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Theme here today seems to be about money.... let me rant one more time.

SteppingUp's picture

I know it could always be worse. Believe me, I know. Just let me vent....sometimes I seriously wonder what normal, middle-class people with kids (and skids) are supposed to do. We don't qualify for any assistance because we are a whopping $100 dollars/month over the eligibility cap for food stamps or WIC.

After figuring bills out for after the baby comes, and after I go back to work, we'll only have about $75 left a month to spend on gas and groceries. Wow.

We both work full-time jobs and my fiance puts in at least 15 hours of overtime a week. I have a degree, however I haven't been able to find a job in my degree since I relocated to live with my fiance (2.5 years ago).

The really sad part is, I'm actually half-hoping that my current job will be cut. I'd be able to collect unemployment and get state health insurance for my child, and I wouldn't have to pay for day care costs. We'd have somewhere over $1,000 staying in our household to use for expenses and bills. Hmmm.....$75 or $1,000? Which would you choose? I'm not at all a schmoozer but this makes me really want to be.

It really amazes me and now I totally understand how some people simply live off the state...our government makes it easier to do that than to work our asses off for crappy pay and crappy health benefits, just to barely make it at the end of the month.

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SteppingUp's picture

I have a teaching degree. So yes, I could go back for my masters and such but it's almost pointless to do that because a lot of schools help pay for those credits if you are working for them.

SteppingUp's picture

I agree - in some areas it's a scary time to be a teacher, that's for sure. However, where I live it's growing more and more every year and they're opening up schools. The bad thing for me is that there's very little turnover in the nearby districts, which means that teachers actually like their jobs and stay, so if I can at least get IN I should be ok.

Rags's picture

It is sad that many teachers with ed degrees don't stay in education and then have difficulty making a successful transition to other industries. That is why when my SIL wanted to get an ed degree while living with us (we paid her tuition) we insisted on her pursuing BS in Management then she could take the extra hours to get her teaching cert.

If she had done as we suggested and as we were willing to pay for she would have had a BSMgt and her teaching cert in Texas with ZERO school debt more than a year ago.

But, we were stupid and she knew best so she left to go home to her BF after a year to an unwed pregnancy, $60K in school debt, getting booted from the ed program for poor grades and at best a degree in Social Sciences.... maybe. So, not only is her dream of being a teacher blown all to hell permanently but her degree, if she ever graduates, is nearly worthless and she will never earn a decent living much less ever pay back her school debt.

I believe that the way to go as far as degrees are concerned is a BS in something broadly marketable with a Masters in a specialty. eg. a BSBA with an MA in ed. That way if the dream fades there is a skillset and degree that will facilitate a change in industry.

I did it slightly backwards. BSEE with an MBA which my research showed was a very marketable combination.

So far, the research has held true for my career.

Unfortunately in the US we send our kids off to college to discover themselves and find their passion and not to complete a degree that is applicable to a viable job market. In the UK and many developed countries the kids take exams prior to HS graduation and those exams dictate where they go, what they study or if they go in to a trade or craft training program. When I was in the restaurant business I had many people on my wait staff that held multiple undergrad and in some cases graduate degrees that qualified them to do absolutely nothing. They were great waiters, great friends, incredible conversationalists and philosophers but they could not get a professional job. It was very sad and in large part is why I changed my major to engineering. I had been on an 8yr cycle of changing my major to the latest elective that I took that I liked. So, when I finally locked in on engineering I had 98hrs across 6 or so different majors. The closest I was to graduating was with a BA in Business Administration/Economics which qualified me to "when you graduate we will make you a teller and in two years train you to be a loan officer". I had been running a $1Mil+ restaurant business for more than 5yrs and was not interested in starting at the bottom in new industry so I finally listened to dad and got a degree in eng. 11yrs after he first gave me that advice.

Engineering was never a passion for me but the analytical skills I developed in engineering school I enjoyed learning and have worked well for me in many industries. I got an engineering degree because it gave me access to the companies I was interested in working for. This drove my wire headed college friends absolutely crazy but it is interesting how many of them ended up on a very similar career path to mine.

It works.

Good luck getting a teaching position. It is sad to me that there are many teachers still teaching that hate it after decades and many passionate and dynamic teachers are left out in the cold.

Best regards,

SteppingUp's picture

"It is sad to me that there are many teachers still teaching that hate it after decades and many passionate and dynamic teachers are left out in the cold." -- Any teacher (who is not the first type) will second that whole-heartedly. The state of Michigan actually enacted a sort of forced retirement on teachers across the state...five of my friends who had degrees but had been waiting for 5 or more years got teaching jobs in the snap of a finger once that went through.

In my situation, I did have a teaching job in another state when I met my fiance. Then we of course fell in love...and he would have moved to me had it not been for SS3. The thought was that it would take me a year tops to get another job in teaching once I relocated...and now I'm still waiting. And you can't really get a foot in the door without subbing, which you can't do if you also need a full-time job. However, a new high school opens up next fall in the area so my fingers are crossed! Until then, financially we're totally in trouble. And if I DON'T get a teaching job in the fall, I just don't know what to do. Probably more school (for something different) which will add more to my student loans. *sigh*

RaeRae's picture

Take the $1000 and be a mom for a little while. You can always be looking for a job within your field in the meanwhile. Also, state health insurance income guidelines are different than food stamp and wic guidelines. You may still qualify for your children.

SteppingUp's picture

If I were laid off I sure would. But I can't voluntarily quit my job and collect unemployment, so that's completely a moot point anyway... I was just using that for an example IF I were laid off or cut.

Rags's picture

Years ago I made this suggestion to my wife in regards to her family who were in properties worth far less than they owed. Not a good idea to talk voluntary and unnecessary foreclosure with a CPA. For some reason my wife considered that to be unethical and fraudulent. :? Biggrin

But, if I were in situation where I owed far more on my home than it would ever be worth, I would walk away from the house and let Obama cover my debt to the bank then go get more Obama bucks to guy another house.

Fortunately, we have always been very conservative in our house purchases and have never been upside down. We shop for months, look at countless listings so that when we find the right house at the right price in the right location we can move quickly. We have never purchased a home at more than ~1/3 of what we were qualified to borrow. So far that has resulted in us living in increasingly nicer homes and neighborhoods, making a little money each time we have sold (not more than %30% more than we paid), and allowed us to sell fairly quickly even in down markets. We have never made a killing on a house but we have also never lost money.

We sold our last house in 2008 to a family that really could not afford it. They used an FHA zero down loan and paid us more than asking which we then turned around and gave them for their down payment and closing costs. 9mos later they were foreclosed. It was very sad. The couple that purchased the house out of HUD auction called us to ask us what was wrong with the house. Nothing was wrong with the house. They bought it for $30K less than we paid for it when we had it built and $60K less than we sold it for.

For people who have managed their debt and credit wisely there are some screaming deals out there. IMHO this will continue for 3-5 more years since the foreclosures are just now starting to show up at the high level that is predicted will be the case for many years to come.

My ILs lost their farm to foreclosure due to multiple mortgages and my BIL1 lost his home to foreclosure. He and his wife only qualified with high risk programs that were designed to deliver the American dream of home ownership even to people who have no business owning a home.

My SIL and her DH purchased a home on a low income qualifying program and took the $8K in Obama bucks to pay off some of their consumer debt. She just called my wife last night to complain that her auto loan company was charging her 30% interest because of her low credit score and to ask my wife if they could do that. Um .... SHE SIGNED THE PAPERS of course they can do that. Idiot.

It is only a matter of time before SIL’s house joins the millions already in foreclosure.

If someone is truly and comfortably qualified to own a home they should be able to buy one. However, lowering the reasonable qualifications for a loan is in large part responsible for our current economic situation. IMHO.

We rented for 5yrs in PA and DE and only purchased again when we relo'd back to TX because it was cheaper to buy than rent here.

I have no problem with renting or with buying depending on the situation. As you stated, it really is a business and financial decision.

When I think things are beginning to turn for a long upturn in the housing market, I will take advantage of the foreclosure market to pick up some deals and either flip them or lease them.

I have no problem taking advantage of the financial mismanagement of the banks or other people.

Evil? }:) Maybe, but this is capitalism 101.

Best regards,

stepmom31's picture

DH did this when he divorced.

BM had refused to work at that point, and had convinced him to cash in his entire 401K for downpayment on a very nice 5 BR house, even though they were almost finished paying for the decent 3 Br they lived in. House value plummeted, and the mortgage was way more than it was worth.

If he kept the house, BM & kids would most likely have been living in it, and he would have been stuck with the full payments and no place to live, plus CS to pay. So he walked away. His credit took a serious hit. He had to start over with a $300 secured Credit Card. The only thing that's kept his credit alive is making his car payments. But our discussions with a real estate agent have confirmed that, due to soooo many foreclosures, DH will be able to buy another house 3 yrs after the foreclosure date, as long as he does what's necessary to keep his credit rating good - pay bills on time, minimize use of credit, pay off loans. And we're hoping that the housing market still has low prices at that time. For the moment, we're soon to be 4 in a 2-br apartment (6 on the weekends), but I certainly think it's one of the best financial decisions DH ever made.

stepmom31's picture

This really had me thinking, and made me do some research.

And yup. It totally makes sense for BM to work only 3-4 hrs a day, quite possibly under the tables, and just collect CS for a living.

Here's why:
1. Her dad works at a car place and gets a car for her
2. She'll qualify for Medicaid, food stamps etc.
3. The kids get free breakfast and lunch at school
4. She gets housing assistance to the tune of $300 off a $900 rent
5. Plus since she lives in the apartment just above the Office, she gets free cable and free internet

If she made $1.00 above the cut-off line, many of these perks would VANISH.

I sure am hoping something works in your favor though.

I know just how tough it is to run a household on next to zero. And I consider myself very lucky for the kindness and generosity that has come my way in times of need, and for the utter commitment and dedication of my DH, who would go out there and work 40hrs overtime in addition to his normal job, doing hard manual labor if need be, just to make sure we get by.

One suggestion, perhaps you can give extra lessons to kids who need help (tutoring), advertise on the schools' notice boards and in the area where you live. Any little bit would help.

SteppingUp's picture

Funny you suggested that because just a couple of weeks ago I started talking to the schools about tutoring. Most of them, however, want teachers who are already in the school system working for them...I was a bit shocked. It's like how are you supposed to get a foot in the door if you CAN'T!? It's all about who you know around here....so I just gotta get out and meet people I guess!

Also, yes - I really can't stand people who live off the state like that, but then again now I can see why they do it.

MadeMyBed's picture

In the same boat. Its so hard to be middle class. We make "too much" to qualify for any assistance but dont make enough to comfortabley live. In my 30s I have a second job as a babysitter. Kind of embaressing but what are you going to do? :O