Feel like I'm back at square one
Every time I think I am finally falling into the groove I bounce right back and find myself wishing SD away. Why can't I just come to grips with the fact that this child will be around FOREVER and I just need to get used to that fact and DEAL with it?? I hate feeling the way I do sometimes. I feel evil and guilty for having the thoughts that run through my head. DH calls SD "baby" this morning...same thing he calls me...and I feel something inside of me just start to boil. Little things like that. When I come out into the living room and SD is snuggled up laying on her Daddy..it bothers me. Makes me feel icky and jealous at the same time. WHY?? I wasn't affectionate like that with my own Dad maybe that has something to do with it? I hate that I have these feelings towards an 8 year old for goodness sakes. And I find myself living in fear of her getting older because I can totally see her coming between my husband and I. If I ever leave him it will be because of her and her Mother. Some days I just plain dread having to pick SD up after work. She is hyperactive and bossy and cops an attitude. She thinks she knows it all and is constantly correcting her Father and I. Her favorite word these days is "NO!" I feel like ripping my hair out sometimes. The time she is at our house is too long and the time she is at her Mothers is too short. It makes me sick to think that this is what I have to deal with for at LEAST the next 10 years.
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She has "adult spousal
She has "adult spousal status" assigned to her by both bioparents. In their world, SD is equal to you (in the case of DH) and ABOVE you AND DH (in the case of BM).
She needs to be put in her place through traditional parenting and heirarchy. Of course that won't happen due to guilty daddy "I might lose her to the BM if I start giving her boundaries" (TM)
I feel for you. My only defense was to let skids know that I was the ultimate authority DESPITE what they heard from biodad. I did this out of earshot of GG (biodad I live with) because, of course, he thought to the contrary.
Since a child by nature wants to "divide and conquer" (especially so in non "intact" families) if you gradually let the child know that you see their manipulative tricks etc. they will soon be more wary of you. Now you have the opportunity to slowly but surely attack. Soon SD will be getting older. You disengage from her messes and let daddykins clean up after her, refusing to be her maid. Daddykins will soon get an eyeful of what his coddling has done.
If SD "tattles" on you to DH, you'll need to play it off "Kids say the DARNDEST THINGS!!" Then try introducing CHORES to SD. Then brag to DH about "how QUICKLY SD is CATCHING ON to dishwashing, sweeping the floors, cleaning the bathroom"
One of two things will happen. Either SD will "get with the program" and start her training program for the future as a responsible adult OR she will start trying to spend more time at the BM's if said BM has no rules (they usually don't). I think you see where this is going.
I feel your pain. My SD is 15
I feel your pain. My SD is 15 and has lived with us full time now for 2 years. She moved in 3 months after we got married. What a present, huh? NOT!!! She had lived several states away and visited only a few weeks a year.
I'm to the point now I can't even look at her. If she does talk to me, I respond in one word sentences. And yes, it's taken a toll on my marriage. What used to be an absolutely wonderful relationship is now full of arguing, ugly looks etc.
I have those same feelings. Those ugly feelings shock me. I am a good person, I was/am a good mom to my kids...what kind of woman thinks ill of a child/young adult? Me. I'm angry the majority of the time for the same reasons you mentioned. When he does something with SD or says something to her that he used to ONLY say to me, makes me wanta throw up.
So what do you do when you get those feelings? I end up downstairs alot. Then they'll sit upstairs together, and my mind just races. What are they talking about? How can he be so good to her when she has crapped on him and me? Then get mad at me for treating her badly? I'm at a loss...this is not what I signed on for, and my husband knows I feel that way. His response is, "What do you want me to do? Disown her?" Of course he can't do that. But what can I tell him to do? Any thoughts? I guess it's good knowing someone else is going through the same thing. "Misery loves company." I'm miserable.
I met my DH when his
I met my DH when his daughters were 5 and 7, and they are now 15 and 16, nearly 17. That decade can take an awfully long time to pass, but I don't want to make you feel any worse than you do already.
The way I have coped is by disengaging (8 yrs ago) and occupying myself by doing other things on my own or with friends when the SKIDS are here, EOW.
If your DH supports you and doesn't try to make you feel guilty over your attitude towards his child/ren then you are in with a chance.
How has your marriage
How has your marriage survived? My DH is at his happiest when SD and I are talking to each other. Which is not often. Each time her and I have a good talk, and I think we could possibly be 'at least' friends, she pulls something horrible on me. And I can't take it. Yes, I've disengaged, but I'm afraid that's going to cost me my marriage. Due to the fact my DH feels horribly guilty that SD has been through so much.
The worst thing is....I know if she ends up moving back in with her BM, my husband will resent me for it.
So by disengaging, and doing things on your own, hasn't your marriage suffered? My hope and dreams with my husband have been destroyed, and yes, I do resent my SD for it. SElfish I know, but I can't help it. We had so many plans to travel, to do all these things together, we can't now....because we have an entitled, snotty, spoiled, manipulative evil 15 YO living with us and we can't go do what we had envisioned.
Any advise?
Well I left. He still thinks
Well I left. He still thinks it is my problem. His daughter did not live with us. His dream is that the BM one day will somehow die because she drinks and smokes and has seizures and his perfect precious princess will come live with him. I have told him that if that happens he and her can live together and I will move far away.He is intent to do right by her no matter how he is treated or I am treated or how his daughter treats his parents( there were instances where she was verbally abusive towards his father). His mother and father worship the ground on which his daughter steps- trips to Washington, piles of clothes , jewellery you name it they give it. In one instancn ehis mother gave his daughter a nice princess like dress. His daughter turned to his mother and said- give me the money. Great respect !
Of course I am the evil villain for pointing out his non parenting skills and his disney dad enabling behaviour and guilty daddy syndrome. He gets mad and defensive whenever I mention something about how he parents her . He says- it is not for you to tell me how to parent. He likes the attention that he gets from his daughter and I think from BM too. Somehow in his mind I think they are his family. I donot think he saw me as part of his family.
I saw the problems two years ago.i did not act- I did not leave. I wasted so much time and money. Do not make my mistake. His grandmother has told him - DONOT INVITE this child in your apartment where you and anafiodorova live. His aunts have told him that he will have problems with his daughter. His mother has told him that no woman will stay around until he is around his daughter and the BM. He just did not listen - he just still pines for the day when he and his daughter will live happily together. He wants her in his home. He wants to give her spousal status. And any woman that he is with will just be a mere shadow that has to agree to all he does and just cry quietly and suck it up. I just chose not to do this.
I have tried to occupy myself and do stuff. For me it just prolong the pain and made it worse. There are some great women here that will open up your eyes and give you great advice.Please, take it to heart and take the time to think about it. If I did that I would have been at a much better place financially and professionally now. I thought I loved him. I do love people . i am caring and compassionate towards everybody. He never loved me - he used me , manipulated me and did not respect me. He still thinks I am the one with the "issues". I told him - you will understand one day .... but it will be too late
I hate the thought of this,
I hate the thought of this, my 2nd marriage not working. SD is a sophomore in highschool...I keep thinking...only 2 more years. Not that it's a guarantee, but I truly don't know if we'll make it. As I'm typing, I'm in a hotel an hour from home, trying to figure out if I can do this, if we can make it. The way our relationship has changed, is unreal to me. I cried all the way here yesterday, literally shaking/crying. We had such an AMAZING relationship. I realize he's in a very tough spot. We had no idea we'd end up with full custody of her. And no, he can't disown her....we're all in a no-win situation.
He doesn't know what to do. I don't know what to do. How can I keep my marriage without kissing SD's butt, like my DH does? I don't have it in me to do that. I grew up in a home that if you did something wrong, there were consequences. My DH will 'talk' to her about things, and yes, he's also taken away her computer, her phone, grounded etc. But nothing works with her. She just does more things that are hurtful to others. Which comes from the 1st 12 years of her life being spent with white-trash mother. Sad but true. She's been taught how to get her way and what she wants, NO MATTER who she craps on to get it. She recently totally crapped on my DH. Told the courts so many lies, and he's wanting to move on and look for the positive in everything. God love him for the 'positive' attitude, but when someone cuts my heart out and then stomps on it...it takes me a little longer to get over it. I don't know how he does it.
I truly don't know what to do. Can I hang in there a couple more years and see how we're doing then? Will my DH resent me after she leaves home? I think he will. Man, what a waste of life. It 'should've' been so good. It's embarrassing to think of a 2nd divorce, and I don't want a divorce, but I don't want to live unhappy, sad, frustrated, depressed, jealous, angry!!! I will try anything....(don't even mention counseling...been there, done that. Turned into a $100/hour bitch session...nothing good came from that.) Sorry for the negative. That's what sucks....I 'used to be' the most fun loving, positive person you would ever meet. Still am....around others, just not in my own home. That SUCKS!!!
Two things that have changed
Two things that have changed my outlook on life in a dramatic way:
1) DH said he actually sees how his kids treat me. He's confirmed that they are socially stunted towards me.
2) DH said he acknowledges how BM works, how she treats others, etc.
In both instances, I had always interpreted his silence as "acceptance" of their behaviors towards me (because he was NEVER silent with me when I would lose my patience with how they all acted). I finally told him exactly that -- and found out that his silence didn't mean he liked how they are, but after so many years of this he has "resigned" himself to the mantra that he is not going to acknkowledge that which he has no control over.
I agree. His kids aren't mouthy rude to me, they just won't speak to me. I guess that's a plus considering what some on here have to put up with. And the BM, well, I just made it clear to him that I do not and will not engage her in conversation, will not pick up the phone when she calls, etc. I don't inquire about anything regarding any of them because honestly, I'm not really that interested.
Things will never change -- the skids are old enough to know how they are acting. They are a product of their environment (I've stated in previous blogs and replies that they have been raised to look on all others with extreme disdain. NOBODY measures up in their eyes). And the BM, well, I guess this is how she's always been also -- self absorbed, above all others, selfish, etc.
What did change is that my DH spoke openly about his feelings, in turn validating mine. And it made me feel lots better.
My DH said basically the same
My DH said basically the same thing to me. He said he KNOWS what her character flaws are, but he would never say them to me out loud. I asked him too, and he just got pissed, which says to me, he doesn't REALLY believe the negatives about her. Maybe he does, and just doesn't want to admit them. I think it would make me feel better too, if he would just say out loud what I see and believe her to be, which is NOT a good human being. My kids (both in their 20's and living on their own) are not perfect, by any means, but they have huge hearts and have respect for adults etc. My SD is unreal. I've never taken on anything so hard in all my life.
I wish I could just put a smile on my face and fake it. I can't. In a perfect world, BM wouldn't be a freak and SD would go live with her, but sadly, that's not going to happen. And if she runs away and does go live with her, I'd get blamed, I just know it.
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I can go back home and 'act' like I care about SD. DH would be in heaven. The old relationship comes back each time he sees her and I talking. Seems so simple huh? Kiss SD's butt, make husband happy. WHY CAN'T I DO IT? I have always felt I'd do anything in the world to make my husband happy. Why can't I be nice to his daughter? I'm a nice person.
Has anyone out there 'pretended' to care, to save your marriage? Did it work?
This is what my fiancee asked
This is what my fiancee asked me to do - fake it. He wants me to keep a smile and fake it so that his mother, his daughter the BM and everybody in his family is happy. How I feel is of little concern for him. For him if I fake it - he will be happy and will want to be with me. He likes to pretend that this his family is normal, which they are very far from being normal.
His motto - no matter what fake ot and pretend . Just smile. Well, I have dignity and self - respect. If I want to be with him he thinks that I should suport him by diregarding my dignity and self - respect. As long as he and his precious daighter, BM and mother are happy.I am so so sorry - my happiness means more to me and my parents and brother. There are people out there who truly care and love me and donot want me to prentend, fake it or suck it up. All of the last three words have been used by him in relation to how I should interact with his precious family.
He knows the flaws in his mothers, BM and daughters character . Among many they include mental health history of bipolar disorder for the BM that got it from her mother and possibly his daughter might develop it in teenage years. His mother is on depression pills- nobody actually knows what pills but on pills for her strange behviour . So yes, he also has told me that his daughter is a lying ass snitch. That was confirmed by his mother too. His grandmother is the only sane woman that has given him plenty of productive advice and has supported our relationship. She has told him many truths even beofre she has met me.
So my ex knows this dysfunctional situation - yet I am the one with the "issues" with his daughter. And as of late jelous of his BM that is with 9 th grade education , never has been permanently employed, all her life on welfare, monitored weekly by a social worker etc etc. I can continue forever. So i am jelous of this precious BM - wow!
A side note- everyone that has seen his daughter tells me- she looks scary and there is somethign evil in her eyes. Even people I have not talked to about the problems.
So what are YOU going to do?
So what are YOU going to do? You said 'fiance'....I truly wish I would've known about this site prior to my saying yes to my DH's proposal 2 1/2 years ago. I know I would've waited to marry the man of my dreams. (Sounds stupid, I know, but so true.)
At least your fiance's daughter 'looks' evil. My SD15 is crazy as a fox. She looks and acts like a little darling, and will stab your ass in the back so fast. Including her dad, my DH. And I'm supposed to just 'get over it'. "She's a kid, you're an adult." Do you have any idea how many times I've heard that.
I don't mean to tell you your business....but I guarantee you it will get worse after you get married.
Does she live with you all now? How old is she? My SD didn't want to live with us until she hit 12....then it happened. Her and her BM started fighting, which always happens between mother and daughters at that age....you fiances daughter WILL want to live with her 'daddy' during her teen years. I can 'almost' promise you that.
So do you fake it? Fake that you like her? That has to strain your relationship, doesn't it? I suck at faking.
Thanks for sharing....it helps!
I love that "jealous" line.
I love that "jealous" line. Had it thrown at me many times. So much so that I used it against him!!! When GG was particularly pissed at me for "talking bad about his family" (aka the BM who totally PASed his kids against him and the skids who won't give him the time of day despite everything we did for them) and was getting physically violent with me because of it, I told him that I was "jealous of him" and that seemed to calm him down. What a nit wit!!
Troperh, It is my ex fiancee.
Troperh,
It is my ex fiancee. I left three weeks ago.Prior to that I was disengaged from his daughter. No she did not live with us. His grandmother told him not to invite his daughter at our apartment. She even told him that he is crazy for thinking that. I never expressed an opinion on that.I did not even know his grandmother when she has told him that . It was an year into the relationship.
His daughter is 12 right now and next year will be 13. I left over an argument about her texting him at 7-8 p.m just to say hi.He liked the attention and kept texting with her back and forth. I wanted him to call and ask her why she is texting. I explaine dto him that I see the hand of the BM in these evening text messages. He said he is ok if it is the BM texting but it is not probable it is her because she is drunk at this time.I did not like the texting because he spend the whole weekend with her for aloen time going to movie and such. He has a son that he has full custody of and is very respectful. The son has been a joy.His son was not invited to the alone movie time. Well he comes from the weekend and I learn from his daughter`s facebook about their movie date. He didnot even tell me about it. I confornt him about it and he laughs in my face calls me jelous and has this content demanour that I just could not handle. He looked like anotehr man sitting in the armchair all happy with himself with a big smile. Well I left to see a movie by myself. When I cam eback he looked worried. Comes Monday evening and the texting starts. I asked him to call her. He would not but he said that he will set time to speak with her aloone every week?! Ok. Comes Tuesday the same text hey at 7p.m sharp. I address it - his reaction. I am jelous of the BM. Comes Wednesday the texting continues. What do I do cry , mourn and cannot take it. Place an ad go look for apartments , pack my stuff. I cry and mourn I ask him to talk. He shuts down completely and does not want to communicate - nothing. I found an aprtment on Friday. He leaves for his mother`s and comes back on Sunday evening. I cannot be around him. I go to a hotel. On Monday I take a u haul , load my stuff and leave. Since I have left he has e mailed me. Basically about me having issues with his daughter and he has not done anything wrong but text his precious precious. I am not mentioning other issues with his daughter sleeping in his bedroom on a mattress while I sleep upstairs , because we are not married and we respect his mother.Again we had a huge blow up in which I was ready to walk out because he did not see how wrong that was. His mother still thinks I overexaggerated the sleeping thing and his mother was upset at me. Really? So no I am not going back to this. He NEEDS me because his precious mother, daughter or BM do not give a ..... about him and never have and never will. I say karma is a bitch. When I left his laptop broke and his car broke all at once. No he WANTS and NEEDS my spare laptop. That is why he e mails.
No he will not change. He will make everybody else happy. He wants a perfect normal family in which the wife accepts all that crap with joy , happiness and just loves it. Well I am not that woman
Anafiod...got it now. I'm
Anafiod...got it now. I'm glad you cleared it up for me. I thought to myself, holy crap,,,,all these signs on this site and she's seriously engaged to this guy. Good for you. Even though you're mourning and were so hurt and cry....you'll be better off and you know that. You HAVE to know that. I'm in a hotel crying myself....because I didn't see the signs, just knew I was so in love that I wanted to be with my DH, and never thought SD would be living with us.
Well....here I am now. In a relationship/marriage that once was so flippin' perfect we were almost nauseating to those around us. Nauseating now, but for different reasons. My neighbor just text me and called wanting to talk about my DH's and my 'problems'. I can't even talk about it, it hurts so bad. I just start crying.
I truly do not know what to do. I need to learn how to be fake around SD, but my DH sees through that. He knows me so well. Gawd I hate this.
Again, I'm happy for you. You were so smart to figure this out ahead of time. I'm sure you Xfiance believes he'll find a woman that will be a GREAT SM to his darling daughter. Maybe for awhile, but if she has half a brain in her head, she won't stay long.
Good for you....go find a REAL man, that will appreciate you.
Thanks for sharing!
You know, I really do feel
You know, I really do feel guilty being on this site, (1st let me say...THANK GOD for this site, because it affords me a place to vent) but you know how when you hang out with negative people, you start acting negatively. And please NOBODY take that like I'm saying anything towards any of you, it's towards me, if anyone. So bare with me and hear me out.....Mustange1 you said, "These guilty bioparents put everything on us...we have to be the ones to deal with THEIR issues, and we have to put a smile on our faces and LIKE it."
So on a positive note....Though I agree with the guilty part, my DH doesn't put MORE on me than he's willing to step up and do. Do we as SP's have to deal with the guilty part, hell yes. That's the part that sucks. My DH is willing to do anything to help the situation between SD and myself. I just have no freakin' clue what it is I want him to do. Okay...now negative. Ha. She's an evil little girl / young woman and he might see it, but he's never told me what he thought her faults were. He does think that I'm being as childish as she is at times. Which pisses me off to no end. I truly think if he told me he TRULY recognizes what her inner soul is about, I think I could move forward just knowing he knows. If that makes any sense at all. And yes, just the other day he said, "I know what her faults are." And I said, "Really, what are they?" He wouldn't answer me, he just got really pissed. And I left for a few days. And here I am on this site, crying every other minute. Wondering WTH I can do about my failing marriage.
I wish someone on this site could say exactly what I should try next....I'm willing to try anything to keep from hurting my DH and to save my marriage. But I'm afraid I've said too many things (that I honestly feel and know are true about SD) for him to ever forget. He's such a good man, he's just totally l00% blind when it comes to his daughter. It's nuts!
I want something positive to move forward with....anyone have anything?? (: (
But you have already said
But you have already said that you suck at faking - and yet that's all, it seems that DH wants you to do. Personally if I had to do that, I would consider it a step too far - no marriage is worth denying your own reality in order to save. Even if you did this, it would probably backfire on you in the end, because no-one can conceal their real self for ever, resentment builds - and it will come to an explosive head.
The only thing I could suggest is perhaps the two of you having some counselling so that you can come to an accommodation with each other regarding how each of you relate to SD.
My DH is well aware that I don't like my younger SD15. I tolerate her & am polite to her when she stays EOW. My older SD16 is easier to deal with, but we don't have a close relationship. Your DH will have to accept that he's not going to be able to create the perfect little nuclear family that he failed to create with his first wife/partner. If he wants this marriage, he's going to have to work at accepting your ambivalent feelings towards his daughters - this is the work that HE has to do - not you.
KES, you're l00% dead on. I
KES, you're l00% dead on. I do suck at faking, and faking is TOTALLY denying my reality. I've never thought that HE needs to realize this is how it is, and HE can figure out how to deal with it. He had never married my SD's BM....it was a teenage mistake. HUGE mistake, I might add. And they lived several states away until the year we got married....Then BM moved l0 minutes away from us. Full custody of then a 13yo SD, nice wedding present huh? NOT!!! So in all honesty, DH is just not getting to REALLY know his daughter at the same time I am. And it's been a rude awakening for him. Little precious princess isn't so precious, and hates to admit it just how big of a mistake it was....but here we are.
I honestly believe his eyes have been opened up BIG TIME. SD15 has done some horrible things to him, and it's been very hard on him, but he gets over it so fast and then gets pissed at me for calling her out on her bullshit. BLOWS MY MIND. Is that the guilty daddy symdrome I've been reading about on this site? TOTALLY makes sense. I told DH last night that I would come home and from now on would be nice to SD no matter what she does to him. 75% of the time I'm pissed at SD because she's treating my DH like shit. But I guess if he can get over being treated shitty, why should I fret about it. ??? Wow....
Thank you so much for your input.