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Step daughter keeps saying I've hurt her

Indigogo's picture

So my DH has 2 11 year olds. I've known them since a year after we started dating and 1.5 years after their parents split up. So I've know them since they were about 4. They don't remember their parents being together and up until now I've had a good relationship with them. There is always an underlying current of antagonism from them towards both my DH and me and it feels like we both have to walk on eggshells with them because their mother is manipulative and emotionally abusive towards them and she's done a lot of parental alientation. They used to stay overnight (mother was distraught at this) but for the last 2.5 years one of them has refused to leave her mother even to visit friends (mother claimed it was because she had separation anxiety from her mother, then it was because DH was a bad parent, the GP thought it was because of the conflict between her parents and recommended counselling but the mother wouldn't allow it, and then after months of emails to and fro between mother and DH, mother decided that actually SD1 had high functioning aspergers and any attempt to help her would be damaging). A year ago, after much pressure from her mother, SD2 stopped staying the night with us although she'll spend nights away with friends. Since then every other weekend has been a succession of pickups and dropoffs, with the girls being really hard work for an hour or so around each handover at the beginning and end of each day. 

But considering all that, my relationship with them has been ok, and they absolutely adore their half-sister (my daughter) who is 3.

A year ago I touched SD2's hand in a conversation and SD2 told her mother that I had hurt her. Mother then changed this to I had "physically disciplined" SD2, which according to her email is something mother and DH have never done (trying to cause conflict between me and DH by making me the bad one. Didn't work). They've never had that level of agreement about anything since I've known them either. There are various reasons relating to her mother why I believe SD2 said this, so although it worried me and hurt me I put it behind us.

Then just before christmas out of nowhere I managed to antagonise SD2 who then in the ensuing tirade said I'd hurt her (again). Again I don't think this is the case. I think she was hurting emotionally from things that were going on at home (mother has been being quite vindicative towards her recently and maternal grandfather is quite ill - we didn't know this at the time) and I think she just wanted to use someone as an emotional punchbag. The next few visits were equally fraught, with SD2 just having a go at me and nothing would stop her. 

On top of this since all of this kicked off my 3 year old SDs half sister, started saying that mummy, daddy and SD1 are "bad guys" and SD1 says "not nice things to daddy", which is true. I don't know where she got the "bad guy" phrase from. Either from her sisters or because of the confusion caused by someone she adores being mean to someone else she adores and the ensuing tension.

As a result of this I've taken myself and my daughter out of this situation and we've made other plans the last 2 weekends we've had them. OMG. The relief is beautiful but it's not a long term solution.

What concerns me most are the accusations of me hurting SD2, particularly as the mother is a pathological liar and even if her lies are discovered she doesn't care. It's just like water of a ducks back. Which makes her very dangerous.  She thinks she's untouchable. Which she pretty much is. SD2 doesn't realise the devastating affect these accusations could have and she's fiercely loyal to her mother.  But these accusations are putting me (and therefore my daughter) in a really vulnerable position.

Any suggestions?

nengooseus's picture

Cameras should be installed in public areas of your home so that you have a record of what happens or doesn't happen.  You also need to not be alone with these children.  Ever.  Minimal to no touching--nothing initiated by you.  You do nothing for them.  Everything is referred to Dad to do.

If your gut is telling you that these children are a risk to you, they are.  Listen and act accordingly.

ESMOD's picture

Well, the ideal solution would have been for their father to grow a spine and stop the nonsense of his children not being allowed to have his rightful visitation.  He has allowed his EX to steamroll him.. and his kids are the casualty.

At the first HINT of issues with the girls staying over.. there should have been intervention... BM has waged a war that was one-sided and their father didn't step up and shut it down in the beginning.. so she just kept on rolling over you.

Allegations of abuse are serious.  It could jeopardize your child being taken away.. and you being charged.  

If your husband can't step up and protect you.. you will have to continue to do what you are doing which is to take yourself and your daughter out of the home every visit.  The girls need therapy.. not sure if you can walk back years of separation... at 11.. they may be well launched on this trajectory.. and may remain estranged from your husband.

 

tog redux's picture

Yes, all of this - except - he should take his visitation elsewhere, you shouldn't have to be the one who leaves.

ESMOD's picture

Ideally.. yes.. that's what her DH should do.  but.. she may find her DH refuses.. in that case.. she needs to protect herself first.

TwoOfUs's picture

Yes, she should definitely. Since they aren't spending the night anyway, it should be easy for DH to do visitation outside the home. Or maybe they can switch off so it's not always the same one having to think of outings. If I were OP, I'd even be fine locking myself away in my bedroom with a book and some books/toys/movies for DD until they left. Zero interaction. Let it all fall on DH. Either he steps up and starts to control his brats or you wait it out until they quit coming over altogether. You don't have to be the scapegoat, though...and you don't have to trust them or have a relationship with them.

tog redux's picture

Well, if he refuses, then she has much larger issues than her stepkids being alienated.  There is no reason except selfishness that he would want his wife and younger child to be put out to accommodate his older two. 

Indigogo's picture

It's really easy to say he should have grown a spine and stopped the nonsense of the kids not visiting but SD1 was flat out refusing to leave her mother. She would be sobbing, arms tight around her mother's waist, refusing to leave. What should you do in that situation? Rip the child away for a weekend only for her to go back on sunday evening and for the next 2 weeks have her mother telling her how badly she's being treated, that her dad will harm her etc etc? And at that point SD2 was still visiting. Any attempt to rip SD1 away from the mother would have endangered that visitation too.

Yes you can go to court, but the lawyers said that even if the court enforced the visitation rights, that wouldn't stop the drip drip drip of poison in the children's ears. 

If it had been my children I would have gone to court, but this woman was also emotionally abusive towards DH for years durong their marriage and at the crucial years he was still recovering from that. As part of the divorce they had to attend mediation. At mediation my husband feels that he was just constantly villified, not just by his ex but by the mediators. Lawyers we spoke to subsequently said that that firm of mediation people has a very bad reputation.

To go to court they would have had to go back to mediation (according to lawyers) again and my husband didn't think he would recover from that. It's annoying I grant you, but when you're in a plane you have to put on your own oxygen mask before you put on other people's and it's the same in a case like this. There would have been no point in him destroying himself in the process of doing what?? and then  not being able to support his kids. It's a tough situation but it's not as easy as saying "just grow a pair".

tog redux's picture

I get it - my DH was totally alienated from my SS from over 3 years and court and therapists were zero help. BM was too good of a liar and manipulator, and SS lied for her.   Though DH probably would have ripped the sobbing kid from BM's arms and taken her for visitation. 

TwoOfUs's picture

I understand. We had a similar situation with OSD, who was just so totally awful. DH did a lot...but it's difficult to undo years of poisoning and coddling. And you're right. After a certain age the courts will make a ruling but won't really enforce anything. Except child support, of course...that they'll enforce to the penny even if BM is in blatant contempt of court on everything else. 
 

 

Thumper's picture

Your DH has a decision to make.

Drop the rope OR continue to 'fight' all this mess in court.

Your bm is not going to stop...it will, get worse.

Your obligation is to protect yourself and your bio's. PERIOD.

frankly I am surprised cps has not knocked at your door considering sd claim. Be very careful.

 

Bex_S's picture

I had, and still have this issue with my SD, the worst being when I pulled her back on to the pavement to stop her getting hit by a car (that narrowly missed her). She just decided that jumping on and off the pavement, regardless of oncoming traffic would be funny. She turned this around and claimed to her mother that I hit her. NEVER be alone with this child. The lies will only get worse.

Rags's picture

I would be investigating legal action against BM for her manipulative crap and I would be confronting both SD's about their lies.  Each time they lie, you and DH need to call them in it and if they quote BM when being confronted they need to be given the facts and told that BM is lying.

Lather, rinse, repeat.

See what your lawyer says about going after BM in civil court for her lies and manipulations.