How do you handle it when your bio and skid both misbehave?
I am fairly disengaged at this point. Pretty much all I do for ss is ensure that a minimum standard of health and saftey is met (ie, I feed him and stop him if hes doing something dangerous). Otherwise I leave it to dh to deal with, or not deal with as he chooses.
When we are all together I will address amd correct BS 4 only, even if they are both doing the same thing. Usually its just little reminder, no big deal thing. Like, no hanging on the ropes/chain when we are in lines somewhere.....or sit nicely in the chair at a resteraunt. Sometimes hearing me correct BS will get ss to shape up, sometimes it gets dh to say something to ss and sometimes ss and dh just ignore me.
Tbis weekend, we were all at the amusement park. We came down off a climbing structure. Bs4 asked if he could go back up the stairs and come down the cargo nets one more time while I got the baby situated in hos stroller. I said yes, go up these stairs (pointingh and come right back down this net (pointing). BS and ss take off. I get the baby in his stroller and got him a snack. No bs. I look at the net he should be coming down.....not there. I can zee the stairs and all the way to the entran,e of the cargo net, they arent there. I turn and see them running from the other side of the kiddie area.
They had run across an arial bridgd to a different climbing area and ran through a maze. I immediately chastised bs4. He lost privileges, and got consiquences. Dh didnt say one word to ss. Ss didnt look the least bit remorseful or guilty. He just stood there happy as a clam drinking soda, waiting for BS to finish getting yelled at so we could move on to the next fun thing.
Later on that night BS came up to me to appolgizd for his behavior and say he was sorry for dissapointing me. He promised to never run off again and to ask permission. We had a good talk about expectations a d how important it for me to know where he is. I told him that had he asked to do what he did, I probably would have said yes (ive allowed him to do it before) but thag wasnt what he was told to do this time. He understood.
I feel good about how I handled BS and the resolution was positive. But heres my issues.
1. Ss did the exact same thing as BS, yet wasnt even spoken to at all. Furthering his notion that he can do whatever he wants and the rules dont really apply to him.
2. Ss is older, 12, and he either led or followed his much younger brother intk a potentially dangerous situation that he knew damn well theh werent allowed to be in. Either he decided to disobey and BS followed him, which shows a serious lack of judgment and lack of responsibilty on ss part....... Or it was bs's idea and ss is so weak minded that he can be swayed into making the wrong choice by a preschooler.....that seriously doesnt bode well for his teenage years.
3. I NEVER have issues like this with BS when ss isnt present. We have season passes to this park, so we are there alot. All summer I took my boys while ss was away on summer visitztion..... Not one issue with BS running off or not following my instructions. Yet here come ss, and problems follow. Yes, bs4 is fully responsible for his own choices, and he gets disciplined for his bad choices when he chooses to emulate ss......but damn. Its harx for a 4 year old to grasp why his brother can do these things and act a fool and doesnt get I trouble, but as soon as he does the same hes called out on it. It just sucks to have to keep being on him to counteract ss's bad influence.
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1. Your rules for your BS
1. Your rules for your BS don't apply to him. But there should be rules for him by his father. And if there aren't, and he can do whatever he wants - well there's a problem. He's just 12. He shouldn't have the same rules as a preschooler but he has to have some.
2. I'd call it a lack of responsibility and lack of care. He's not gonna get in trouble and he doesn't care if his brother does.
3. BS is just 4. I don't think you can make him fully responsible for his own choices. Discipline him when he makes a wrong choice - absolutely. But he's just 4. Although you shouldn't show it, you shouldn't fully blame him either.
And his brother is 12, more than double his age. Of course he can some things your BS can't and not get in trouble.
You can explain to him that his brother can do it because his father allows it and he allows it because SS is older,therefore gets more freedom.
Dh was with us that dag, but
Dh was with us that dag, but not when I gave BS permission to go back ul one last time. He had taken the stairs down anc went to gge rest room while I came down the cargi net witb the kids. He came back as I was looking for the boys. I will not take ss oyt alone anymore.
So the only insyructions given were by me, to only go straight up the stairs, and down the cargo net next to me. They both equally disobeyed....yet BS was tge only one disciplined.
Part of me feels like I should have addressed both of them, but no way I want to pick up thaf respo sibilty again.
I do make it very clear to BS thaf he is responsible for his own choices. When he questions the clear disparity between expectatio.s I just say tbat I am his mom and responsible for him, and ss is daddys to deal with.
So actually SS didn't
So actually SS didn't disobey. BS4 came and asked you if BS4 could do something, you gave BS4 permission. BS4 ran off instead and followed SS. Unless you were directing both boys (which you say you were not), SS 'job' isn't to be responsible for BS4. Yes, it would be nice if SS had yelled back 'Peanut, BS4 is following me', but unless you've asked SS to watch out for BS4, I really don't see why SS should be disciplined because your child didn't listen to you.
I don't think you can have it both ways. You don't want to be involved with parenting/disciplining SS (telling him what to do/not do as that's Dad's job) but then you want to hold SS responsible for what BS4 does. No one told SS he couldn't go to other part. And if you're not involved with SS (by choice) was SS told by Dad before Dad took off that SS was to stay by you or ask you permission? If not, this is the issue you and DH have to work out. If Dad walks off and leaves SS with you are you responsible for what SS is doing or not doing?
I think your best bet is just not to take the kids all out together until DH/you decide how this is all going to work. BS4 is a little kid, he was tempted to go do what SS did and BS4 took the temptation. At the most right now would be you request SS to please yell back to you if SS knows BS4 isn't listening to you because BS4 is very young and could be lost and/or worse.. Safety is important in crowded public places blah blah. Not that you're asking SS to be responsible for BS but that you only have two eyes and if BS is doing something you didn't know he was doing of course neither SS or you would want anything to happen to BS. It's not really making SS responsible for the BS, but more making SS aware that when you are all out on a fun family event everybody needs to make sure everybody is safe and ok.
Yes, I agree this grey area
Yes, I agree this grey area needs to be resolved.
Yes BS disobeyed, and he was punished. But heres that grey area......ss only ran off based in my permjssion to bs. He ks NOT allowed to just run the park at his will. Had dad been standing there and ss just started running off, hed have his butt handed to him. Had I been alone with them and ss just randomly bolted awag j would have called him/yelledto him to get back over with us. I only let him run off eith BS because I assumed (obviously incorrectly) tbat he was just going ti do whaf I told BS he could do.
. My issue is with him taking my approval of BS doing something as tacit approval for him to do sometbing,, but that he is free to ignore the restrictions placed in that approval. Seems like ss is playing botb sides of the fence......peznut gave ”us” per.ission to go.....but peanut doesnt tell me what to do so ill do what I want.
In my home, SS13 lives with
In my home, SS13 lives with us full time. I provide rules and expectations for all of the kids.
Had this been an event that had taken place between my SS13 and my DS9, I would have handled my son the same way you did, but I also would have let SS know that what he did was unacceptable right at the beginning and asked him to go sit down so his father could speak with him.
Then I would "coach" my DH on what the issue was and how I "suggest" he address it.
We do a lot of, "you're the oldest, you need to set a good example, you are looked up to...blah, blah, blah". So even if it wasn't about SS doing something HE should have done, he is THE BIG BROTHER and needs to act the part as it's part of his responsibility and his new role in the family.