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SD18 and College

CBCharlotte's picture

We are going through the college process with SD18, who will graduate in June.  SD18 is a pretty good student, mostly As and Bs.  She is in some honors and AP classes and generally does well and does her homework without a battle.  Compared to many skids on here, she is a dream. 

 

That being said, she is babied by her mother to the point of insanity.  The kid has absolutely no drive.  She quit her job at Chic Fil A (where she worked 1, maybe 2 days a week for a few hours) because it was *too stressful* with her schoolwork.  She has no extracurriculars besides "French Club" that meets once a month to eat cheese and crackers.  She has no interests to speak of besides politics, and that is really high level (watches pundits on TV sometimes).  She has to go to therapy and got put on anti-anxiety medicine because her life is "so stressful". (She has no stress whatsoever....she babysits sometimes to have $$$ to pay her car insurance).

 

I'm really worried about her going away to college, because she's a basket case.  The girl is just a constant ball of anxiety, since BM1 is the same way.  BM is constantly making comments like "oh gosh they're flying this week, I hope a terrorist doesn't blow up the plane" or "We're supposed to get a bad rain storm, the wind may make it a hurricane" etc etc and it has rubbed off on her kids.  Everything is an issue.  I don't know how SD18 is going to handle college since she can barely make it through high school without a 2 hour daily nap after school to "de-stress" and medication.

 

It is frustrating as a Type A Overachiever.  In high school, I was president of everything...senator of community service core, drum major of the marching band, pit captain of the drumline, lead for school orchestra, president of another club, etc etc.  I still had a 4.0 GPA and worked at a restaurant while juggling everything. It was a tiny bit stressful, but I feel like the more you have on your plate, the more you adjust.  I still had a vibrant social life, boyfriends, etc.  I also got in to every college I applied for, most with good scholarships.  I don't remember feeling overwhelmed, and I certainly never had time for daily naps!

 

SD just kind of waffles through life and it is incredibly frustrating to watch.  She has been going through the college application/selection process.  I know I've blogged about this before.  Her mom has pushed her to apply to a ton of VERY expensive private schools and her and SD look down at affordable public schools.  DH, having been unemployed for 2+ years, has no college $ for SD.  I'm certainly not paying for it.  BM1 has about $15,000 TOTAL saved, despite getting a $700,000+ divorce settlement and $50,000+ TAX FREE child support every year for the last 12 years.  Despicable, but I digress.

 

SD didn't get into her top choice, UNC Chapel Hill.  She did get in to UNC Asheville and with scholarship and some gov. subsidizied loans, the bill per year would be less than $15,000 which is pretty affordable.  Of course, she is turning her nose up and doesn't want to go there.  She loves Elon and got in there, but it cost $40,000+ per year and we haven't gotten any financial aid info from them yet.  She got into College of Charleston, which is also extremely expensive.  I believe she is waiting to hear from her mom's Alma Mater (Mount Holyoke) which is $50,000+ per year.  She just found out she got into my alma mater (Temple University) which would cost around $15,000 per year, maybe less (we haven't gotten scholarship or financial aid info yet).  She really liked Temple when she went to the Open House with us, but I'm sure has been poo-pooing since she could actually graduate nearly debt free and it's a public University.

 

I've been trying to gently guide her to think about her future 40 years, not just the next 4 years.  We will NOT be co-sigining on any loans, so she will be on her own for that.  She plans to major in political science and has no drive, so she definitely will not be graduating rich.  I don't understand WHY anyone would want to have their child graduate $150,000+ in debt.  Why would you start your life that way?  I explained to her two pictures of her 20s.  In one, she is back living with her mom, paying $1,000+ a month in student loan payments.  She is probably working a second job, and certainly not going on any vacations or living it up.  In the second life, she has her own apartment in the city.  She has a very modest loan payment, if any.  She can go out to dinner with her friends, take that European vacation, and enjoy her life.  She agreed she wants option #2.  I explained this is the difference between starting out with enormous college debt or not. 

 

She is not having a specialized major, so there is no need to go to a crazy expensive private University.  I had a very specialized degree (Actuarial Science) and still got a great education at an affordable public University.  I keep reminding her that if I didn't have a good career, we would all be screwed right now.  In addition, she is a Type 1 Diabetic so she needs to enter into a career field and job that has good insurance, so no working as a part time contractor for a non-profit, or nonsense like that.

 

SD18 has no drive and no idea what she wants to do.  I wish she would go to community college for a year and mature a little and see what she likes, but I know that will never happen.  I would certainly love for her to go to Temple, but I want her to be happy.  The best thing for her would be to go to UNC Asheville for 1 semester or 1 year, then transfer to UNC Chapel Hill but she won't do that either.  I know, I know, not my monkey, not my circus.  I can't care more than the parents. etc.  DH and I talk about it a lot and he shares my concerns, but SD18 has to make her own choice and her own mistakes. 

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ProbablyAlreadyInsane's picture

Thinking back on my college experience... I had a half scholarship and worked. Another university offered me a full ride and I turned it down because the other college had the major I wanted. I'm not sure I would make that choice again. I don't have tons of student loans ($13k) and I only pay about $150 a month on it. But graduating college debt free would have been a blessing! Because with life right now, sometimes $150 is rough. I hope your SD wisens up and realizes she doesn't need some crazy expensive, no scholarship, college to get an education) Best of luck and keep us updated!!!

TwoOfUs's picture

Gah. 

Do we have the same SD? My SD also got into College of Charleston, which is where she's dead set on going...it's in state for us, which makes it a little more affordable, but they're not giving her much aid. 

Like your SD, she generally gets good grades and is a good kid. She also works pretty regularly, though she was a harder worker before this year. She cut back her hours because of 'school stress' even though, as a senior, she only goes until noon now and has easy classes. Whatevs. Not my problem...but don't come with your hand out for college money either. 

Truly, this whole college hunt thing has been driving me insane and taking up waayyyy too much of my time...especially considering that I want it to take up exactly zero of my hours. Blogging about that shortly. 

Like your SD, she's had better offers from some good schools (Winthrop, Anderson, USC) but she's poo-pooing all of them and just assuming CoC will work out. 

z3girl's picture

This is very similar to how my SD was when she was in high school and as an undergraduate.  BM is a serious helicopter parent.  SD wanted to go to the most expensive (yet not impressive schools) and ended up going to DH's sister's alma mater.  Basically an expensive school for rich kids who couldn't get into better schools.  SD had a decent gpa in high school, but really didn't have a distinguished record.  She only ever worked in the summer as a life guard.  Luckily the university gave her a decent financial aid package, but she still ended up with over $18k in loans to repay.  Oh, she also majored in Creative Writing and minored in Photography, but refused to get any internships until her senior year, and did nothing involving writing as an extracurricular.  (She was a life guard at college too for about 5-10 hours per week.)  She also has anxiety issues and takes medications.  An example of how enmeshed BM was/is...when SD needed to apply for study abroad which was required at this school, BM spent a weekend in SD's sorority house and filled out the paperwork for her. 

So...SD graduated with a writing degree and no writing work experience and no desire to get a job writing after graduation.  She finally listened to DH before her senior year and he got her an internship at the Wall Street Journal (he used to work for Dow Jones) but it was only 2 weeks long and she didn't cultivate any contacts.  She spent the next two years as a waitress and lived with BM.  She then decided to go to grad school in Colorado so she can smoke pot legally and wanted a degree in Communications so she can get a job marketing recreational use marijuana.  DH did not agree with it at all, so he only gave her a third of her security deposit for her first apartment.  BM foot the bill. (She gained an inheritance shortly after SD graduated as an undergrad.)

Now SD is 26, nearly 27.  She is finally working in a "real" job, making a whopping $40k per year with a graduate degree, and works for a lawn care company.  We still think she is rather immature for her age, but she's a million times better than she was a few years ago. 

I worked full time while in high school, and graduated from college without debt.  Not sure if it's a generational thing or what.

My niece is graduating from high school in June.  She is getting a free ride to college through the Army/ROTC.  She is so completely different than my SD.  She doesn't need a full scholarship to go to college, but wants to do this.  Proud of her.

notarelative's picture

You've explained. You've shown her the facts. You can't make her believe her if the mom is saying otherwise.

Does SD, and by extension her BM, understand that there is nothing DH can contribute beyond his legal financial obligation? That if there is no support beyond 18 in the decree, he cannot commit to give her anything, and will  not cosign loans, as he still has three other children to support. That if there is support in the decree, that is all he is contributing.

DH needs to explain the finances once more (and that student loans are not dischargable under bankruptcy) and then let her and her mom make the final decision. You can't make someone financially responsible. You can only show them the way to get there.

Exjuliemccoy's picture

Will do your skid a world of good. It sounds as if the mother is the source of a lot of your SD's anxiety.

Pear's picture

Just a quick FYI.  I work for a non-profit and make an excellent salary and have top of line insurance and benefits.  I don’t make as much as I might in the private sector, but it is still lucrative.  Not every non-profit is subsistence wages.

notasm3's picture

I am always on the side of reality.  A person going to college needs to understand what others can or  cannot provide.  I am not opposed to student loans ( NOT co- signed loans). 

I was able to attend a fabulous woman’s college on scholarship with a loan.  It changed my life.  But my loan amount was approximately half of my first year’s salary.   I think that is a fairly good yardstick to use.  

 But had that not worked for me I would have gone to a local college- even if it was not so hot.  

 But the most important thing is for a child to accept the reality of the situation. 

fourbrats's picture

The best thing I ever suggested to my older two kids was to take a gap year. My son graduated in the top 2% of his class, was ASB President, in sports, was active in the community etc and my oldest daughter graduated Valedictorian. Both are Type A and both took a gap year. Not only did they gain work experience and life experience, it gave them a chance to really think about college and what it meant. In the end they are both attending a local university. 

My middle daughter is enrolling in a technical high school in the fall and will (fingers crossed) have her cosmetology license before she graduates high school. My youngest plans to enroll in the same school in a different program. 

Your SD should also look into whether or not she needs college to get where she wants to be in 10 years. 

Momof2Girls's picture

This sadly sounds so like my SD18 except she is going to community college. She far away from her anxiety driven BM but is so co-dependent on her it’s ridiculous. She has no clue what she wants to do and has absolutely no social activities to the point it is driving me crazy.

 

how the hell do you get any freaking alone time when your depressed anxiety ball of mess SD is always around?!?

 

Grownazzwoman's picture

If the divorce decree says each bio parent must pay half after all scholarships etc., shouldn't BM be taking the loans? I'm about to embark on this issue shortly.