SS told BM he's "sick of her Sh*t"
SS17 called DH last night. He's back at BM's mom's house because him & BM "got into it" again.
DH talked to BM on the phone last week for the first time in 2 years. He explained that he'd been laid off his job & was starting a new one. His former employer had been taking the CS out of his paycheck each week & forwarding a check for that to BM. DH explained that she would be receiving payments directly from us from now on. She was pissed because she doesn't have a bank account, so she can't cash personal checks. DH said he didn't know what to tell her. He isn't spending $3 extra every week to buy a money order that she's going to have to pay $3 to cash every week...she'd have to open an account somewhere or find another way to make it work. She insists that all of the banks require $100 to open an account. I know, from the court website, that she has an outstanding bank account & told DH that she probably can't open a checking account, but she should still be able to open a savings account so she can cash her checks. Whatever. She wants to be an idiot, let her figure it out.
She also mentioned that despite what DH had been told by her, her mother, & SS, both kids have been homeschooled for the last 2 years. We knew SD was, but had been told & lied to when asking questions that SS was still going to school. DH told SS last night, that BM had told him about the homeschooling. SS told DH that BM said not to say anything because DH would be disappointed in SS. DH made it clear that he was not disappointed in the fact that he was being homeschooled, but felt hurt & was disappointed by the fact that he outright lied to DH about it.
SS asked DH if he could come stay with us this summer. DH asked if everything was okay & SS started talking to him about the arguments him & BM have been having. She keeps telling him that DH doesn't care about them & that he's moved on & forgotten about them. He talked to her about spending the summer with us & she wanted to know who put those stupid ideas in his head. He told her it was something he's really thought about & wants to do & she told him "Your dad doesn't want you. You know that." He yelled at her & told her he's "sick of her shit". He told DH "I know she's my mom & I shouldn't talk to her that way, but I know what she does. I know that she lies to us all the time. She lies to everyone all the time, & I'm sick of it". That was the first time DH didn't scold him for disrespecting her. After they got off the phone he asked me if I thought he should have. I guess my feeling is that for all the years DH has taken up for her despite all the crap she's said & done...to ALL of them/us, if she isn't willing to demand that respect herself & she wants to keep doling out the insults & lies, she needs to learn to expect what she puts out in return. SS is nearly an adult & she has lied to him for years. She's going to have to deal with the results of her actions.
DH has been trying to help SS get his car together (the one BM gave him for his 16th birthday that doesn't run). DH put a new serpentine belt & waterpump on it. It still needs an alternator, a windshield, brakes & possibly a new battery. DH suggested that the next time they get together they could go to a few junkyards to see about getting an alternator. SS said that BM had told him DH told her he wasn't going to help him with the car anymore. That was just one more lie that pissed him off.
I'm thankful he's reached a point of recognizing the alienation, the lies, the manipulation & now I'm more thankful that he's reaching a point where he can acknowledge it & talk to DH about it without caring about the guilt from BM.
After their conversation last night, though, I am angry & hurting for him & SD both, for what they have endured to this point & for the years they have yet to endure in trying to figure all of this out & trying to decide what is worth trying to process & understand & make sense out of. I think all of us here realize (or are learning to realize) that so often there is no sense to be made of what some of these BM's say & do, & to try to make sense of it all will get you nowhere fast. SS will have to learn, as many of us have, that it can't all make sense & that at some point he'll have to decide what's important to figure out & what can't be figured out & find a way to move forward, yet leave all the nonsense behind.
He said that SD wants to come visit. He said she asks him a lot of questions about his visits/conversations with DH & me, & seems to really be eager to part of things. He did also say, though, that she still struggles with being separated from BM, which is an issue that stems back to BM walking away from her at 2 years old, & was compounded when BM told them she was terminal with cancer. According to her claim, she should've been dead around Christmas of 2004, I believe.
DH told SS that there are stipulations to him living with us. He'll be expected to get a PT job so he can cover his car insurance & keep gas in his vehicle. He made it clear that the rules & expectations that existed when he was in our home before still exist, & being SS still has his senior year of HS to complete, if he's enrolled in BM's school district for his senior year, that's where he'll live. If he wants to continue to live in our home, he'll be enrolled in our district, & he'll be expected to attend school every day. Education is one thing that DH doesn't let up on. It's something you MUST have in order to make it in the real world. He also let him know that our home will not be used as blackmail device to get his way with BM. He's angry with her so he wants to live with us. If he gets angry with DH & decides to go back to her, he won't have the option to come back to stay with us again.
It's been years of bullshit, & he FINALLY told her he's had enough.
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Ok.. first she lied about
:jawdrop:
Ok.. first she lied about DH's kids being homeschooled.. then she lied to her kids about having CANCER!?!?! She is certifiable!!
She lied to her kids about
She lied to her kids about cancer so they'd want to be with her...yes.
They have spent the last 6 years by her side caring for her in her "ill" condition as it suits her. When they are acting as her loyal companions she starts feeling better & when their attention begins diverting to DH or themselves, she gets "sick" again.
7 years ago the story was that she was terminal with stage 4 Hodgkins Lymphoma & had 8 months to live. Her & the kids begged DH to let them live with her so she could have another chance to be a mother to her children & they could have the opportunity to know their mother before she died. He enrolled them in her school district & closed their CS case because enforcement was ready to put her in jail for arrears. He closed the case to keep her out of jail so she could spend her last 8 months of her life with her children.
A year later she took him for CS & to have the order redone to legally assign her as the custodial parent. Over time, she ended up alienating them from him completely.
She's a true piece of work. :sick:
I think the guilt I feel
I think the guilt I feel comes from feeling elated & excited about something that is causing the kids to feel so hurt & angry.
I know that feeling & expressing those feelings is going to be a huge part of their progression & healing. We have waited & hoped for this point for so long, but I hate that they are having to feel the anger & frustration & hurt over something that's such a relief for us.
I was stunned by what BM said about DH too. That was the part of the entire conversation that I got stuck on. DH didn't raise his voice at all during the conversation. He didn't get defensive through any of it. He didn't argue any of what was said. He did say he came close to losing it several times, & wanted to let loose on BM, but realized that was not the time or the place to share his thoughts pertaining to her.
DH said that if SS is with us over the summer, he's going to court to alter CS. SS will be 18 in July & the only reason we figured we'd pay through his senior year was to help while he's finishing HS. He said he'll pay what he's ordered on SD & give SS the portion that would've gone to him each week. That way, he'll have some spending money for clothes or whatever.
They didn't really talk a lot
They didn't really talk a lot about the homeschooling last night, aside from DH letting SS know that he was aware it had been going on for 2 years. I know when DH asked about SD's schooling, SS told him a teacher was coming each week & going through lessons & giving assignments. I don't know if that's accurate or not.
My sister homeschooled her kids & that's not how she did it.
However they've been doing it, something failed, because SD should be going into 9th grade in public school this fall & she's going into 8th.
SS said that with SD being sick (something they diagnosed as ADEM) & having to take trips back & forth to UVA for tests, etc, & BM's illnesses (whatever she claimed on any given day) she was too tired to try to keep up with getting them to & from public school. I was under the impression that that's what buses were for. That's what they were used for when I was in school anyway. :?
I know they're supposed to be testing with the district to make sure they're keeping up (which they obviously weren't).
If I were to guess proper homeschooling, to BM, is likely having the kids write stories about how DH abused them & why they feel he's a piece of shit. Then, she would grade them. The more gore & hate, the better the grade.
SS telling his dad that he
SS telling his dad that he sees through his mothers lies is the first very important step.
DH has 4 kids, and his eldest (22) has done it. One couldnt care less, but the two youngest are
so confused by their mothers lies they donĀ“t know what to believe.
Amidst all the crap you have to take this was a glimpse of sunshine
Storm, Thank you so much.
Storm, Thank you so much. Reading this gives hope to those of us who struggle everyday wondering if it is possible for these kids to see thru the BS.
I also think it's great that your Husband laid down the law regarding school and a job. He's not a Disneyland Dad.
I feel I know the struggles you and your husband have encountered. I'm sitting here at work with tears of happiness for you guys........
Thanks again
Thank you! I will never
Thank you!
I will never forget the hopelessness, darkness, sadness & despair that DH & I have felt throughout this process. I remember reading other people's success stories with alienation when I joined ST & thinking, "We are too far gone for the kids to ever be able to figure this out" & "BM has influenced them for so long, we'll never be able to get close enough to them to fix the damage that's been done".
I know we have a long road ahead of us, but at least we are finally on that road.
DH is a no-nonsense kind of father. He is clear about his expectations & is a firm believer that it's the parent's place to call the shots, & the child's place to fall in line. I'm thankful he has been able to maintain that through all of this.