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SD15 has become intrusive...almost romantic with my husband

TwoOfUs's picture

First time here...though I've read others' posts in the past. I'll try to keep this concise.

I have three skids SD18 (19 this month), SS17, SD15. The oldest SD has always been a monster...like, seriously disturbed. I don't know what she's like now as she quit coming for visitation as soon as she turned 18...going on almost a year without her coming over. It broke my husband's heart at first, but I felt nothing but joy and relief. I was tired of trying and tired of walking on eggshells in my own home. When she was here, she was like a little dark rain cloud...cruel to her siblings for no reason, sarcastic, rude, mean to her dad, mumbling all the time. She was actually polite to me...but only really spoke to me if I initiated conversation and even then she didn't offer much. It was exhausting, as I'm sure many of you know. In all of this, I am very proud of my behavior toward her. I was always kind, always upbeat...almost never snapped. I invited her to do things with me and the other two. She almost always turned me down, but I kept asking because DH was worried she'd feel "left out." I love to cook, and I made sure to cook their favorites. There was only one time I was even remotely short with her...it was after a long week in Hawaii...which she ruined at every turn with her attitude and complaints about being there. We were at Target to get some snacks for the plane before flying back and she just stood there in the aisle pointing at a bag of gummy bears and saying "Gummies. Gummies. Gummies" over and over. I very curtly told her to "ask like a grown up" and walked off. It made her cry...I felt terrible. But keep in mind that she was going on 16 when this happened. I have a 4-year-old niece who points and says "Candy!" or "Drink!" I don't snap at her but I do make her use complete sentences and say please before I'll give her anything. Anyway...last straw for me with oldest SD was when youngest SD got cancer at age 13. It ended up being a minor cancer that was basically benign. It was cancer but the lowest-grade, least aggressive form and just one highly distinct tumor near the skin. They were able to cut it out with no chemo and she's been Cancer-free for two years this month. Still...for about a month and a half we were all terrified. Didn't know what was going to happen...were preparing for at least a year of chemo, which was the oncology team's initial recommendation. Through all of it oldest SD was horrific. Started cutting herself. Refused to hug youngest SD when she came out of surgery...youngest SD asked 3 times and she just stood there shaking her head. I think that's when I gave up on her, officially.

I could go on and on. For some reason, oldest SD has always been the protected child...by both BM and my DH. He feels extreme guilt about her. Often says that he abandoned her. Keep in mind that we, on purpose, live about five minutes from the kids. We've given them cars...they're mobile. They can come see us as often as they want...and the younger two do drop by fairly often in addition to their visitation. Oldest SD started making it clear very early on that she didn't want to be at our house. I think it's because we had rules and expectations while BM acts like a maidservant to her kids. When we first married, for example, BM would show up several times each weekend to bring the kids things they'd forgotten...until I put a stop to it. I think teenagers should be able to pack without forgetting five things...and should be able to go a weekend without their mom. But these kids have always been coddled...especially oldest SD. BM says that she just has anxiety and "likes things a certain way." I'm thinking...yeah...we all like to have things our way. It's called being narcissistic and selfish.

So...flash-forward to now and to my real question. We're going on a year without oldest SD coming over, and it's been wonderful. In fact, once she quit coming over, she did start reaching out to her dad after about 6 months of almost no contact. They'll go to lunch or to a show sometimes. He's quit paying CS for her but helps her directly with college expenses. I feel like we've mercifully transitioned into a relationship that works for everyone...and I'm happy for the two of them to have a more grown-up relationship together, even if I'm not a part of it. I was beginning to think we will finally have some peace and harmony...but then...

Youngest SD (15) has started to feel incredibly intrusive. She calls her dad BAE (teen slang for your boyfriend or "bestie" from what I understand). She is completely clingy when she's here...often curling up next to him on the couch...walking with him when we go out or to a movie. I'm starting to feel like a third wheel here. Worst of all...she texts him constantly. Like...dozens of texts a day. This week...on Monday we went out for a date night, which we try to do after a kid weekend, and he was texting SD15 the whole time. Then, this morning we were cuddling in bed...he leaves for a week today...and he started getting texts from her at 6:30 AM. It's like she knew somehow. I'm frustrated because I've always had a great relationship with SD15...but this is really starting to bother me. I haven't said anything...what would you do? I included the above so you could understand that oldest SD's behavior might have contributed to this...is youngest trying to compensate for oldest's rejection? But it's gotten to a weird level. I was incredibly close to my dad...but not like this.

HELP!

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TwoOfUs's picture

Thanks everyone for letting me know I'm not crazy.

I think I'm reluctant to speak up because we had such a rough four years with oldest SD before she quit coming over...this feels minor in comparison. But I'm starting to dislike my youngest SD now...where before she was a breath of fresh air and I really enjoyed hanging out with her. I'm dreading her coming over now. Also...I pay for all cell phones, so I kind of feel like I'm paying for this intrusion! Maybe I also feel betrayed. She texts me, too, but not very often and it's usually to ask for something these days. I hate feeling this way...feel petty and jealous.

Any thoughts on the Cancer? I feel like youngest SD has reverted and become more child-like since the Cancer scare...which ironically manifests in her wanting to "play grown-up" all the time. She makes dumb jokes about smoking and drinking and has become a bit of an adrenaline-junkie (roller coasters, fast cars, scary movies, etc.) in the past year. She's also dating a lot...flavor of the month style where before she had no interest.

I know a lot of this is part of growing up, but she seems to be doing these things in the most cloying, baby-ish way. Any chance this is acting out after a "brush with death"

TwoOfUs's picture

Yeah. I think I've effectively disengaged from oldest SD. Once she quit coming over for visitation, I made no effort to reach out to her. Once or twice I encouraged her to establish a more grown-up relationship with her dad, which she has done. I honestly feel no hurt or concern that they have a relationship that I'm not a part of, because I never got close to her despite four years of trying.

It's going to be harder with SD15. She was 8 when I started dating her dad, and we clicked immediately. I've thrown parties for her...taken her out...cooked with her. In contrast to oldest SD, she was always thrilled to be at our house and wanted to spend time with me. Now it feels like I'm a source of $$$ to her and not much else...while she's sending cute messages to my husband all day long, even from school, where she's not supposed to be texting.

TwoOfUs's picture

Yeah...I feel like youngest SD gravitated toward me because 1.) oldest SD was sucking up all her parents' attention, worry, etc. with her controlling behavior and, 2.) BM isn't very feminine and I am...like to shop, dress nicely, get a good haircut. I mean, I shop at thrift stores a lot and definitely live within my means, but I use makeup...care about my appearance and grooming. I often felt like a big sister or a cool aunt to my youngest SD.

But youngest SD has become horribly materialistic, and now it just feels like I'm used as a resource...now that she has some parental focus again...it hurts...

TwoOfUs's picture

Hmmm. She hasn't seemed to fixate on the Cancer at all...that's a theory I've come up with but haven't floated to DH yet. DH, BM, and I have all noticed the babyish trying to act mature thing and have concerns about it.

As far as the other behavior, DH doesn't seem to notice. He doesn't encourage it as far as I can tell...he's nothing but fatherly with his kids. Even when coddling oldest SD due to her "anxiety" he still established boundaries and never tried to act like her friend.

Honestly, the in-person stuff isn't all the time. It's only been a couple of times where it felt weird to me...the BAE thing, for example, felt strange. But is that just more of her trying to be "grown-up" and a peer with her dad like the smoking and drinking jokes? I tend to think it is...and maybe that's how I'll approach it. Not...yuck your daughter shouldn't be calling you BAE...but...hey, it's not appropriate for your kids to talk to you like you're a friend / peer. But it's really the texting that drives me crazy. I feel like if I express concerns over her texting him so much it will just come across as petty. Maybe I'll express concerns over her texting while at school...make it less personal that way?

ScrewUboozilla's picture

Be ready he will say I need to be available if it's an emergency!

Have a plan for that.. Such as call and voice mail. Not 100 texts.

Been there done that, what you are going through... It got better when she got her own boy toy to practice on. She is 16 now. My neighbor observed her behavior and said I had every right to feel weird about what is going on.. Your husband has a girlfriend!

Willow2010's picture

UGH…I know all of this stuff is annoying. BUUUT…I also feel it is normal. (I do not feel she is practice dating on your DH though….eeewwww) I just think it is normal for some girls to want to be a daddys girl. And you are territorial over your DH. I do understand it but it is his DD. Not his lover. Pet names are not unheard of. And here “Bea” is a term for a buddy. Try to let the petty issues go.

EXCEPT for him texting her during date night. That is on him…he had no business texting her through out your whole date! That was rude on him, not her. Tell him next time that while you know he likes talking to his DD it is not appropriate to do it when you are having date night or intimate moments.

SourGrapes's picture

The behavior the OP described would bother me too. It's not appropriate for a teenage girl to call her dad romantic nicknames and to be climbing on him like a toddler. At 15, even though she might still emotionally be a child, she's probably physically mature. My father would have been horrified if I tried to curl up on him at that age.

As others have already said, your husband needs to put a stop to it. I know that it's probably a tough subject to discuss with him because it's his child, but even parents and children need healthy boundaries.

MagdelenaFG's picture

I notice this happening a lot when there is a stepmom on the scene. I suspect the normal crush-on-dad/practicing-having-a-boyfriend/learning-how-to-use-sexual-poewr stuff can get heightened when there is a stepmom in the picture. I've seen it happen at our house, too. I get what you're saying about it being one thing to be close to your Dad, but how it can get to a weird level. I think, when a stepmom is in the picture, some girls not only "practice having a boyfriend," they practice how to run off another woman and/or practice how to use their sexual power against another woman. To me, this seems like a very immature, unhealthy place for things to go. So, some training seemed necessary to save that little girl from her worst self.

I acted quickly and directly, treating the situation the same way I would if any other young adult (or old adult) woman was trying to seduce my husband. When I caught SD18 hanging around in the kitchen in nothing but a towel, post-shower, talking to Dad, I ordered her to go put clothes on immediately. When I found her in my bed next to him (I had gone for a cup of coffee, came back to find her in my spot), I broke it up. Every time, I explained to DH what those behaviors mean between women and told him, in detail, what I expected him to do next time. (If she gets in the bed, you get out. If she comes in with no clothes on, you tell her to go put clothes on before you will talk to her.) Fairly quickly, the overt behaviors stopped.

I still have some trouble going on with DH texting his daughters during our dates, etc. Again, I treat it like I would if he was texting anyone else during our date time. Except in the event of an acute emergency, it's rude to be texting when you're out with someone. Set boundaries with him in a way that causes him to set boundaries with her so you don't have to be frustrated with anyone. It's the loving thing to do for both of them.

Good luck!

TwoOfUs's picture

Yikes. Thankfully there's been nothing that overt. Towels and what-not. Just mushy, gushy talk...her acting too cutesy around him. And the texting. Gah!!!!!

Stepmom09's picture

Umm because I have young non-married friends that go out I heard bae means before anyone else. But yeah that is creepy and weird.