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Kind of OT - family estrangement/coparenting when you strongly disagree

Felicity0224's picture

 

This situation has a long backstory, but to summarize: XH and I are the only caregivers for his dad, who has a host of mental and physical health issues. FIL is estranged from his entire family except for us.

 

My brothers-in-law haven’t done anything to help us with FIL’s care over the past 4 years. In this time period he has been evicted 3 times, been arrested more times than I can count, and had a toe amputated due to gangrene as a complication of uncontrolled diabetes. We are in the process of petitioning for legal guardianship so that we can move him into a secured assisted living facility. 

 

To say that handling all of this has been a drain financially and emotionally, not to mention the enormous amount of time it has cost, would be an understatement.

 

It’s worth noting that FIL was a good dad - he and MIL were married for 40 years and she never worked in that time. He was a successful engineer and paid for both of my BIL to complete their educations through obtaining masters degrees. They both lived in their childhood home with MIL and FIL well into their 20s. His first mental break was about 10 years ago, and it’s been a roller coaster since then. 

 

So, since FIL became estranged from everyone, my XH’s relationship with his brothers has progressively deteriorated. He’s angry with them for abandoning their dad and for dumping everything on him (us) with seemingly not even a second thought. It all sort of came to a head around Thanksgiving, and for the first time since I’ve known XH, we had separate holiday celebrations. I took DD and my SDs to Thanksgiving and Christmas dinners with my ILs, but XH did not attend.

 

Last week, my XH announced that our DD is no longer allowed to spend time with my BILs or their wives. She can see MIL, but only with my supervision. He feels that since they don’t want to do any of the “hard” family stuff, they shouldn’t get to enjoy the fun family stuff. He also feels that their “lack of family values and loyalty” will be a bad influence on DD. 

 

DD has always had a great relationship with her aunts and uncles. I should probably say here that one of my BIL and his wife are DD’s birth parents (she is aware of this). She LOVES spending time with them and we’ve had a standing weekly visit with them for a couple of years now. 

 

Needless to say, this announcement has devastated them. It’s also broken my heart, and DD is very confused. I absolutely understand where XH is coming from. And I agree and have told both of my BIL that I think it is wrong of them to leave their brother and me to care for their dad after everything he gave them. I’m angry with them too. But I also know that none of that has anything to do with DD, nor does it have anything to do with my SIL, who have absolutely no responsibility for their husbands’ decisions. 

 

I’ve always said that I would respect XH’s wishes when it comes to DD. We generally coparent very well together. This truly is the first time I’ve been tempted to violate something that was important to him. My inclination is to at least let DD see one of my SIL (her birth mother) every week. This would be a risk, because I would never ask DD to keep a secret from her dad, and it’s likely that she would tell him that she’d seen SIL. When/if that happens, he will be livid with me. But I feel like it’s justified.

 

What do y’all think? What should I do? Literally sick to my stomach over this. 

Comments

Sadielady's picture

It sounds like you need to discuss this further with XH and help him see that his anger at his hrothers is valid but he'd be punishing DD. And tell him that you're not prepared to do that. It sounds like you coparent very well and can probably get to the other side of this in harmony with some more discussion. I hope so anyway.

BethAnne's picture

I agree with Sadie that talking is the way to solve this. I would respect his wishes in the mean time but try to help him see this does not help his dad but just punishes your daughter. Maybe start by trying to negotiate that she sees your sil? 

Did something happen recently between him and his brother that made him escalate to keeping her away from them? If so then he might need a little time to get over it or he might need to address that specifically with his brother so that they can move on. 

If he persists in insisting that she does not see them both then I might suggest some sort of mediation/family therapy to help work through this.

I would not put your daughter in the position of having to lie, your instincts are right to avoid that. 

Rags's picture

Tell DH that you will be continuing your visits with your SILs and even your BILs.  Understanding the hurt he has towards his brothers does not necessitate you contributing to the disconnection between the family. Go see your MIL, keep your DD in contact with her Aunts, Uncles, Cousins.

If DH gets butt hurt by it, explain to him that he has to figure out how to resolve his feelings over the situation an that though you agree with him that his brothers are not stepping up, you cannot exacerbate the issues.

IMHO of course.

Felicity0224's picture

Thanks, y'all. I have talked to XH at length about my opinions on this, he knows my point of view and he still believes that this is actually good for DD. He feels that strongly that his brothers' believes and actions will be a bad influence on her. This is the first time we've ever discussed something kid related and ended up not having reached some sort of compromise that we can both live with. 

To answer BethAnne's question, nothing has happened recently with his brothers that caused this. It's more that the situation with FIL has continued to escalate, and we've recently spent more than $15k petitioning for guardianship. Over the past 4 years, FIL's care has cost us well into six figures, but I think this was just the straw that broke the camel's back, so to speak. 

BethAnne's picture

What I don't get is how much does your daughter know about all this? Do her aunt and uncle tell her that they don't agree with helping her grandad? Or talk badly about him?

Also, how is cutting aunt and uncle out of her life teaching her that cutting family out of your life is wrong?? 

I know these aren't your questions to answer but it just doesn't make sense to me. 

Felicity0224's picture

These are some of the things I pointed out to XH. They literally pretend like FIL doesn't exist. So there isn't any badmouthing taking place. DD is fully aware of the situation. She's 10, and she's witnessed how much time and effort we spend on FIL and she knows that we don't have any help. She adores him and she has expressed that it makes her sad that her uncles won't at least visit him.

My SIL is coming over tomorrow while DD is at school so we can talk about it. I'm sure she's going to (rightfully so) try to negotiate at least her being able to see DD until this all blows over, which I am not holding out hope for, but anything is possible. I'm still not sure what I'm going to say to her beyond that I'm really sorry she's been caught in the middle of this mess. This is obviously not what we envisioned nor promised when we made the adoption agreement. 

Rags's picture

The adoption element of all of this that you are dealing with has to be difficult. 

My University BFF and his DW adopted her sister's baby out of the delivery room.  That sister had 3 daughters each by a different baby daddy.  Her eldest was with her DH, the second was with her geriatric cheat boyfriend's ..... underaged son, and the one my BFF adopted was with the BF she was living with when her 2nd DD was born.  That baby daddy adopted the second daughter and he immediately relinquished his parental rights to his DD upon birth.

Just knowing what my friend has experienced makes me hurt for you through all of this.

Take care of you.

BethAnne's picture

Is there any wording in the adoption agreement on access for her birth parents? 

My only other suggestion is if there is someone that your ex respects and looks up to that might be able to advocate on your daughters behalf? 

 

Felicity0224's picture

No, birth parent access is unenforceable where we live, so nothing about it was included in the adoption decree. But we did promise them that they would always be able to see her, within reason.