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My bf and I have been dating for over a year now. Everythings great! He has twin 4 year olds that adore me and I absolutley love. And thankfully, he and his ex get along great. The only time she gave us any issues was in the beginning when we first started dating. I guess she realized I was here to stay and had a freak out. She would text him and say she always thought they were going to end up together etc. But I think it was mostly just to see if she had any control over him. Through the course of the year she's tried little things here and there like texting him about a movie she saw etc. And he has always put her in her place and said if it has nothing to do with the girls, she doesn’t need to text or call. And for the most part its worked. Then around Christmas he tore a ligament in his knee and wasn’t able to get around. So I went over to his house one evening to find that she and her mother had brought over some groceries and some pots and pans (he had just moved into a new place and was stuck on the couch so they dropped the girls off along with the groceries). He said it was silly of them and irritating but just to ignore it because they were just trying to be nice. Of course I was mad and told him I don’t need another woman especially your ex, buying you groceries! But I let it go. (I try to tell myself that shes only 24 and immature and theres no need for me, 29, to bother with petty crap….maybe she’ll get the idea and stop one day?) I’ll admit that from time to time I check her messages on his phone. It may be wrong and I do trust him, but I want to make sure she isn’t crossing boundaries. Anyways, little things have popped up here and there. He’s handled them as they’ve come along (texting about anything that doesn’t involve the girls etc) Well my issue is this. He just had knee surgery so Ive been taking care of him 24/7. I told him I do NOT want her bringing the girls by unless I’m there. (this is because if I’m not there, she would have to stay and hang out since he’s immobile, plus if they do come over, I need to help care for them bc he cant walk) he agreed and said he would make sure I was there. So this morning before work, I checked his phone (I just had a feeling) and of course she texted him yesterday morning “hey can we come bring you lunch?”……he said “no, I already have lunch thanks. I’ll let you know when you can bring the girls over” Then she said “that didn’t sound nice” and he said “well it was” her reply was “ha oh ok”. Of course I became instantly ticked off. Just the fact that she thinks its perfectly ok to come over and hang out, just the 4 of them, and eat lunch while I’m at work is what realllly makes my blood boil. I would never EVER (if I had children with an ex) ask my ex if I could bring him lunch first of all, let alone come over while his gf was at work!! Isn’t that just common sense?? She lost that privilege when she cheated on him and broke up with him even after he tried to make it work. (they only dated 6 months about 2 years ago). I know I shouldn’t have gone thru his phone which brings me to my next issue. The fact that if I tell him it bothers me, he’ll accuse me of not trusting him bc I looked through his phone. But the thing is, by him only saying “I already have lunch”, that’s only telling her that if he DIDN’T have lunch that it would be ok. He needs to tell her that he doesn’t feel comfortable with the idea of her being there while Im at work. PERIOD. Just like he told her he’s not comfortable with her calling at night. But if I bring this to his attention, I get the blame for looking through his phone. SO WHAT DO I DO? Do I just let it go? I trust him completely and I know he would never allow her to come over or do anything behind my back. Also, he is a WONDERFUL boyfriend and father and treats me like a queen.....But I want her to UNDERSTAND that she cannot even attempt to cross those boundaries! There has to be RESPECT! I have gotten to the point where I want to tell her myself!! Should I have a respectful woman to woman talk?….. HELP!
PS I know we're not married and this may seem petty to you, but we have been discussing moving in together and marriage etc. So I'm asking for advice because most of you have already gone through this crap. So please do not tell me I'm being silly, petty, etc just because we're not even married yet....thanks
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on a side note: for
on a side note: for Christmas, she got both of his parents coffees mugs with pictures of HER and the girls on them (his parents thought it was silly)....its little things like this that make me feel like shes testing her limits with me....but I've kept my mouth shut so far....but everyone has their LIMITS and I'm reaching mine....
Don't take this the wrong
Don't take this the wrong way, but by checking his phone constantly, you are showing that there is a part of you that doesn't trust him. It's something I think a lot of us that are becoming, or already are, stepmothers go through. I know I had trouble trusting DH at first because I had it in my mind that if BM snapped her fingers he'd be turned into a BMbot and go running back. I hate to say this, but you HAVE to learn to trust him to make some of his own decisions. He needs to set his boundries with BM. And then you two need to sit down and talk about your comforts/discomforts with some of the things she does. Unfortunately, you will never be able to control the BM relationship. He has to make all those decisions himself, you can influence those decisions, but he is the one who mated and dated her so he is the one who has to decide how many bricks and how high of a wall.
Youre right, I know I need to
Youre right, I know I need to stop checking. Its so hard! Maybe hearing advice from people in similar situations will help because none of my friends know what to tell me anymore lol...thank you for replying!
Fading has great advice. On
Fading has great advice. On another note “I already have lunch”, to oppose to what you wished he should have said... Men are funny. They do not like getting into situations and will do anything to stay out of an argument between two women. Unfortunately he was trying to be nice about it but unfortunately we all know the BM is going to take advantage of the niceness he will eventually have to set many boundaries and you do need to discuss your comfort and discomfort. If he is a gentleman he will work with you where everything tends to level out.
It sounds like you have a great man so far.
Also I won't lie. I have also checked on my husband messages time to time when I started dating him. I think we all done it but we do have to learn if we feel we have the good one we need to trust him.
great advice, thank you :)its
great advice, thank you :)its nice to know Im not crazy for doing that lol
You cannot really change the
You cannot really change the BM's boundary-infringing behaviour - and your bf sounds as if he is handling it fairly well - being firm with her.
If you trust him completely, I think that you should stop crossing boundaries yourself by looking at his phone messages, and leave him to deal with her. I completely understand why you don't like what she is doing, and do not think it is petty, but you, personally cannot address this with her, he has to.
I think the hardest part is
I think the hardest part is the "not knowing" what is being said...this is my first relationship with children....maybe it will get easier for me as time goes by....I just read all the horror stories on here and I wonder how it will be 5 years from now....
Sadly you never can't tell
Sadly you never can't tell till you are married.
This can be a slippery slope
This can be a slippery slope and I say this from experience. when DH and I first started dating, I quickly caught on to the fact that BM#2 seemed to call/text him (what I thought) was an awful lot and normally about stupid things that did not pertain to SS13. I let it go for a bit, and then I eventually addressed the problem with DH. DH swore he wants NOTHING to do with BM, he just tries to play nice as it's easier than fighting with her. (which is true) She is one of those people who is nice as pie as long as she is getting her way, but Gawd forbid, she be told no, or if thinks that DH is being snarky with her, then all hell breaks loose and I do mean ALL HELL! Like you, I trust my DH explicitly, I KNOW that he would never get back together with BM, hell they split when SS was about 6 months old and he's now 13.. so if DH wanted to get back together with her, he could have done it many times before he and I even met.
I think you have the same problem I do, in that you can't control what BM does and honestly neither can your SO to a point. He can tell her not to call, not to text, but it doesn't mean that she will. Your SO sounds alot like my DH in that he just tries to keep the peace. Where I think the convo should have gone more like "No, I already had lunch and don't think it appropriate that you come and hang out at my house" DH would never say that because BM would take it as an attack and she would attack back and WW57 would break out and DH tries to avoid that at all costs.
The slippery slope comes into play where DH and I have gone round and round about this so many times that he now just doesn't tell me for the most part when he has a convo with BM. It irks me somewhat, because sometimes I feel like it's sneaky, but on the other hand, I am good with it....because I have found in this case, the less I know the better. All my jumping up and down, ranting and raving, crying and pouting is NOT going to stop BM from doing what she will and it just gets DH upset with me So I choose to let him handle things with her, his way and be done with it.
I guess you need to decide which way you want it... do you want to know every stupid time BM calls and what for etc. or do you want to extract her from that space in your mind that she is residing in?
thats exactly how I thought
thats exactly how I thought the convo should have gone as well! lol...but yes, I think for the most part he likes to keep the peace....I honestly feel like she thinks he's this permanent male companion that she'll have for life....I realllly hope she finds a bf.....preferrably someone with children!! lol and I hope the ex is just like her!!!
ha ha don't hold your
ha ha don't hold your breath...BM2 has never been boyfriendless.... she is one of those that must have a man to be her little bitch at all times.. but that has never stopped her from thinking that she has the right to dial up or text DH whenever she feels like it... because in her mind, she owns him because they have SS13.
well apparently she's "been
well apparently she's "been in love" twice since they broke up.....so Im sure thats exactly how her mind works...
She is completely
She is completely disrespectful and being a typical skanky bitch to try and worm her way back into his life and use the kids as pawns to do so!!! You have EVERY right to be upset and want to address these issues with your BF!!! You and your BF NEED to have an honest heart to heart and let him know how you feel and what you see this woman doing.
If he loves you; he will hear you out, respect your feelings (even IF HE DOESNT AGREE with them...that is the key) and make every effort to put a STOP to his ex trying to get back in his life via text, phone calls, showing up for lunch etc.
He NEEDS to make it CRYSTAL CLEAR to his ex that his only obligation is to his daughters NOT HER!!! She is just like a child, if he is not totally consistent with her in telling her to back off and to ignore anything not kid related then she will keep at it!!! This bs will not stop until HE makes it stop!!!
Yes, she is a grimey bitch who just wants to use her kids and the fact that he is their daddy to weasal her way back in the pic BUT HE AND ONLY HE can make this stop!!!
Stand up for yourself and tell him that this shit is not acceptable and it has nothing to do with you not trusting him...it has to do with HIM not putting her in her place!!! IF HE WAS DOING WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING then you wouldnt feel uncomfortable about her because if you knew he was handling it then you would have nothing to worry about!!!
Keep us posted!!!
You need to back away from
You need to back away from the drama. There are things you cannot control. The nicer you are, the less crap you bring up, the more he will gravitate toward you and away from her. Don't say anything about the phone, just leave it be. He is not going back with her, but the more you push him away from her, the more likely he will break things off with you, so back off. Be sweet as pie. You do not need to know what they talk about either. They now have a business/parenting relationship, keep your relationship with him all about *you two*, fun, light, sexy
I long for the good old days
I long for the good old days when texting didn't exist. So much less tension with people spying on each other anticipating people are available 24/7.
Here is a novel idea. After the 'Thanks but no thanks I have lunch." he should have ignored her texts. There was no need to text back little crappy remarks to each other. There is no law that says "You HAVE to text me back." My DD and her exBF are the opposite. She will text him regarding their daughter and he will not reply at all. Now she will add at the end "If I do not hear fROm you in 6 hrs I will assume this arrangement is OK with you."
Your BF allows this woman and her mother into HIS home. Not your home. HIS home. The pots and pans ... well a little presumptive but maybe they had extras and better to pass them on to someone who can use them. If they bought them for him... OK this is a territory thing. She is showing you that you will have to deal with her for some time. And it doesn't matter HOW much you love her kids they will always be hers and not yours.
Checking his phone means you do not trust him and want control. Everytime you check his phone you should tell him. "Honey, just checking your messages." Now say that out lousd to yourself. And now imagine it is him saying ti to you? how would you feel?
There are 2 rules to live by .... both sorta related... We allow people to treat us the way we want to be treated and treat others as we would want to be treated ourselves. The whole 'do unto others...' Your distrust is something you need to live with and get over. Yes they had sex and have twins. Nothing you can do can erradicate that. It is part of history.
I would discuss boundaries and not get so snotty about him having guests over. Do you really think she will jump him with her mother there to watch the kids while he is recovering from knee surgery and he will realise SHE is the one all along? Once you work out boundaries and he seems to be OK with his present situation then you can move one with your lives. Right now I would not move in because this will become a big pissing match and your relationship will suffer and ultimately BM will win by driving you form his life with your jealousy and distrust.
I think Im just going to have
I think Im just going to have to learn to ignore.....Im learning a LOT of self control and patience in this relationship....slowly but surely....I'll get there eventually...
I have no problem with either
I have no problem with either of them coming over to pick up or drop the girls off. Its not a jealousy thing AT ALL. There needs to be boundaries and a mutual respect between her and I. It is NOT ok (and I'm sure most ppl would agree) for her to come over alone with the girls and hang out alone or bring MY boyfriend lunch! They are not "buddies" or "close" friends. They are co-parents! PERIOD. Yes it is HIS apt. but there is absolutely no need for her to stay and hang out. They went to the store and bought the pots and pans for him as a gift. I dont want control, I just want her to respect our relationship. Maybe thats far fetched, but if I show her respect after EVERYTHING that she's pulled then how is it ok for her to keep pushing me while I keep my mouth shut? It really pisses me of that you would say I'm jealous....distrustful of her yes, but not him. I'm also not trying and will never try to replace her. I'm not a catty woman and I could care less that they had sex once. I dont even know why you would mention that.
I agree 110% with this ^^^^^
I agree 110% with this ^^^^^
This comment was directed to
This comment was directed to "oneoffour"....not to everyone
He is your BF. You do not
He is your BF. You do not live with him yet. So where do you get off dictating who can and can't visit him in his home? Can he dictate who can visit you?
I understand she needs to respect your boundaries and your relationship. But right now you are 'just the girlfriend' and that is how she sees it. She shares more with him right now than you. Sad but true. When I was living with DH his ex made it VERY clear I was not the boys mother and I did not have any say as to what they ate in DHs home. It was up to DH to tell her we are a couple and she can butt out. And he made it clear in an email to her when she fired off some crap to him that this is OUR house and she will not affect how our home is run. We are not breaking any rules and if she has real issues she needs to address them through her lawyer.
And so your BF needs to make it clear that dropping over is not acceptable and over-textng is not acceptable. If she says "I have lunch for the girls and I and have extra, We will call by." HE needs to say "No. It is not convenient." And not answer any more texts. When she rings the doorbell with the girls in tow he does not answer the door. She WILL use the girls to get his attention or manipulate him. He needs to stand up to her and say "No means no." Or he can invite them in and go on and on about how wonderful you are and talk about nothing else. Ultimately he has control over this behaviour and how she gains entry into his or your lives. Not you.
And what do you call constantly checking your BFs text messages? Nosey? Jealousy? Distrust? Because I would NEVER check my DHs phone without his permission and I am married to him. If he is driving and he gets a call or a text I ask "Wnat me to check it?" NAd whatever he says. goes. Unless you both share the same plan and you pay for it. It is called invasion of privacy. He doesn't give you permission but you look anyway. How does he feel about you checking his phone all the time? If he doesn't mind then carry on checking. Why worry about it if he doesn't?
sadly, youre absolutely
sadly, youre absolutely right....Im silly for thinking she will ever be ok with our relationship enough to be respectful...I know he sees what she's doing....I joked about this year, making coffee mugs for her and her mother with mine and his picture on it...lol he thought that was hilarious....I do want him to see me as easy going and her as the dramatic one...so I guess I just need to ignore the petty crap....even though the woman in me wants to slap the sh*t out of her lol......thx for the advice
haha...I know, I've read
haha...I know, I've read forums that would say "get out while you can, are you crazy?"....or "if youre under 35 and have no kids, do NOT date a man with children"......its scary....but love blinds us....I hope I dont kick myself in the ass 10 years from now for staying
The reason BM gets to play
The reason BM gets to play dirty and be a snot-headed ass-muffin is because she can. She already has an at least 18 year attachment to your BF. You on the other hand do not. To her, you are like the sponge in the sink she's been waiting to throw out. But by playing nicey-nice, keeping your mouth shut (to her and the twins), you are seeming to be the most patient person in the world! Voice your 'opinions', feelings and concerns to your BF (but don't use anything accusatory and don't beat down BM to him, it will only anger or annoy him, that's what STEPTALK is for Trust me, I don't think it is ok for the two to be together alone (even if the twins are there) either. But like I said before, he is the one that needs to establish that boundry and he needs to be firm with it. It might take him a while to lay down ground rules. Hell, I think some of these ladies would agree it could take YEARS for him to learn how to lay ground rules with BM OR his kids. If you honestly feel you can be in it for the long haul, you are in for a lot of keeping your mouth shut to BM and trying to be Princess Pleasant. Fighting with BM gets you no where and if she is truly evil and vindictive, she may use your fighting as an excuse to withhold his kids from him. And don't fret, there will come a time when the word vomit comes spewing out and you can't stop it (if you read my blogs, I think I have a conversation disorder, I'm starting to have word vomit too frequently with DH). All us ladies (and gents!) have been through the 'step-atizing' or are about to go through it. As a collective, I think we can offer plenty of support!
thank you!....I'm sure my
thank you!....I'm sure my friends are sick of me venting to them about stuff they dont understand...and to give him the benefit of the doubt, I am the FIRST real relationship he's had since he had the girls....so its kind of a new thing for both of us....I'm the first woman he's dated to even MEET the twins.....I guess being the first comes with its road bumps as well....
and this is just a vent, but
and this is just a vent, but last night she sent him a picture of a suitcase with neatly folded pajamas, folded blankets, dolls and a toothbrush...the message says "the girls miss you and want to come see you, its so cute and sad"......maybe it was innocent, but I doubt a 4 year old folded all her stuff like that.....I think it was probably sent bc that morning I had his phone while he was in surgery and she text him "good luck with your surgery today, let me know when we can come see you" (which didnt bother me) so I replied a few hours later (completely innocently and trying to be nice) "his surgery went well, just waiting for him to wake up now".....and her reply was "thanks"....(by the way, I told him I texted her and he was totally cool with it).....if feels great to let this out!!!!! lol....
I remember those days except
I remember those days except DH's ex was a little bit more honest about her feelings and nuts. She would text him about how she wanted to get back together and how she still loved him, stalked him for the first year of our relationship. It always used to piss me off when DH would respond to this texts with an answer that I thought was not blatant enough like I'm in a relationship now so you need to move on. He didn't want to upset the beast and throught that she was sane enough to get the clue. He learned that he was wrong on both fronts.
Things finally got so out of hand with her that he had to set appropriate boundaries which was basically going to non contact unless it an emergency. All other kid related stuff is be relayed via email. Things have gotten progessivly better other than the fact that anything is an emergency now and once she hears his voice she needs to talk to him everyday. Other than that he has gotten really good at setting boundaries in place and then maintaining them.
We fought a lot about him not doing what I thought was right and it did no good. I was upset that he was letting her disrespect me and did nothing about it and he being a typical guy just didn't want to deal with the drama. It took him realizing that he needed to set the boundaries before anything happened.
I think that you should take the approach of talking with your BF about what makes you uncomfortable and why it makes you feel that way and then back off. Let him figure it out for himself. It sounds like he's already light years a head of mine at that stage in our relationship. On a side note, you do have every right to be upset. You, I, and everybody that has half a brain knows what she's up to and it's completely normal to want to protect what's yours.
Just an FYI,
Even if she does get married that doesn't mean that she's going to stop this behavior. F!cktard got married last April and she's still doing crap like sending DH a card in the mail stating that if he needs anything to just let her know after his grandfather passed away. I wanted to call her a$$ up and tell her that if DH needs anything he'll be coming to me, his wife. Needless to say that card went straight into the trash when I got home from work. Even though she's married, she still can't let go.
And if you would like to know exactly what I went through with this lady let me know and I'll tell you the full story. DH never thought that it was going to get that out of hand and you can maybe pawn my story off to your BF as something that a friend told you about another one of their friends just so he can see why appropriate boundaries are necessary with women with no morales.
I know exactly where your
I know exactly where your coming from, sometimes I wish bm would just explode. Your lucky though at least your not dealing with a heroin addict with multiple personality disorders (she's a whole bag of crazy). If you ever need to vent feel free to message me I've have a lot of experience dealing with crazy, jealous, obsessive, obnoxious, lazy, spoiled you name it she's it lol. Good luck though hun hang in there!
Thank you ...sometimes I just
Thank you :)...sometimes I just wonder to myself if I should walk away from it all....get out while I can....its makes me sick to my stomach...it would be easier if he wasnt so great :/
well in my situation, we're
well in my situation, we're not married nor do we have kids....Im just the "gf".... I feel like if any woman tried to talk to my man or hang out behind my back, that I should be able to voice my opinion or at least tell her to fk off....and JUST bc he has kids with her, I cant say anything? and if I do he might get annoyed eventually and leave me...its like i have to please everyone...wtf about me?! lol sorry, Ive just been thinking about all of this the entire day and Ive made my self upset : /
If he loves you he'll stay
If he loves you he'll stay but you need to be able to tolerate the bs from her which is extremely difficult I know. I've learned to keep my chin up and work 3 times as hard as she ever did as a mother granted I get nothing from the kids but I do get the personal satisfaction of knowing I'm better than her.