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SamBa's picture

Hi all,

I’m new to the forum but desperately in need of advice.

I am in a same-sex marriage and my wife has a son who is 28. I am of similar age to SS (there is a fair age gap between me and my partner). It might seem like a cliche but as a couple we rarely argue however when we do it’s about SS. 

The main issue is that SS is the complete opposite of me, self-centred, arrogant, lazy and ungrateful. We’ve never really got on since me and my partner got together 7 years ago and I hoped after we married this would change but it didn’t.

SS left the home a year after I moved in to go to university. Following uni he needed to move back and it was me who suggested he move back with his partner, it wasn’t to last unfortunately and his partner moved out after a year living with us (SS cheated on them). Whilst he was at uni he got considerably in to debt, we helped by the tune of thousands but we are not affluent and struggled and went without to help him. He has never said thank you to me, not once.

Due to his debts he has been living back with us for 3 years rent free, even when we have struggled to make ends meet, not offering anything as he is “paying back his debts so can’t afford it.” I’m always doing anything I can for him despite the ungrateful attitude. I do it for my partner now, not for him. The ONE time he broke the ONE rule I set which was not to bring anyone round without prior warning (I suffer from anxiety) he flew off the handle, had a massive go at his mum saying things like we’re ruining his life and that she is a bad mum, when confronted by myself he was as nice as pie.

I’ve now had enough of his lack of contribution to the house in anyway and of clearing up his mess. I feel like it’s his and his mums house but not mine. What can I do? I don’t want to cause arguments as he will always come first to my partner and I know that but I’m at the point of being so frustrated it’s effecting my mental health and I want him gone. 

Sorry for long post but any advice gratefully received, thanks.

DHsfamilyfromhell's picture

You are in the uk the same as me. My son is about to start uni. The debts are going to be quite substantial - however it is my understanding that the repayment rates aren’t massive( ie from student finance England)The banks only seem to be offering small overdrafts etc, and a credit card. So even with all that debt someone ought to be able to afford a contribution such as one hundred a month (or more) if they have been living back at home for three years. 

If that were me I would ask my partner how long the arrangement is likely to continue for. 

Kes's picture

I also live in the UK, and have experience of the Uni finance system.  If your SS has a debt regarding a student loan from a UK university, then he is not required to start repaying it until he is earning above a set amount, and the debt repayments are usually set at quite a low figure, repayed over many years.  (My daughters in their mid/late 30s are still repaying theirs but the amounts are tiny).  If SS has acquired debts from other sources then he should be responsible for these, it is not up to you and your partner to be supporting a man who is nearly 30. 

It would do him a lot of good if he was forced to stand on his own two feet and make his way in the world.  I strongly suggest that you talk to your wife with a view to setting a time scale by which he must leave - I suggest 2/3 months which would give him time to make arrangements.   Encouraging him to be a  massive cuckoo in the nest, beak forever open, is not doing anyone any favours. 

SamBa's picture

Hi both, 

Firstly, thanks for the advice, it’s good to vent to someone.

Unfortunately the debts were not for his student loan, if they were I’d have been more understanding. The debts included a payday loan, multiple credit cards, catalogues etc. He was living beyond his means unfortunately, I know students are generally skint but he was working part-time and for some reason just kept spending and borrowing. Trouble was because he was at uni at the other end of the country we had no knowledge of this until we got a very upset SS at the end of the phone. I had sympathy at that point but since moving back with us he has had a CCJ against him and the bailiffs knocking at our door for more debts that he’s accrued Sad

SS is currently paying a little bit back of his student loan as he has met the threshold, albeit just above. Luckily because it is taken automatically out of his pay then that debt is being controlled.

Apparently he told my partner that he plans to move out the end of next year but that’s just too long for me. Even his gran, my mother-in-law has said he needs to move out but I’m just too scared of upsetting my wife which is why I don’t always speak up. I’m over sensitive I know but she means the world to me and I don’t want her to think I’m making her choose between us because obviously her son comes first and that’s how it should be.

It just feels like sometimes it’s SS and wife’s house and I’m just there to pay the bills and toe-the-line. The house is joint my wife’s and mine but it doesn’t feel like home anymore. I am so happy when it’s just the two of us, even if it’s simply being sat together watching tv, but when SS is around I’m uncomfortable and irritable. Am I the problem?

Rags's picture

"obviously her son comes first and that’s how it should be."  Never is this case and if it is.... why be married at all.  Equity life partners must always come first to each other as should their marriage.  Minor children are the top relationship responsibility but never should they trump the partners and the marriage to each other.  Adult children don't rate at all. Ever.  PERIOD!

Quit devaluing yourself.

MissTexas's picture

This is a tough spot to be in. So many of us here suffer and struggle trying to please our spouses so they can have things in their lives that bring them joy. Unfortunately, you are suffering and even indicated it is starting to affect your mental health. This is not good! Many health issues can be brought on due to stress, as I'm sure you know.

You must approach it with your wife, especially since you've already allowed him to live expense free withyou both for 3 YEARS!! WOW! You're a saint in my opinon.

Why does it have to be that way? Her putting him first? Love for your child isn't coddling and enabling him or her to sponge off of you both, love is setting parameters and boundaries and letting them fly on their own.

Many have given their spouses ultimatums, and timelines to make the necessary changes. It sounds like this is where you have arrived.

You matter! You need peace in  your life. With love, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE. Approach her from a loving perspective, let her know your relationship is suffering as a result of her adult son.

SamBa's picture

DW does notice but we've argued about it in the past because I’m being 'moody and quiet' but I keep quiet to keep the peace, sometimes it's like I can't win.

Taking all of your advice on board I think I will sit and talk to DW soon and say I want him to go before Easter, that way it gives 6 month notice.

I know that a lot of this is my own fault because I don't want to upset DW and I know DW doesn't realise and doesn't understand because I don't explain myself.

The other worry is that if he moves out he won't start to pay us back the £6k+ that he owes us which I would like back as part of that was my great-grandmother's money. Where do I stand with this? From watching Judge Rinder on occasion I’m aware I probably need to get something in writing?

Lollybobs's picture

 '... obviously her son comes first and that’s how it should be.'

Er...no. Just no. She is married to you, not her son and he is a grown man who works. So he has a debt problem but he isn't the first or last person to find himself in that situation. You've been more than supportive by allowing him to live there rent-free for 3 years but ultimately, that isn't helping him to manage his money and stand on his own two feet - it's helping him to avoid it.

Student loans don't have to be paid back until you earn in excess of £25,500pa and even then it's only 9% of how much you earn above this figure. That leaves quite a lot of money to be self-supporting as well as pay off debts. Citizens Advice, National Debt line & StepChange Debt Charity all offer non-profit debt counselling help (in other words, a one-to-one session with someone paid to help you, not to make money out of you). A chat with any of these would be a good step in getting him to take responsibility for himself.

You're unhappy and you're being taken advantage of, so this needs to change. Nobody has any right to make you feel like this in your own home. You need to sit down with your partner and make this very clear; the problem isn't going to disappear unless steps are actively taken to resolve it. If she respects you, she should be prepare to accept that you've been more than reasonable but that you're unhappy and therefore something needs to change.

2Tired4Drama's picture

SS won't be paying anyone any time, based on your description of his entitlement mentality.  It is a shame that money your great-grandmother worked hard for went to such an ungrateful source but you can't change that now.  

Keep in mind that this guy is an ADULT.  His day-to-day existence and support should no longer be his mommy's top priority.  When your wife took her vows to you, she should have understood that or she shouldn't have made them.  

Next, you must have a conversation with your DW about this.  As hard as confrontation can be, it is better than the simmering resentment and unhappiness brewing in you. That's not good for you, not good for her, not good for your relationship.  Start out by first asking her to describe and clarify her position on supporting her son - "How long do you think SS should continue to live with us?  Do you think supporting him long-term is healthy?  What is the best way for him to become self-supporting?  Do you think he should pay back money he has borrowed?" 

This will give you some insights into her thought process.  If she cannot explain or answer these questions, or becomes immediately defensive, you've got an answer of sorts.  She expects it to go on indefinitely and she expects to coddle him for the rest of his life.  

This is not acceptible, though, and you will have to draw a very deep line in the sand.  This is YOUR home, too, and you have a right to what happens in it.  You don't need to have it in the same conversation but maybe a bit later you can say you've thought about your DW's answers to her son's situation, and you don't think it is something you can tolerate any longer.  You can then ask her what she thinks you should plan to do, as you will no longer be willing to live in the same household as an adult man who should have been on his own a long time ago.    

If she tells you that you should plan to move out (because she won't ask her son to)  then you also have another answer.  You are not her priority, her ADULT son is.  

 

Rags's picture

The most fatal of fatal flaws in any blended family marriage is the kid "will always come first to my partner".  Any time one partner puts anything or anyone above the marriage and the other partner that is the end.  The marriage may not know it is the end, but the marriage is over. It is just a matter of time.

You are young.  You are of a comparable age to your wife's son.  Compare yourself to this toxic POS non adult and note how massive a failure your wife is as a parent.  If her child comes first, and she has failed that miserably at what she clearly considers her priority what is appealing enough about her to stay in this travesty of a marriage where you are not your partner's priority, your marriage is not your partner's priority and you are subjugated to a rude, manipulative, incubus of a marriage sucking and soul sucking asshole adult  step child?

SamBa's picture

We're going to talk tonight, DW knows it's about SS so will see how it goes. I know it's time to stop staying silent and say how i feel and i'm petrified of what the outcome may be.

Thanks all for your advice, i've taken it on-board. Wish me luck...

Smile

Rags's picture

Good luck.  Do not let your wife shake your position on this discussion.  You and the marriage must come first for her.  As she and the marriage do for you.

SamBa's picture

Hi all,

Apologies for the late response.

It actually went very well! DW hadn't realised how bad i was feeling and was really understanding. She said the words i didn't realise i needed to hear "SS is my son and will always be important to me but he will leave me. You are my wife and we will spend the rest of our lives together, you ARE important to me." At that point i sobbed the hardest i've sobbed for years. The world was just lifted from my shoulders and i feel as though i've fallen in love all over again.

DW apologised for not realising how bad things had gotten but did say that she may not be able to fix everything but she will fix what she could, i understood and i'm hopeful for the future again.

Thanks again for all the advice, it's definitely good to talk Smile