Ousted after 10 years
I am new here, found you all desperately searching for advice for my current situation. I have already read many of the blogs and feel as if I have truly found a place I can get some advice, support and encouragement. I have not quite figured out all the acronyms but I am working on it ; ).
So...my current situation. I am married to a wonderful man, he brought a child and I brought 2 children to our marriage, we have no children together. He raised his daughter himself after her BM put my SD on the school bus one day and left for another man she was having an affair with. This resulted in many, many years of the BM popping in and out of my SD's life, very inconsistent, often would make plans and never show, leaving my SD heartbroken. I came into my SD's life when she was 15. I made sure I included her in everything my children and I did, while also respecting her boundaries, never pushing her or forcing a relationship on her. Over time we found a comfortable place, I taught her to drive and took her for her driver's test, shopped with her for dance dresses, clothes, hair appts, picked her up from school to have an afternoon together and more... To say she was a troubled child is an understatement, I fully began to have a strong appreciation for the extreme hurt and damage a Mother abadoning a child can cause. Although I had a lot of personal thoughts about her Mother, I never put her down or tried to stop any plans her Mom may try to make.
Fastforward to present...she is now 25, lives with her boyfriend and has for about 3 years. Two years ago her Mom came back into her life, needing a place to live as she had nowhere to go and nothing to her name. My SD and her BF let her move in with them where she still currently lives, and probably will forever I would imagine. In the beginning it was not really any different, but about a year and a half ago my SD and her Father were having a phone conversation, he was trying to help her figure out some good options for a career, starting school and etc. She did not like what he had to say, hung up on him and said she was done with him. She contacted me for help in talking to him, I told her I would, but also expressed that the conversation she had with him was similar to what any parent would advise their child as far as further education, job market, etc. She said she could see that but she did not want anyone telling her what to do anymore. This very strange turn with my SD seemed as if it was coming from something we had no understanding of. We felt it could truly be related to her Mom being in her life now. Her Mom is very irresponsible, has a history of evictions, can not obtain a bank account, phone other than pre paid and has not been able to support herself for years. After the phone conversation, my husband started getting texts from BM (though they had not had any communication in YEARS, we assume his daughter gave her his #) she told him that he was a horrible Father, that he needed to leave their daughter alone and keep his toxic wife away from their daughter.
I continued to send texts to my SD letting her know that I loved her, missed her, was thinking about her. She would text me every now and then ask for a recipie or something. At this point she cut off all communication with her Father and would only talk to me. It was really strange. Then in June of 2019 she cut off all communication with me, she blocked me from FB, IG, she blocked my phone # and email address. In December 2019 out of nowhere she sent her Father a text telling him she loved him, always has and would like to rebuild their relationship. In January he went and had a cup of coffee with her, it went well he said albeit, awkward. This past week he text her asking her why she will not communicate with me, and that we wanted to invite she and her BF on our family vacation with my children and their boyfriend and girlfriend. She replied with..."I have no interest or time for anything other than a relationship with you, I only want us to be close again." To say my husband and I both are dumbfounded is an understatement. He has not even replied yet because he is so angry and is trying to figure out what will be best at this point. I am trying to separate the pieces and process my own hurt and feelings. I am trying so hard to not take any of this personally but I find today (we just received this text yesterday) is not going so well for me. Any advice, or coping skills for me would greatly be appreciated. Thank you so much for reading and your time.
So - this is a young woman
So - this is a young woman who longed for her mother to be in her life. You replaced that to some degree, but not really - you weren't her bio mom. Now bio mom is back and she's toxic. She's making clear to your SD that she must be loyal to HER, BM, or risk losing her again.
Personally, I'd just take a step back and let DH rebuild his relationship with her. She will eventually see exactly who bio mom is and then she will be willing to have a relationship with you again. Don't chase her or let her use you. As you said, having your mother abandon you is extremely traumatic and your SD has to work through that. Don't take it personally. My guess is that within the next couple of years, BM will do her wrong in a really big way and she will see the truth.
Thank you!
Thank you for breaking it down simply for me. I think I was just letting so much go around and around in my head with no real outlet to talk logically about it. I truly agree with you...honestly, time is the only thing that will really tell. I SO appreciate your time and comment.
The most important thing is -
The most important thing is - don't take it personally. And as someone below says, your DH needs to correct any lies that SD is hearing from BM about him and about you.
If she were 9 years old...
Don't take it personally? She is 25 years old. Not a child anymore, exactly! She should know better.
What that means is - it has
What that means is - it has nothing to do with the OP. It's about SD and her mom, and not because OP did anything wrong or deserves it.
I hear what you're saying,
I hear what you're saying, but if you are getting kicked in the butt, it hurts just as much whether it is "personally" or not. I have to say, I do not care for this saying: "Don't take it personally." I actually think it minimizes a SM's feelings, which, as we all know, is the last thing a SM needs to hear.
SKs, BMs, society, etc., cannot go around treating SMs like a a big ol' fur ball on a cat, and then try to excuse it by saying afterwards, "Don't take it personally." SD replied to her bio-dad with..."I have no interest or time for anything other than a relationship with you, I only want us to be close again." Yeah, I just fed you big ol' piece of shiatsu, but don't take it personally. Yeah, I'm going to go beat up my next door neighbor and tell him I was just angry about him having a nicer car than me, but don't take it personally. Really. Let's do away with that excuse, and especially in reference to adults.
I'm sure SD did have a hard life. Many of us have, but that is absolutely no excuse to have zero or even reverse appreciation for someone who did a good to great job of caring for you, and gave up a lot of her own life in the process too.
No, I'm sorry, you are
No, I'm sorry, you are hearing that all wrong - and taking it personally. What I mean by that is - don't take it as being ABOUT YOU - it's not. If you beat up your neighbor because he has a nice car, it's not personal - those are YOUR issues. Does it hurt, yes. But he doesn't have to beat himself up about being a bad neighbor, or having too nice a car or whatever - he can say, "Man, I have a crazy ass neighbor and now she's in jail. But it wasn't my fault she did what she did."
My point is, you can mope and be bitter about what your stepkids do to you and take it personally - or you can say, "I have a shitty stepkid with a shitty parent and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, that she treated me that way. I'm a good person who did everything I could for her, and THIS IS ABOUT HER, not about me."
Or, you can keep taking it personally and being bitter, that's your choice. They can treat you badly all they want, and all you can control is how you deal with it. I'm not saying it's okay, I'm saying it's not about you, it's about THEM. That's freeing, not insulting.
What I find really funny
What I find really funny about the phrase "don't take it personally" is that when someone uses it, they're trying to cover their own tracks for having been rude, by blaming you for being offended by their rudeness. The Urban Dictionary defines it this way:
“A phrase people use as a disclaimer to make an excuse to say or do something rude or mean to you to prevent you from having a poor self-image, or so there won't be repercussions, and make you feel they still like you even though they probably don't.”
There are always repercussions when you treat someone rudely. To blame them for getting offended by your rudeness is doubly foul.
Don't take it personally.
Don't be so rude.
I do not like that saying. It usually means you are expected to be at the end of a one-sided beating, like you’re not supposed to have an issue with being treated badly. And considering the number who seem to agree with me above, I don’t think I’m the only one who feels that way.
It has nothing to do with bitterness or moping around, and if you are trying to really say, "It's not about you, it's about them," then say it just that way, because then you've made your intentions clear by saying, "It's about them." If you say, "YOU--don't take it personally," there is no "them" in that verbiage. Implying, the issue is with YOU and how you are taking it period.
Further, no one above remotely said, “You have a shitty stepkid with a shitty parent and it has NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU, that she treated you that way. You are a good person who did everything you could for her, and THIS IS ABOUT HER, not about you." I wish they would have. That would have been freeing. Instead, the OP was just told things like, “Don’t take it personally.”
My SS's SpermIdiot pretty
My SS's SpermIdiot pretty much abandoned him at birth. The SpermIdiot was more interested in tail chasing and impregnating as many under age girls in the PAC NW as he could get his hands on.
I agree that kids who have the love of a quality parent while being cursed with a shallow and polluted end of their gene pool have the chance of successfully gaining clarity on the toxic nature of the shallow and polluted end.
As for abandonment or absence of a BioParent. It does not seem to have been a huge deal for SS. We did have some issues with the SpermClan manipulating SS but he had the example of a strong marriage between two caring respectful adults with independent successful careers who made the marriage their top priority and raising him their top responsibility.
Interestingly an absent BioDad was a bigger deal for my DW. Her BioDad was killed before my MIL even knew she was pregnant with my DW. That absence has been a periodic challenge for my DW at various points in her life. She was raised by my FIL as his own. He and my MIL married when my DW was 2mos old. He was as the hospital when she was born. They were very close. Much closer than FIL was with any of his 3BKs. I think that the nature of my IL's marriage and their poor choices are in large part what drives my DW's periodic issues over the absence of her BioDad.
Strong and mutually respectful spouses are a critical part of raising kids to viable performing adulthood.
So you are blaming the OP for
So you are blaming the OP for how her SD turned out? That doesn't seem fair. Sounds like she and DH do have a strong marriage and she did her best to work with him to raise SD - yet SD still is drawn to her BM as many kids are. Fair or not, an abandoning mom is a very different experience than an absent dad.
And I thought the father in your situation fought in court to see his son. This mother just disappeared from what OP is saying.
I do believe abandonment by
I do believe abandonment by any parent is very tough... having said this I never understood how horrible it is for a child until I came into my SD's life. I had two very loving parents and one home. My SD really taught me how deep hurt goes when the person who carries you for 9 months decides she just doesn't want you. I don't discount any hurt from anybody in regards to not having a Mother or a Father around, but in my SD's case, knowing her the way I do, I know she is taking whatever she can get in regard to a relationship with her BM, healthy or not, I don't know if she would even know what would be a "healthy" relationship with her BM. I guess my biggest thing which several people have commented about is how does BM coming back negate the 10 years I have spent with SD, and her age of 25? To not even be able to text every now and then or come to a family get together where we all will be?
I know in my heart, whether SD does or not, that she views any relationship with me now that BM is back as not possible, my DH and I also believe BM is feeding her this stuff too. I am blessed that my DH views us all as a family and plans on having a conversation with SD this week. We have just taken some time to process this between each other. My SD and my daughter were very close, they are 7 years apart... SD is cutting my kids out too. According to her, as of now with our family she has made it clear she will only have a relationship with her BF.
My skids cut my kids out too.
My skids cut my kids out too. The SS's didn't matter to much but OSD did some really nasty stuff and hurt my BD. It makes it harder when they involve your kids in the pain they dish out. OSD and MSD are 1 year apart and got along pretty well for a few years.
In my case, BM sees her kids as an extension of herself, thereby my kids are an extension of me and since I'm "bad" so are they.
I was not saying it was the
I was not saying it was the fault of the OP at all. In fact, the strong marriage that the OP has with her DH is what gave this kid a chance. That BM has weasled her way back in to this young woman's life and is sponging off of the OP's SD and her SSIL is pathetic.
Ultimately the OP and her Husband will have to pick up the pieces when SD figures out that mommy is using her and her husband. Hopefully the OP's DH has the balls to give SD clarity that his wife will not be put on the sidelines of any part of his life.
As for my SS's SPermIdiot fighting in court to see his son... Nope. It was SpermGrandHag that filed for custody in the SpermIdiot's name without telling him and forged the SpermIdiot's signature. Losing toxic is no great loss for anyone. Even when that toxic contributed to one's gene pool.
She needs time to experience
She needs time to experience her mother, warts and all. As for you, its a waiting game. Love the family that does come around, don't let SD sow any seeds of separation between you and DH. Keep the marriage strong and first priority. This relationship with her father should be rebuilt with him first. She has a lot of hurt to make up for but she has to understand her mother before she can let him back in. Living with BM daily for so long gave her ample opportunity to " brainwash" SD into believing her side of the story.
Don't let DH let lies go unchallenged, encourage him to get SD to remember the good times when they meet. SD will struggle coming to terms with all of this and he will have a tough time of it. Hopefully the two of them can work it out and rebuild a connection.
My DH is estranged from 3 of his bios. None of them have reached out to make amends yet. He's doubtful they ever will. If they do, it on him and them to figure it out. I'm just DH's cheerleader and wife now. A much better role than evil stepmonster.
User Name
Your user name really gave me a much needed laugh today...I have never in my life done anything as hard as blending a family, so your user name really does sum up what it can be like at times! Great advice here...I know her Mom has not had any form of counseling or therapy of any kind with all the things that have occurred in her life, and unless we make a very significant point to change our beahvior and way of living, usually with some form of help, then we truly don't change at all. I can't imagine that BM's real self will not appear at some point. Additionally, you are 100% correct that I just need to focus on the family that comes around which is everyone except her...thank you for advice and time!
^^^THIS^^^
Survivingstephell knows what she's talking about, OP.
Welcome to the site!
I agree with tog redux. The BM in your SD's life is emotionally toxic and chaotic - and the chaos is being reflected in your SD's communications (or non communications) with both her father and you. I would advise both of you to be cautious in your dealings with her and hold her at arm's length. I think it was very inadvisable for you and DH to invite SD on holiday w ith you, just confine any communications to brief friendly messages, at the most she and DH meeting for coffee and a chat. Anything else is asking for trouble in the present circumstances.
Thank you Kes
Yes, you are very right...I don't think either one of us really imagined this was as bad as it is, or that BM had that much control over her...afterall, she had always been with us...but you are 100% on point. Thank you!
I agree with above posters. I
I agree with above posters. I also feel sad at the sheer amount of hard work and love you both put in to be treated like that (someone may have told her stuff that is not true, or something like that).
If she doesn’t want to be told what to do (as many youngsters like to state when they think are a mature, but not....
you might wish to phrase sentences to her in ‘gentle way’ such as
“you might like to try this, or one possible solution is such and such”..
if you have tried that already then I’m out of ideas.
I just know I only see my bio mum a few times a year as I find her intolerable for many many reasons.
One of them being her saying
“you CAN’T do that” in a very very stern tone of voice
BM is panicking. If SD
BM is panicking. If SD pursues education and a viable career BM's free ride of milking SD and her family will likely come to an end.
Her contact with your DH is clear evidence of that DH needs to tune BM up with reality and the clear foundation that DH will never abandon his daughter to be BM's beck and call girl since it is long past time for BM to grow up and support herself.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
I’ve seen this or such happen
I’ve seen this or such happen so much, there is little anyone can say about how to remedy it. “ After the phone conversation, my husband started getting texts from BM (though they had not had any communication in YEARS, we assume his daughter gave her his #) she told him that he was a horrible Father, that he needed to leave their daughter alone and keep his toxic wife away from their daughter.”
Yes, it is true! BM can literally be a drug-addicted ho, and no matter what, the children will always want their mommy and welcome her back, anytime, with open arms. This will occur even over the bio-dad, much less a SM, even though they may have been there for them through thick and thin for years and years. All I can say is, what it is, it is so deep, no one will ever break the code. It is something in the DNA, quite literally, is all I can think.
SO, given that, there is very little a non-BM can do. Very little. You’d think when it came to adulthood, common sense would prevail, but it doesn’t have much to do with common-sense; it has to do with biology, and million and million of years of it, all that was spent on creating the mother-child bond so the future of the species was as secured as it could be.
So, when you ask for suggestions, it is no where near as simple as one might think or as some so often like to say—"Oh! Give it time. She’ll figure it out.” Maybe. Maybe not. Whatever happens it will be between her BM and her. It will have little to do with bio-dad or you, even though you two basically raised her.
And, yes, this is another example where SMs suck it up and take it for years and then get screwed. Putting the biological 50:50 aside and given the psychological, pretty much unbreakable mother-child bond, I’d say in real terms, your SD currently belongs to her BM 85% and bio-dad 15%. As hard as this may be for you to hear, you need to stand aside, let your DH handle it, and concentrate on your own children. She is lost to you now, and some people will try to argue that she never belonged to you, that she always belonged to her mother. Yep, in some ways she did, but as SMs we are never told that. We are just told to suck it up and take it and wait for our big pay day, which too often winds up being a big kick in the caboose.
One big caveat, though--your DH should always be treating you like the wife you are. You are also a mother to your own children. DH and his adult daughter should not be going on daddy-daughter dates. Grade schools kids might do this once a year or so, but adults respect the husband-wife relationship. They don't get a pass on this just because of a divorce or seperation years ago. Your husband should tell her: "You and I, as father and daughter, are a package deal, but my wife and I, as husband and wife, are a package deal too. You are my child, but you are an adult; adults are to fly away and find their own life-path at some point. Spouses, on the other hand, are to be bonded for life, 24/7. It is not a tit-for-tat situation where you can get away with trying to force me to decide who I love more. So, if you choose not to accept my life partner, my wife, then you've already made my choice for me.".
Plus, I'd also highly suspect
Plus, I'd also highly suspect those daddy-daughter dates will turn into daddy-daughter-BM dates.
Holy cow, you hit SO much on
Holy cow, you hit SO much on the head here!!! Absolutely love your raw, open truth... and you are 100% spot on! Thank you for taking your time to reply, I am truly grateful!
Toxic can be written off. Even it it is a parent or adult kid.
I have a life long childhood friend who long ago wrote off his mother. He was raised by his dad after his parents divorced. His sistrer was rasied by their mother until she was about 10yo at which point my friend took his sister, ran away from mommy's commune and called his grandfather (Mommy's father) to come get them. They called their dad when he got off the plane returning home from dropping him off for visitation with his mother. His dad immediately jumped on a plane and flew back to get both of his kids. His former FIL backed him in court to get custody of his daughter and to stop all visitation except with GrandPa who would not tolerate his own daughter to remove his grandkids from his home if she came to see the kids.
Even his sister has written off their mother. Completely. The last time either of them saw their mother was when she came for his wedding. He and his fiance invited her to their house (small modest home in the midwest) to have dinner with them and his sister. Mommy showed up and stayed for 15 minutes went out on the front porch for a cigarette, got in her car and drove away never to be seen again. His Grandfather showed up that evening , he flew in from out of state for the wedding, and asked where his daughter was. Jeff told grandpa what happenned and even her own father wrote her off at that point.
Toxic really does have no place in anyones; life and should not be tolerated even when it is a parent or even a child (adult) who is toxic.
Begging for a toxic mommy (or daddy) to love you and beging them to stay in your life is not the way to deal with toxic.
IMHO of course.