Fiance's Kids Argue 24/7 - at Wit's End
Hi.
My fiance has two kids (boy, 10; girl 8). They argue and tattle tale over EVERYTHING - e.g., video games, which seat in the car they get, who hit who, toys, TV, who showers first / last, who sits where at the dinner table, etc. Literally everything! And then (mainly the girl) will come and loudly tattle tale... "mommy, he [insert allegation]!" It's been *never ending* since I met her a year ago.
Moreover, the two kids CONSTANTLY interrupt any activities their mom or I are engaged in; they have ZERO respect for conversations their mom is in with me or anyone else. It's constantly "mommmy! mommmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyy! MOMMMMMMMMMMMMMMYYYYYYYYYYYY!" until she stops what she's doing and either yells at them (again) or gives them some sort of attention.
When their mom is away and I or a grandparent or someone else is watching the kids, both will call their mom constantly to ask for the most insignificant things (e.g., "can I go to the bathroom?" "Can I play on my iPad?" "Can I have a snack?") They won't do anything without their mom's OK.
I'm at my wit's end and find myself hiding in my home office, going outside to hunt ants (any excuse), or making up reasons why I can't go on family outings.
My fiance is truly a wonderful woman and fantastic with my 12-year-old son (who is also at wit's end as well and avoids the girl at all costs). But I can't do this any more.
Advice? Please!
Oh Man. I dealt with the
Oh Man. I dealt with the interrupting thing with skids myself. Constantly, it was "dad...dad...dad...dad...." while we were talking, until my SO finally said what? He is able to tune them out and didn't really notice it, but I finally snapped and said, Just WAIT guys, we are talking, you do not interrupt!. Afterwards I talked to skids myself and said, you guys just need to work on manners- no interrupting when others are talking. Got it? They have been much better, but if they do it, I just hold up my hand without even looking at them and continue talking to my SO until we're done. THEN we look at skids to let them know it's their turn. It's hard to argue with a hand held up in front of your face. If that doesn't work for your skids, then up the ante- if someone keeps interrupting, they get to go sit in their room for 1/2 an hour (or anything that gets it through to them that it's not ok). It sounds like your wife yells at them, but doesn't truly lay down the law and tell them that certain behaviors are unacceptable. If there are no real repurcussions for their actions, or if they're simply told "stop" repeatedly, they are just going to keep doing it.
When skids start arguing, my SO's tone leaves no room for them thinking they can continue. If he tells them to knock it off, you know he means business. Therefore, he doesn't have to say it that much. They know not to even start.
Some of these things can be addressed by setting rules that leave no room for argument- Everyone sits at the same spot at the dinner table, every single night, and we don't want to hear any arguing about it. We each have our own set spot at our table (it just kind of happened), and there is nothing to argue about. Oldest showers first, every night. Nothing to argue about.
I wouldn't have patience for all of that- if my SO didn't handle it, I would step in and handle it myself.
Part of my other challenge is
Part of my other challenge is that my fiancee is very sensitive when it comes to any type of discussion (not attack or accusation or blowing up her parenting skills) about her children's behavior. Super sentitive. So, I'm walking on very thin ice here... on a hot day...
(FYI - FIANCEE refers to a
(FYI - FIANCEE refers to a woman who is engaged, FIANCE refers to a man. Sorry to be Ms. Grammar Person)
Please don't marry her without a lot of conversations about parenting style and how misbehavior will be handled. She needs to parent her kids.
I learned something today.
I learned something today. Thanks.
Me, too! Fiancee! Got it!
Me, too! Fiancee! Got it!
To be honest, I kind of think
To be honest, I kind of think my parents had a pretty good approach to my brother and my bickering.
1. They didn't referee our disagreements. If you can't get along.. you can't be together.. so we would BOTH get timeouts... or similar consequences.
2. They were not going to allow an item to be a bone of contention. Either we learned to share or the item was removed from BOTH of us.
3. Tattling did not get any response unless the behavior was patently dangerous to one of us (or the home.. like playing with matches).
Unfortunately when mom swoops in and tries to fix and be responsive to every ask.. she has conditioned them to continue to behave this way.
My mom literally told us to stop circling her like sharks..lol. She also encouraged us to figure out things on our own. We were also told to not interupt unless it was life or death.. not all the time.. but if my parents had guests over or were doing something.. we knew we were not to pester them.
I think you need to just do
I think you need to just do it without talking it over with mom. Teach them how to behave with you. If she doesn’t like it, then she can handle it but for her to allow you to be annoyed isn’t very respectful on her part.
Ask yourself....IS this how I
Ask yourself....IS this how I want to life my life between 'now' and 'dead'?
Tell her to give her x full custody of her kids then you will get married.
Your SO is going to have to
Your SO is going to have to extricate her head from her own ass and force this kid to grow up. If she doesn't this is not a marriage I would want to be part of if I were you.
So, figure out the Rx for her Cranio-Rectitis and give her strong regular doses of it until your SO finds clarity.
You can confront the SD-9 behaviors as well. If SO doesn't like how you parent and discipline, then she can step up and get it done before you have to.
Good luck.