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It's been 5 years since SS23 has spoken to us

Spideyfan000's picture

Hey everyone, I'm sort of new to this site and I've been on here before reading your stories but I'm new to posting so here goes. DW and I have been together for 13 years (Married for 10) and she has two kids from her previous relationship and we have three kids together (twins 10, 7). At the time SS23 was 9 and former SS (Who would be 21 now) was 6 when I first met her. DW and her ex had a really on and off toxic marriage to say the least. When it finally ended they pretty much hated each other. DW and EXH had 50/50 custody of both and just like a lot of you I dealt with the same issues as you guys did. SKs didn't like me and I'm pretty sure they didn't like their new SM either but even then I never took a parental role in their life. I assume their SM didn't either. I basically disengaged because at the time I didn't have my own kids till I met DW and the kids were a bit much for me that I just couldn't deal with their rudeness so luckily after a bit (With a lot of counseling) DW put her foot down and handled SKs herself. Our marriage is very solid but there was a huge problem that quite nearly ended our marriage and most likely almost ended EXH and SM's marriage too. Younger SS was dealing with some issues that were causing a lot of havoc in our lives. He was constantly fighting with us, and at school, his older brother was usually was on his side and both essentially became pretty problematic. We put him in therapy to see what was going on but it was no good. Things would get so bad he punched his father once and he got kicked out and when he came back he tried that here but my wife kicked him out to live with his aunt and her husband. DW and her EX would frequently visit younger SS to check up on him but unfortunately the kid took his own life. This even nearly crushed everyone. SS23 (At the time was 15) I believe took it harder than everyone else. It was such a dark time in our lives that even thinking about how DW felt at the time is traumatizing. We had to go through so much therapy and we would force SS23 to go to therapy. His mother wanted the best for him but to no avail. He constantly took his anger out on us and his dad and SM that we would have to call his aunt and her husband (who he's very close with) to pick him up amd eventually we thought it would be best for him to move in with them since he can't be of danger to us, our kids, his dad and SM and their kids. After moving in with his aunt and her husband they managed to get through to him and he eventually started getting better. They did have their tough times with him but the influence they had on him made him better. His aunt's husband was in fact an amateur boxer in back in his country and as he was already training SS's cousins he started training with SS as well. He saved that kid's life in so many ways I can't even explain the impact he had on him. However, SS stopped talking to us. When he was 17 DW asked him if he wanted to move back in he said no. Whenever there was family meetings he would refuse to talk to us or even acknowledge us. It's been like this for a long time. His dad has tried to be there for him as well but SS would reject him. He is somewhat close to my kids and his other half siblings but I don't think they're on the same level of bonding that he had with younger SS. Ever since he moved in with his aunt and her husband he wouldn't talk to us unless we called to check up on him. DW was hurt by this as she just wants her son back and the last time we tried contacting him again and he finally went off on us and said:

"Can all of y'all just fuck off? You people are the most annoying mf's out there. I don't want ANYTHING to do with you and your punk husband for all the shit you assholes put me and my brother through. Same with my moron dad and his bitch wife. You people are the most toxic human beings on this planet and the only good thing y'all did was kicking me out because if it wasn't for my aunt and uncle I would probably be alongside my brother. None of you cared jack shit about me or my brother. All you people ever did was use me as some sort of weapon against each other, you guys constantly bad mouthed the other parent even when I was around, and to top it all off your shit stain of a husband hated me. No biggy cuz I hate that retard as well. All your husband and my dad's bitch wife ever thought of me was as a remnant of your past life and rather than be there for me and my brother all you and my dad cared more about were your shitty new romantic relationships and ensuring that your Do-Over babies had stable homes when I didn't. I hated being one week at my dumbass dad's place and then the next at yours. You fucking suck as a mother and because your fucking neglectfulness as well as my dad's I lost one of the most important people in my life and neither YOU OR MY FUCKING FATHER can bring him back. You and him are nothing but a bunch of fucking sellout assholes and fuck your stupid marriages. Your marriages are nothing but an insult to my dead brother's memory but it is what it is. I had to build myself up again and without you in my life I'm so much better. I'm actually with people who care about me and value me as a human being. I always hear my brother in my head. I miss him a lot and I really wish he was here to see how good of a fighter I am but I can't now thanks to you sellouts. The only way you guys can actually have a relationship with me again is if you build a time machine or uproot my half siblings but I don't want that. So once again please fuck off and never speak to me again." 

It's been 5 years now and he hasn't said a thing to us. Sometimes, I sit back and think maybe DW is at fault but I also don't want to think that. I'm not sure how EXH and SM are dealing with this but I can't imagine it's any better. Would it be wrong of DW tries to contact him again?

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Spideyfan000's picture

Is that he took a break from boxing for a little bit to go to school and he graduated from a 10 month program med school program and became a pharmacy tech and is now back in boxing and hoping to make his pro boxing debut. He's also become pretty nerdy. As in he likes marvel, dc, star wars, anime, video games, etc. He's very athletic and the kid seems to be doing good but I can't help but feel kind of pissed off at him for rejecting DW and his harsh words about me.

ESMOD's picture

My thoughts are to let sleeping dogs lie honestly.

It sounds like his parents did not necessarily have the most healthy relationship and I'm sure that the home life for those kids was chaotic as they saw their parents perhaps not be faithful to the marriage/family before it finally all imploded (you said you met her when they were on and off.. assuming both of them were problematic in the relationship and maybe not faithful).

He blames the chaotic life they had for his brother takinghis own life.. and somehow has been able to survive through his other relatives taking him in.  I don't know that you .. (actually nothing you can do personally in any case) or his mom can do much to change that narrative.  He lived it.. and he feels like he saw his parents behave selfishly and throw their kids in the middle of their drama... was that partially true? maybe.. but that is the reality he feels he lived.

If his mom wants to send him an "I'm sorry that you feel so many things are our fault, but we were just trying to do the best we could in an imperfect situation and I still love you and you will always be my son, but will respect your wishes to not contact you.  My door is open if you want to reconcile"

but that's about it.

Spideyfan000's picture

They were on and off but I met her after they divorced. My bad I should've specified that before posting.

ESMOD's picture

Ah.. ok.

Still, you say they ended up in a pretty hateful dynamic.. I'm sure that probably included using the kids as pawns..or the kids felt in the middle.. 

It's like the parents get so wrapped up in "winning" the kids.. that like a present pulled between two children.. the toy gets ruined.. 

It sounds like this guy is holding onto a lot of pain.. and unfortunately. if the resut was him off with relatives.. his parents were not able to help him... and perhaps didn't want his problems around them and their "new families".. which kind of reinforces the tossed aside narrative he feels.

 

Spideyfan000's picture

The narrative of abandonment and betrayal by his parents is very strong with him. Like I said I never took a parental role in his life so it was all up to DW and her ex. She puts us first which I think is correct but my DW has also felt that she lost her kids as a result of that. The echoes of younger SS's death lingers heavily. DW has a small shrine in our home dedicated to younger SS with the things he loved but at the same time it feels like a constant reminder of what happened.

Harry's picture

In this blood line.  There nothing you can do. No I would not contact him.   My SD haven't spoken to us in like 35 years.  And I really dint know the reason. Mental health problems in that blood line thanks to BF.   I just feel some anger to her.  I gave her a childhood her BF wouldent / couldent. [ living in a car]    She went to school with the newish clothes ect.  She should at least appreciate what I did for her. 

CLove's picture

SD25 Feral Forger, she has created a similar false narrative that her "ATM dad, abandoned her and abused her". She created the relationship she wanted and then cried about it, Im sure to pretty much everyone else.

Recently she Texted husband for $$ towards a delinquent phone bill. When he told her her "couldnt" (not wouldnt) give her the ca$h, she went off on him and it escalated to her going on a family text to tell everyone that they are taking the side of her abuser. Of course in front of them she hugged him. Oh and she called me his "wh@re of a wife".

Mental health issues definitely. 

Im no contact with her.

You should definitely go no contact. Support your DW if she wants to keep the door open, but dont get upset on her behalf. It doesnt work for me. What works is complete disengagement.

Spideyfan000's picture

but as for my SS..... when I look back on his childhood I don't really think he created a false narrative. I love my DW but I can't help but feel like she did play some part in his rough upbringing. I'm not sure at this point. They were definitely problematic when both SS's were younger but I mean at this point it's already normal that children from previous relationships don't like their parents new partners. Before shit hit the fan they weren't EXTREMELY high conflict or anything. Sure some bad shit here and there but.... honestly I don't know.

NotMeAnymore's picture

SPs can't fix relationships between bio kids and BPs. First becasue we are never allowed to educate the skids, we are not regarded as any type of parental figure - only when it comes to $$$$ - so keep out of it and support your DW as best as you can, but do not intervene with the SS - you will lose all the time...

Spideyfan000's picture

I just feel so terrible for my wife. She puts us first but she's also told me that in putting us first she feels she lost her two kids.

Rags's picture

Even when it is a dog that you love, at some point it is time to stop trying to pet a dog that becomes rabid.

It is a blessing that this kid has separated from you and DW, and your young kids, and from his dad, SM and their young kids.

My condolences on your younger SS.  Though it is a blessing that younger man does not have to see his rabid elder brother be so toxic.

We all inherit baggage from our parents. At some point that becomes our baggage to solve. If we choose not to solve it, that is on us and not on our parents. This kid certainly has more difficult inherited parental baggage than most, but... he is now an adult and he has to resolve it or own it.  While aunt and uncle may have supported him when he was a struggling kid, training this internally angry and rabid  individual to be adept at violence was not a good choice. Be wary.

IMHO of course.

Spideyfan000's picture

But what from DW and I heard from SIL and her husband that he's in fact doing well. He works extremely hard and he's become very passionate for his sport. He helps them pay rent with his pharmacy tech job, has a girlfriend, and even plans to go overseas to fight in some tournaments with his uncle and even plans to go pro soon. I can't help but feel that DW and her stupid EX had something to do with his rough upbringing though. I also know that it's DW's fault for what happened with her two oldest but I also don't find myself blaming her. Honestly I'm not sure. As far as issues with his half siblings from both mom and dad side they've only seen how he's behaved but he's never been hostile directly to them. I don't even think he resents or hates his half siblings as during family gatherings and what not he'll be along with them, play with them, and he even gifted my oldest son a video game. I mean it's a game that he doesn't play anymore but still I'm surprised. 

 

thinkthrice's picture

From all three skids in 15 years.  Frankly for me if they ever do show up again it will be too soon.

Spideyfan000's picture

It seems like estrangement mainly comes from kids who have stepparents.