I'm feeling really lost - long sorry!
This is my first post, but I've been reading the posts on this site for a couple of months now, trying to figure out all this stepparenting thing.
I'm not the stepmom, just the girlfriend. I'm divorced with no children.My boyfriend is divorced and has a 2yo little girl.
We've been together for 10 months now. Thank God the BM seems nice and reasonable, although I haven't met her yet. From all that I've read I think my boyfriend doesn't even realize how blessed he is. He's got EOW with his daughter. And the BM even lets him get her on Friday, so SD can spend an extra night with daddy (by law he is only supossed to pick her up on saturday mornings). Although he is still very hurt with the hole divorce thing, they communicate pretty well and the child is a happy kid, even with the complications deriving from having two homes.
So what's the problem, you ask? Not my relatioship with her, although I never wanted children of my own, I always said that I didn't have a problem with having a relationship with someone who had them, and I don't. After the first couple of weekends with her, I was in love! And she seems to really like me too. She already sees me as one of the family members and she smiles and gigles when she sees me. It feels so good.
My relationship with her father is great too, when it's just the both of us. Although we don't officially live together, he spends all nights at my place, except when is daughter is here. In those nights he stays at his parents house. He doesn't have a great relationship with his parents, so he spends little time there when SD2 is not with him. (He hides at my place, as I see it)And I really don't mind, although I don't think I'm ready for him to move in completely. I'm kind of complicated that way.
The problem for me is that he also spends little time at his parents when SD is here! He keeps saying is missing on his little girl's life, and that her mother stole her from him when she asked for divorce, but when SD is here, he is always leaving here with grandma and coming here.
Like today, he put her down for her nap around 14:00 and came here, streched on the sofa and slept (he had a rough week at work). When he awaked up at 18:30 I was mad! In my mind I only thought "doesn't he remember that SD is here and that he only has two days EOW to be with her". And then he asked me "What's wrong?". Of course I said "nothing" and he realised what it was. He phones his mother to know if SD was awake... Off course she was awake! It was only a nap. Then he asks if I want to go with him and SD to the coffee shop... Like I'm the one who needs to be with SD. She dines and 19:00, so why take the kid out of the house, to the cold weather, to go to the coffee shop for 30 minutes? The kid doesn't need coffee, SHE NEEDS HER FATHER!
I love to be with him, but I prefer spending my weekend alone, knowing that he is with his daughter, taking care of her needs.
The only weekends that happens is when I say, ok come over and bring her with you.Or when I say "Go be with your daughter, I don't wanna see you here this weekend!". That's normally when I'm at boiling point already. But even then I don't really know if he spends quality time with her, of it he lets grandma take care of everything.
And it isn't like he doesn't know how to do it, because he does. When he comes here with her, he changes dippers, he feeds her, I only help entertain her a little lol. Ok I give a hand watching her and making sure she's behaving and having fun. My house is now almost a playpin. Toys, DVDs... She even has her own little pillow my Mom made for her, for her naps, and her plate and spoon with Winnie the Pooh for the meals. I loose my head with her.She's such a great kid, it's easy to fall in love. And I'm finnancially stable, and I like spending on the ones I love. And she isn't even my daughter. I spend the days before she comes trying to figure out nice things for her father to do with her. He doesn't even think on those things!
How can I deal with a father that, although he cares for his child a lot, doesn't put her in front of his own needs?
Some of you complain that your DH put their kids in first place. I complain on the contrary ladies. He's first, I'm second, she's third! He even puts my needs in front of hers! He's worried that I'll get upset over anything, but he's not worried that he's not spending time with his kid. How can he create a real bond with that child if he's only there for her for short periods of time?
Sorry, this got really too long. I would really appreciate to hear some of your thoughts on this. I'm I being paranoid? Maybe a little. But I worry that ten years from now he's asking me why doesn't she wanna come to see me... And I'll have to answer "Because you weren't really there for her".
Thanks for listening.
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Thank you for readind my long post Mustang1
I too think things would get better if he had his own place, but with the way things are going, it think it will be dificult for that to happen any time soon. He moved here from far away, has a new, and not very stable, job... He's trying to put his life together and it's rough. I'm aware of his constant struggle.
And I also agree that moving together would not help, because I, knowing myself has I do, would make sure she would always had every need attended too, and he would probably relax...
It makes me sad that he's missing out on the little things. And it makes me angry that we're having the same discussion for about 6 months, EOW, and that he doesn't get why I get upset when he stays here and not with SD. Deep breaths... I need to be less stressed about it, but it's not in my nature.
All of you say this site is a big help, and today I've got my first experience. It's really great to be able to put our worries in writting, and having someone giving their point of view on the matter. I'm very new at all this, and I know my troubles are small, compared to some of the ones I've been reading, but it helps to know we can have a shoulder here, when we need one.
Thanks you so much.
I agree with Mustang
He might be mourning having a family and is torn. You said he took the divorce hard so that would be my guess.
My ex moved on right away, and it always bothered me that he relied on his now wife so much right from the beginning. But that was just how he handled it. My DH moved on right away with me too actually. I think many men who are used to being a family unit are uncomfortable being just with their child, especially such a little girl. My ex hadn't even bathed my youngest son when we divorced. He was two as well.
I guess my advice would be a heart to heart. Find out what his expectations are of you and your relationship with him and with SD. If you are so crazy about her, then why not hang out with them? He doesn't get along with his parents, so it may be that they are interfering with him gaining confidence on his abilities as a single dad too.
Of course it may be that you are mourning your single uncomplicated life a little too, which is normal. Even those of us with our own kids kind of mourn the single life when we had a lot of alone time while our kids were visiting their father. So in that case you need to talk to him about how you would like to get some stuff caught up on his weekends with his daughter, and that way they can have some time together as well.
I guess I feel for this guy a little. Sounds like he's not quite sure where SD and you fit into his life together.
Peace, love, and red wine
OMG, why can't my friends say these things to me? :-)
Thank you so much.
You kindly get me to see some rather interesting and good points. Wish some of my friends did the same.
Although I don't get the difficulty of taking care of her, as he took care of her since the day she was born... He worked at home and his ex left most of that job for him until she went back to work. Then, she left it all for him. So until SD was 10 months he did it all. Did he unlearned it in a year? Maybe... Maybe he has become insecure because the family broke apart... But that's no reason to be missing out on SD's life now, I think... He needs to handle his problems and move forward, because he is her father and she needs him. Or else, knowing him as I do, he'll regret it in the future.
Regarding the mourning of my single life, yes, it is hard... I don't feel I can pass from being a very free independent woman, to being a complete "wife" and stepmom in a second (ok 10months...), or just because he needs me to... I do make room for SD in my life in her weekends, sometimes too much room. And in those ocasions I felt some pressure I confess, but I tryed to handle it. Take it slow and move forward. But when I don't make room, like today, when I don't plan anything for us to do together, he doesn't either. She's not my responsibility and he will only be with her if I make the arrangements, if I say lets go here or there, or bring her to my place... Otherwise, he'll find an excuse to leave her at his mom's and run here...
We talked a lot in the beggining about expectations, and we both agreed that he needed to get back on his feet before we could live together, or become a family. He still says he's ok with things the way they are. Apparantely I'm the one who isn't. I'm the one creating the pressure because I don't think he's spending enough time with SD.
And the other thing that really gets to me it's the reasons he gives for doing that. He left sad with me... Then he texts me "I didn't sleep last night. End of a complicated week. I really needed 2 hours sleep. Sorry you can't understand that." Ok, why wouldn't you nap with your daughter then???????? It's not like I'm here begging you to come keep me company...
All his weeks are complicated... He will always be tired and he will continue to leave SD with grandma because it's easier... And grandma doesn't even get that this is not so good for SD. She just is so happy to take care of her always... One of these days, when SD starts to talk better she will say to her mom on dad's weekend "I'm going to Grandma's", because it's actually what she's been doing for six months now.
And Mustang is right, if we move in together, he will try to make me take care of her, like he does with his mom... And I'm not ready for that fight just yet...
How can a guy be such a great boyfriend, because he is, and such a "strange" father? I tell myself, I don't want children, so I don't have to worry about that. But I do, because I think when we put children in this world we have to give them our best. And he's not doing that. And they both loose in the end...
Thanks once more.
Divorce is awful
I didn't see how old he is; how old you are; how long they were married; was it a amicable divorce or nasty divorce...just lots of facts that make it a little hard to figure things out.
However, that being said, I think Mustang has a point. His divorce might have put him off balance even if before this he was a good father. It also sounds like he is having financial problems and dealing with a lot of stress in his life. He could be feeling emasculated from the divorce. Coming over to your place may help him deal with the past.
I know I absolutely adore the time I have my daughter, but its kind of nice when she is with her mom. She loves her mother and her mother is good to her. I can then spend time for me -- working out; reading; cleaning; work, etc.
Being a divorced father can be scary -- you don't know how an ex might react. He could give her a bath (totally innocent) and a vindicative ex could turn him in for inappropriate conduct. You should have a talk with him. It may take several talks though.
I know when I meet someone new its hard to figure out how much time to spend with them and how much time to spend on my life. Both of you may be dealing with that issue right now. He with the loss of his marriage and you with the change in how your single life effects you.
As far as planning "elaborate" things to do with a child. Some of the best times I had with my daughter were simply going to feed the ducks at Washington Park. Beautiful park and hundreds of ducks. We would get some bread and throw scraps at the ducks -- the geese then would get aggressive and she would want to get up on my shoulders so they wouldn't nip at her. We also just went on bicycle rides.
Kids don't want money, they just want time with their parents. However when you are mentally and emotionally beaten down by a divorce its hard to realize what you can and can't do with your kids.
We have had the same visitation schedule since 2002 -- almost six years. Thats a long time to get used to things. Last week since it was snowing we had to skip my Thursday night visitation -- I didn't want Katie or her mom to get in a car wreck. Thats probably the 3rd Thursday visitation I have had to make a change for in 6 years. Not a bad record.
I would also say there is no "right" way to parent. Its a tough place to be, but a place that with communication you can probably solve it.
My ex gf was aggravated that I let my daughter watch movies like Matrix and Dodgeball. The reason I did that was that my "little brother" from Big Brothers/Big Sisters and I would go see movies like that. Katie wanted to be part of that, so I let her.
She turned out to be a mentally and emotionally mature 12 year old. I don't know if I did it right, or just got lucky. Remember this is just a journey and there will be lots and lots of changes in how any parent "parents."
I know I would tremendously enjoy having a SO to share things with, but it will happen when its supposed to happen. Having a relationship and being a parent is a balancing act and he could be trying to figure it all out. Just try and enjoy the journey and be the best person you can be. The rest of the things will probably fall right into place.
Kevin
Thanks Steve and Kevin
Thanks for giving me the guy perspective on this, as normally I cant' think like one.
You are probably right, the financial aspect of his life is putting a strain on things and he's having a hard time with that. It probably doesn't help too that I'm so financially independent and that I was up on my feet just one year after my own divorce, and my ex left me with a few big debts to handle, and a house to pay. I was lucky, I had a great job, and living like a nun for a year I had all my bills paid. I know he feels bad because he's separated for 14 months (divorced for 6 now) and he's still pretty much on the same place financially where he was when it started. But he doesn't really save much. He was used to a big style life and it's hard for him to give it up. He was used to giving everything to his ex and now he can't do it for me and it makes him sad (him not me).
Regarding the other details, he's very lucky as is ex-wife seems, until now, to be very understanding and supportive of his role as a father. Their marriage was a long one (well their relationship was, they lived together for 10 years, married for 4) and it ended, according to him, because of money problems. He couldn't afford her life style anymore and with SD being born and all, his ex didn't want to wait for him to get back on track. She's a daughter of a rich man and is used to have everything and when he couldn't afford her hairdresser once a week minimum, she said I'm out.
Right now she provides the most for SD and he pays CS. Not much for the ex, but pretty much considering what he earns each month.
And although he says she's not as motherly as he wished she would be, SD is a happy balanced little kid, so in my opinion, and of some of his family, she's doing a pretty good job. And she hasn't interfered with is parenting a bit till now. SD comes EOW and she doesn't even call to check on her, not, I think, because she doesn't trully love her daughter, but because she know he his a great father and has his family to back him up if he needs it.
And here's the thing that bothers me, when I see him and SD together it's magical! They have such a warm relationship, and he's the light of her eyes. Why he doesn't want to spend every minute of his day with this child when she's here, I simply don't get.
We have done some simple things with SD, like going to the beach, or the park, as she's so little we cannot obviously elaborate much. But even those, I planned, I gave the suggestions. The only thing he thinks of is bringing her to my place, so he can lay on the sofa and we watch her play. Otherwise he leaves her at grandma's, where he isn't able to stay for long periods of time, as he gets suffocated... I know it's hard living at your parents place, as I did the same when I went through my own rough divorce. Two months... I love my parents but I was glad I could get out of there when I did. But I still spend more time at my parents now, visits and meals, that he does at his. And I don't have a daughter there EOW... And his parents are not so bad... His mother even asked for my help in planning the birthday party for SD, as she knows he's not very good at planning stuff and neither is she. Yesterday I spend my entire morning buying stuff, little things for the party, and SD's gift, and I had so much fun. Then in the afternoon I told BF about it, as I was so excited with preparing the party, and he was "ok, but she's too little, she won't remember any of this in a few months...". Birthday's are important to me... And I have the pictures to remind me of my every single one. Every single little party that my parents prepared for me, saying with it "We love you so much".
I'm spoiled wrotten. My parents always made it all for me and my brother. Love and discipline. And we appreciate today everything they did for us when we were groing up. The parties and the discipline we had. And the constant presence of my parents in our lives. BF always complains that he didn't have that, and that his childhood wasn't has wonderfull has mine, and his parents were always to busy working to create a real bond with him. And that that will never happen with SD. But he's risking walking on the same path, as I see it. Cuddles and kisses, an hour a day, every EOW, will not cut it in my point of view.
He just goes with the flow when SD's here. Lets his mom and me plan all the things for SD and just squeezes in our plans... I wish for once he would plan his own things to do with SD. With me or without me. With his parents or without them.
It's sunday morning, and I know in an hour I'll have a call from him asking "So, what do you want to do today?". And I'll be sad again, but I will plan something so he spends a little more time with SD...
Clueless..
When I first met my bf, I was shocked by some the things he did with his kids... However, not seeing his kids was not one of them.
But in reading your post, I believe it all boils down to some guys just don't understand the full realm of being a father. It's not all about toys and "things". As the children get older, you really begin to see the fruits of their efforts (no pun intended:-)... when the kids were as young as your SD.
If you really care for both of them, you need to offer guidance, not criticism, of how to raise a child.
I don't have children either, but I think I have a pretty good idea of what's important and what's not.
As I told my SD15 when she was 13 and talking to me about "life", I don't believe it's as important to know what you are as much as what you're not.
Good luck.
Yes, I do think he is clueless...
He's clueless according to my high standards. To him if SD has eatean, slept, and had her dipper changed, she has all she needs. And his mom does that all right, so he just thinks SD is happy. I do believe she's happy too, but I think she needs to create a bond with him not his mother. And it is by doing all the things above, plus spending quality time with her, that that bond will be created.
This afternoon they came here, and 30 seconds after arriving he was sitting on my computer already, while SD played with me. 10 minutes passed and I kindly said "We're missing you here, Daddy" and he realized that he should come sit with us. When she's here it's easier for me not to get upset because I'm always thinking that SD is not to blame for her father's absent behavior and I try to create a good enviroment, where she feels calm and loved. But when she isn't my temper tends more for critics then for guidance, I confess. I have to work on that, really do. Wished he worked on getting more interrested.
The weekend is ending and SD will be returning to her mom's tonight. But she'll come back next Friday night, as it is her birthday and as her BM is preparing her birthday party only on Sunday, she offered him the Saturday so he can celebrate with SD too. Nice of her, don't you think? I just hope she continues so understanding as she is now.
I will try to make him get involved in preparing SD's party. I offered to bake the cake, and he's going to help, wether he likes it or not Just kidding, but I will ask for his help on this matter.
Thanks once more to all.
I think it's a man thing
My husband does the same thing. He comes home, BDs4 and 1 haven't seen him since bedtime the previous night, and he disappears to the computer in the basement.
I might be a little tough on your boyfriend. Does he have a key to your apartment/house? If not, don't let him in on weekends he has his daughter. Tell him about events/things you think his daughter would enjoy, then don't be available to join them. My husband would hardly ever be able to think of things to do with our daughters if I didn't plan them. He thinks as long as he's physically with them, that's enough. And sometimes it is, but kids need more than that.
he sounds like a good guy
and I concur with the posts on here, he sounds like he thinks just having her is enough, whether she is with him or his parents.
I think it will work out for you both - but like mustang says I would not move in right away. She and I both have BF who do not live with us and we do like it that way!!
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take your time with this relationship there is much to lose as to gain.
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