Do any of you guys have an SK who ignores you but...
Says "Hello", "Good morning", or "How are you"? Like as in most of the time they don't say anything to you and even don't acknowledge until you say something? I dealt with this with my two SS's (You know what happened if you've read my previous post) and it seems like a shit ton of SP's on here have SK's like that. What shames me is like I've met a couple of kids, who are also SK's, that really enjoy doing certain things like dancing, sports, etc but as soon as the SP is around it's like they change immediately and all I see is just a change of hate and it pains me to see how a lot of these kids actually have potential in being good people but for whatever reason the hatred of the SP is strong within them and they end up becoming as bad as the SK's I see being hated on here. Like dude, do you not understand that me loving your parent could in turn help you get better but instead you act like this hate filled brat? Don't even get me started on the manipulation pulled by the other parent. I would know as DW and her Ex acted like that when SS23 and late SS21 were around. I love my DW more than anything but I will not sit here and act like as if she isn't at fault for SS23 and late SS21's upbringing. Same with her stupid ex lol. It's like the SK is Anakin and the other bio parent is Palpatine. To give you an example, when SS23 and late SS21 were with us they were very nerdy kids. Superheroes, Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, Anime, boxing (Which was the only sport they loved), and SS23 is a huge history buff and an athlete. I would know because during those few calm moments when DW and her ex weren't hating each other both SS's were engaging in the things they enjoyed. Like I mentioned before, if you've read my previous post, you would know the tragedy of SS23 and late SS21. Either way I know kids, especially those you didn't create, are tough and I don't think I'll ever wrap my head around why they choose to hate the SP when our presence is actually here to do some good. I know I pretty much answered my question with the mentioning of PAS but it still just baffles me. I'm curious to know what your SK's (Specifically the ones that live with you) are like. I know I kind of delved off into another subject but you guys get what I mean haha
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SK are upset that there parents
Destroyed there [ in there minds ] a great life. You know if BM and BF were living together m we would be a happy family. Going to Hawaii, visiting Disney 5 times a year . There would be money to but SK a shiny new car. Everything will be gum drops and chocolate. You as the SP stop all of this joy for them.
Everything was so great that's why parents got a divorce.
And yet...
You can still do all those things but only if they would stop acting like such assholes lol
Destroyed there [ in there
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My SKs probably wouldn't have
My SKs probably wouldn't have had or done as much as they have if My SO and BM wer still together. They have never wanted for anything.
It kind of saddens me....
When I hear stuff like this. Like c'mon dude you're wayyy too young to be holding a grudge like this. Think of the goodness that came out of me loving your mom/dad lol
It sounds like your skids
It sounds like your skids hrew up in a very toxic situation that started before you came along. PAS, as well as mental health issues in the one who committed suicide. You didn't break it so you can't fix it. You might get blamed for it, but the best you can do is not tolerate disrespect and live your best life.
Oh yeah for sure...
Their upbringing sucked. I wouldn't wish any child to have to go through with what they did.
At some level we all have
At some level we all have baggage we inherit from our parents. At some point those problems become ours to solve, or not. Regret is not something I choose to live my life with. IMHO Kidults from unfortunate backgrounds have a choice. Fix it and make a better life. Or not.
Their call.
My DW is a product of multi generational poverty and decided under performance. She decided very early that her life would not follow that path. She changed that narrative for her and for her kid. Even being a teen mom did not divert her from that commitment to herself and to her kid.
She is not empathetic to those who choose to repeat the failures they were raised with. I am Rt of Attila the Hun but even I am more willing to recognize the challenges that some people struggle with. She considers those things to be excuses and does not give much slack to those who whine about it all instead of fixing it for themselves and their own kids. Interestingly, she is even less tolerant of young people who were not raised with those types of problems and who choose to not perform to capability. As her career has advanced, she is reaching the point where degreed young people who present as being clueless and won't dig in and make things happen irritate her to no end.
She busted her butt to get away from that mentality and yet it seems to be growing all around her. She is not happy about it.
Well as for my SS
Not sure if he's moved on or is doing better. From what I've heard he's doing better. He praises his aunt and uncle a lot. In a recent letter that DW sent him he responded by saying that he doesn't want to see his mother. He claims he has no interest in her and doesn't have that unconditional love/bond for her anymore. As well as with his father. He's said that he's moved on from us and if we ever bump into him in public he'll treat us like he would a stranger. One thing to remember is that when DW and her ex were together they were poor as heck and he claims through being an athlete and with the help of his aunt and uncle (Especially his uncle who molded him into being a boxer) he's 10 times the better person than he has been with us.
Welp, at least you won't have
Welp, at least you won't have to deal with him. If it really is that painful for him to be around you guys (memories of his brother maybe), i can respect him staying away and living his own life. As long as he isn't trash-talking you guys to others or comings around for handouts, let him be.
He's very close with In Laws
And from what they've told us is that he has said a few things that have really hurt DW. They've told us that he doesn't feel that unconditional love/bond with DW and his father anymore and even went as far as to say that all the crap DW and ExH put him through came back to bit both of them in the ass. Not only did DW lose her second oldest son but for her ex, he lost two children. His second oldest and his fourth kid through miscarriage with SS23's SM. Other than that the In Laws have told us that he HARDLY ever talks about us and even went as far as to say that he gets uncomfortable as soon as his mother or father are brought up. I'm not sure if he says anything about me.
People who are this nasty and
People who are this nasty and cruel are a write off. Good riddance to not having that next generation shit puddle in your life.
Take care of you.
I said this similar thing in
I said this similar thing in a past post
These skids (who are being raised by their breeder and Disney bio parent) are petty and jealous for no real reason
In my past sitch, I dealt with a Disneyland dad whose conniving manipulative ex wife would had this "I don't want another woman around my kids" type attitude
Like girl I don't want to be around your lazy loud obnoxious cash grabbing demanding kids either tbh (dude can visit those kids at YOUR house, the library, the park, or wherever)
But since the law forces parents to take custody or face consequences, the Disneyland dad tries to be a good dad, and the custody spot is always the home you share, then I had to deal with her kids in my space every mf-ing weekend and holiday.
In my mind it's like how dumb and jealous do you have to be to be willfully obtuse about the fact that another adult in the household is going to bring extra resources you bumbling idiots
Even when we disengage from disrespectful spawn skids we STILL bring extra resources resources that benefit those ingrates
Hell when my bio had a step mom at first I was turned off but then i quickly realized that this woman is taking care of my kid, freeing up my time, and doing me and my bio a favor
When I met the lady in real life I thanked her
What sucks is....
This kids don't even realize the potential they have to be great productive members of society. SS23 hates me and DW but given the terrible upbringing he's had due to DW and her stupid ex, he's doing pretty great. An athlete, works in pharmacy, makes a lot of money, etc. It must be a primal thing but damn some things just don't make sense.
Whatever the reason- primal,
Whatever the reason- primal, societal, etc - it doesn't matter we as SP do NOT deserve this crap. I wish more of us would stop accepting it - maybe a large experiement where any signs of trouble the stepparent can just opt out and society accepts and rewards this then maybe it would change. Who knows? But we don't need to put up with the S*** when the SKIDs are adults. Truly. I did my "time" and was exteremly patient and good to them- I ended up just like the rest, realizing they are never going to be good natured towards me. I think its a real rare exception when they are even ok.
Yup....
In some few cases I understand (Such as mine, well sort of) but those ARE VERY few lol
I am with you in that this
I am with you in that this experiement you suggest would be a most welcome option. I am sick of having all these expectations put on me without my express consent now that SD is almost 30! I have felt like I paid my dues and tried my best. with her a long time ago, so its actually laughable that some still act like I owe her much of anything beyond superficial niceties. Im tired of pretending I want anything further than that so leave me alone hehe
I can only blame the parents,
I can only blame the parents, a lot. If the kids are not encouraged to develop a relationship with the SP, and the bio parent doesn't accept the SP as a parent or true partner in raising the kids then the kids will never have a relationship with the SP. It's even worse if PAS is thrown in. And you have a passive bio-parent. I hit the jackpot in all of this. The skids were great at first but two years in an OSD hated me, YSD18 was ok until her mid-teen years. I think eventually I'll have a relationship with YSD but with OSD20 I can't see happening. The good think is my DH has been doing a lot of work on himself and has 100% acknowledged my poor relationship with his skids is his fault (I also though remind him BM most certainly also had a part in it). He's working on repairing his relationship with YSD18 and I do think that will help with me and YSD too.
That's good that...
Your DH is working on his relationship with YSD. A shame that OSD won't do the same. At the end of the day it really is up to the parent (If they're still under age) to make sure that SK's treat you at least cordially. DW would make sure I was respected even when I NACHO'd. Too bad her and her dumbass Ex would bring out the worst in each other when it came to co-parenting though.
SD14 totally ignores me and
SD14 totally ignores me and BS3 unless one of us says something first. If we are sitting on the couch in the living room, she will take a detour, walk all the around through the dining room, just to get to the kitchen. It used to bother me, but now I find in sad and also funny a 14 y/o can be so petty. What a sad way to live and also does she think it hurts my feelings? I would rather her attitude and rudeness not be around my BS3, so I am totally fine with her ignoring me.
I am with you on this. At one
I am with you on this. At one point I cared, but now if they ignore me it is much easier. I don't need to have small talk with people who don't care.
Sometimes we gotta realize...
That we're the adults and that we're not here for some kids approval or acceptance when we're married to the parent. Sometimes, an SP needs to be firm and tell the SK: "if you really loved your mom/dad you'd treat me, who is their lifelong partner, with respect. That's what I do with you because your mom/dad is the person I cherish the most and if I were to show the same disrespect towards you, it would hurt them. Now imagine how your mom/dad must feel when you disrespect the person who made a vow to stick by their side till they get old?"
Of course as we've seen here a lot of SK's outright refuse to get the memo.
Yes, and the SDs that have a
Yes, and the SDs that have a mini wife complex always view the SM as an "equal" automatically not respecting them as their parent's partner.
Which really....
Makes no sense. I get that parenting is tough but kids should not deal with feeling like a mini wife/husband. It puts wayyyy too much pressure and just creates hostility. Be a god damn parent not a fake partner lol
Even if there life suck
When they were a family with BM and BF. The kids feel thing we're going to change. For the good until you cane along. You broke up the birth parents getting back together and being a happy family. [. Both birth parents giving there kids everything there little hearts want ]. YOU. and only YOU screwed up there life. Causing BM to go nuts and go away with her BF. Again and again. And again.
Thats why you disengaging from all this BS is most important. If they dont want to say good morning or thank you. Not important, because ..you will be doing nothing for them... so there no need to thank you. And if they are in your home it's not a good morning.
I tend to agree with Harry on
I tend to agree with Harry on this for most step-situations. I did everything for them when they were kids but now adults SKIDs are still acting disrespectful and little to NO growth on their end. I am done trying to "bridge the gap" or do anything. Most of us who've been in this system long enough fall off the map and stop trying. It's easier when they are full grown adults then when they are kids in your house.
Agree.
Agree.
from my past experiences living with bitter skids
the more I disengaged from them the less I cared about their little petty a$$ antics
Yes
At age 5, YSS was literally walking/running into me as though I didn't exist. He was actually pretending not to see me and if he pretended hard enough I would go away
Jesus
I'm so sorry to hear that
SS annoyed me a lot when he
SS annoyed me a lot when he was a kid but he was expected to be respectful to me. BM and my husband expected it. BM understood that I was helping to raise him and I think she grew to appreciate me for it. I had permission from both her and my husband to discipline him and they backed me up. She did like to cause problems at times but not in a encouraging SS to be a disrespectful little brat. It was mostly things to annoy us. He treated me more respectfully than he did BM, SIL, and MIL. That's because they allowed him to treat them however he wanted. I didn't allow it. He was never rude never ignored me like what is being described here.
I didn't start having problems with him until he was an adult and married his wife the She-Devil. He still was never openly rude but he started treating me like a polite stranger. He claimed to think of me as his mother but he didn't act like it. I got tired of the lies and we (me, husband and kids), are estranged from him now. It's much more peaceful for me knowing that I don't have to see him or his She-Devil wife.
I am or rather was a stepchild myself. My dad remarried when I was 18. I was happy for him. He was lonely and she made him happy, which is all I ever wanted for him. Just for him to be happy. I never was rude to her or ignored her. I included her in everything. He wouldn't have stood for anything less I don't think. My mother as well, wouldn't have tolerated me disrespecting my stepmother or any other adult. She and my dad raised me better than that.
Dad passed away 7 years into their marriage.
My live in Skid never pulled
My live in Skid never pulled this crap. Though he had no choice to pull this shit. I tolerated no shit. One smirk, frown, etc.. .and my foot was proverbially up his ass. Fortunately, my foot had to beat his mom's foot to that destination.
He could not be nasty, he could not be disrespectful. Why anyone would tolerate this crap from a kid or a kidult is beyond me. If they can't be respectful, they can STFU or figure out how to get a foot out of their ass. Period. Dot.
He could not be nasty, he
Because Gentle/Disneyland parents are scared of their kids
Unpopular opinion
It sounds like before you entered the picture your wife and her ex were bad parents when it came to their children's feelings and emotions. Then including you and the other step made it worse. I'm sure your SS has a tremendous amount of resentment and guilt, along with grief, because he lived and his brother died. He probably gravitated to boxing to make himself feel stronger and protected because he didn't get that from home and he feels like he didn't protect his brother. Yes children misbehave, but kicking them out back and forth sends a message that your love is conditional and they aren't wanted. The only way for everyone (him, your wife and the ex) is for the parents to sit down and really own and understand how they failed as parents. It won't bring the brother back, but it might salvage the relationship with the son they still have. I believe the son is nice to the 1/2 siblings because he identifies with them as a child and he understands they are innocent. He doesn't want them hurt like he and his brother was. He deserves for his feelings to be validated and he deserves to be heard. Maybe in a letter, so he can open it when he's ready to receive the words.
We have sent him a letter
Just yesterday. I'm not getting involved because I don't think it's my place to say anything. I don't want to stir things up since I'm not his parent. Hopefully DW can get her son back. Time will tell.
Edit: He responded but the response was bad
Sorry to Hear
Sorry to hear the response was bad, it is to be expected considering all of the trauma. However, he opened the letter and he did respond. He could have thrown it away and never responded. He is clearly hurting. If he hasn't received therapy before he needs it. He needs a good therapist to help him talk out the trauma, grief and anger to forgive his parents--and himself. Your wife should give him some space and check on him through the sister. Maybe it will take a life event or major milestone for him to be receptive to reconciling. Maybe he will never get to that point, but she shouldn't give up on him. If she hasn't, I would also recommend a good therapist for her. I found one and she has helped me tremendously. By the way, you are doing the right thing. Be supportive and a shoulder to cry on. Getting directly involved will make things worse. For him, you are just an extension of his mom and he will treat you accordingly.
See that's the tough part...
His aunt is his dad's sister. So trying to keep communication would actually be a bit tougher since she knew of how unstable the relationship was. His aunt and DW RARELY have communication. In his response he's mentioned that he doesn't feel that unconditional love/bond with DW or his father. That's one of the things that stung DW a lot to which once again I was there.
Don’t lose hope
From the outside looking in, depending on how he worded his response, I can appreciate him being honest and in touch with his emotions. Your wife can't force him to want a relationship with her. The only thing she can do is keep the door open for him to contact her, if he ever decides he wants a relationship. Otherwise, she should seek therapy for her grief-- she's lost both of her children in different ways. Hopefully, with the right therapist, she will work through her own trauma to become a better person for herself and everyone around her, a better parent and spouse. (No judgment: to live is to evolve and improve.)
Based on the parent model
Based on the parent model that my parents raised their sons with, a kid of any flavor including SKids, does not get to disrespect or violate the adult relationship at the core of a blended family, does not get to violate the sanctity of the blended family home, or disrespect either partner in that marriage/relationship. No one does.
These kids should face the wrath of Armageddon for disrespecting us, our mate, our home, or our family.
What seems to be a blank spot for many is.... as a SParent, our mate is the bio-parent in our marriage and we have full authority to end anyone who would disrespect our mate. If our mate is the SParent, same thing. Our marriage, our partner, our home, our family, and ourselves are sacrosanct and anyone threatening those sacred things should be subject to pain, misery, and complete and total confrontation.
No one should be tolerated to speak to or treat a spouse in anyway but with respect. Sure, they can be angry, hurt, etc... but they must be completely held to respectful discourse. Or.... suffer.
SS got lippy with his mom beyond my tolerance level when he was about 15. I intervened, he cocked his fist back at me, he found himself on the wall with my fists at his throat his jacket pulled tight around his arms and chest, his feet about a foot off of the ground spluttering, gurgling, and thrashing around, I held him up with one arm,swatted him on the back of the head with my other hand to get his brain reconnected, reached behind me and opened the front door, and spun him out into an absolute blizzard. I then closed and locked the door. His mom and I were shocked. That was the first and only time things had gotten physical beyond a very rare swat to the butt when he was a tween. We waited a couple of minutes and opened the door. SS was about 100yrds down the road barely visible through the heavy snow. He would take a few steps then turn to look to see if we had opened the door. One of his shoes had come off in our struggle. I waved for him to come back. He did.
We had a number of family discussions following that.
We took the same stance with the SpermClan, and even with my IL clan. I would not tolerate any of them to disrespect my mate. She would not allow anyone to disrespect her mate. Neither of us would not tolerate anyone to disrespect our marriage
I mostly agree
Your wife sounds like she was a great parent and you sound like you were a positive figure in your stepson's life and treated his mom well. Your actions required respect.
As someone who was and still is a disrespectful "step kid" it depends on the dynamic. My mother's long term boyfriend is and has always been a loser to me. As a teen I had enough sense to recognize who he was and I didn't engage with him. I'm glad she didn't marry him. Even now, he's not invited to any events that I have. My mom doesn't like it, but she understands that I don't like him because of how he use to treat her.
In OP's situation, it sounds like his wife failed as a parent when it came to the steps emotional wellness and earned their contempt. You can't expect more from the steps than the parents have taught them, and if the child doesn't like their parent then the spouse doesn't stand a chance.