that it's because you would overreact that he didn't tell you.
My personal feeling is that if THIS is what he thinks of you.. then the relationship is pretty broken..
Because.. your first instinct is that her going on the trip and their contact is not "professional" in nature.. and his first instinct is to hide that she is going because he views you as someone who overreacts.. and he doesn't respect you enough to see you as mature enough to handle knowing that he might be traveling with a coworker who is a woman.
I mean.. at the base of it.. kind of ridiculous.. to hide that he is going with her.. just like when I travel.. or my DH travels.. nothing to stop us from cheating if we were so inclined.. with a totally unrelated person.. right?
I don't think he respects your feelings.. or your perspectives.. he thinks you overreact about his kids.. he thinks you would overreact about this.. he doesn't trust you as a partner to have information.. and perhaps the conflicts about his kids have made him consider moving on at some point.. but he isn't ready to pull that trigger yet?
If you want to stay with him.. therapy.. and lots of it.
I was in a similar situation
I was in a similar situation for many years - male dominated company, frequent trips with them, sharing car rentals (company orders), hotels chosen for us, etc. DH knew I'd be travelling with men and wasn't bothered by the fact. TBH, the only time I told him about who I'd be travelling with it was because there were only three of us and all women LOL
The trip was to Paris (as was often the case) and we managed to squeeze in one birthday dinner, another dinner with old friends and colleagues, and a morning of Xmas shopping. Yes, it was worth writing home about. *smile*
I used to travel also for
I used to travel also for meetingsIt was male dominated also. We had to go and do things with other managers. We ate together, bowled together, play pool. we also would all go out drinking We would do that bull riding in a bar. lol. It was expected of us so that we could team build with other managers. With my SO and his OCD , he doesn't ever go to eat with a coworker. If he would have been honest from the start I don't think there would have been any issue.
He keeps saying it is because
He keeps saying it is because of the way I would react. And he is saying that the way I am reacting now is the way I would have if he told me in the first place.
Total cop out and not a valid reason for lying. He doesn't get to say that he knew how you would react. If you would have reacted that way, had he told the truth, then that is something that would have had to have been dealt with. Lying to avoid that is bullshit and doesn't do anything positive for the relationship.
The only way a relationship truly works is to be real. He needed to give you the chance to react however you would have reacted. He cannot second guess that reaction, and lie to avoid whatever it might be. That's not fair to you or the relationship. He can't expect you to feel secure in a relationship where he is lying because he wants to avoid how he thinks you will react. Where does it stop? How do you believe anything he says?
Also, I go back to the question of why did he think you would overreact? Why does he not have enough trust in you, that you would accept that it's all just business?
I understand that he's been cheated on but he cannot bring that baggage into this relationship. Not everybody is a cheater, not everybody is suspicious and accusing.
If he wants to be in an adult relationship, he needs to deal with whatever comes up, however you would react to whatever situation. He needs to be honest and real, and allow you to be honest and real. Because, truthfully, if two people can't be real with each other, they have no business being in the relationship.
You are right, He should not
You are right, He should not have assumed how I would react or feel. You can't lie. I