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Father's Day - ARGH!!

kit2kat00's picture

I'd like to get some advice/thoughts from all of you out there. I'm getting married to a man in 2 1/2 weeks. We've been dating for 7 years and living together for 3. We share the house with my 9 yr old daughter. He has a 19 yr old attending college who lives with her mom. My daughter hasn't seen her father (his choice) in about 1 1/2 years. Last year on Father's Day, my BF spent the entire day at an amusement park with his daughter and mine spent it with me. I felt really bad for her so I asked BF if, from now on, he could include her in Father's Day activities and he agreed. Well, here it is coming up on Father's Day again and I asked what the plans are. He said he'd probably go to the amusement park all day again with his daughter (her gift to him) and he "doesn't know what to do". That may sound sympathetic except for the fact that he is the ULTIMATE in passive-aggressive behavior, so I know that "I don't know what to do" means he's going anyhow and tough beans for my kid. Am I wrong in thinking he should tell his daughter that both kids are important and that he wants to spend time with each of them on that day? I'm not even suggesting that they do it all together, but my child deserves the same attention and his. HELP!!

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Gia's picture

I agree w/ you. It would be nice if he included your daughter. However, father's day is to celebrate the father, not the kid. I wouldn't push dh too hard on this issue as I think this (wanting to spend time with your daughter on his day) should come from the heart.

stepkate's picture

From the perspective of a childless person (who is not married), I would say that I'd rather spend time with my own child on such a day. I would resent being pushed to spend time with another child if I had no interest in doing so.

However, it sounds like your BF made a different agreement with you, and if he agreed to be a father figure, he should be true to his word. You may need to have a conversation with him as to exactly what he expects his responsibilities toward your child to be. It is bad on his part to lead you to believe that he can provide certain things for her, and then go back on what he said.

stepkate's picture

Thats fine for him, but allowing you to call him is a lot different than spending the whole day with you. If he did spend the whole day with you, again, fine for him and your family. I'm just saying that in my situation, it would not work for me. I just am not at the point where I can feel obligated to someone else's biological child.

stepoff's picture

Look at it this way ... in 2 1/2 weeks he WILL be your daughter's father. It's father's day and he should be spending some time with his future step-daughter. Can't he take her with to the amusement park? If not, he should make some time either before or after the amusement park to spend time with her. And in the future, he really should mention to his BD that he can't go to the amusement park anymore unless your daughter is invited to tag along. There are lots of other things to do on father's day that everyone can join in on.

starfish's picture

spunki has a great idea ~~ should satisfy everyone..

and i agree with stepkate, making him spend the day with your kid is not right...

plus the amusement park is a gift from bd to her dad, it wouldn't be fair to take that away from her. and bd lives with bm and your daughter lives with both you & fdh full time..... i wouldn't start a fight over this one.....

stormabruin's picture

If your FH wants your daughter to respect him as a father-figure, he needs to respect her as a daughter-figure. In my opinion, this means sharing Father's Day. If his daughter is 19-years old, she's old enough to understand. She may not like it, but she's old enough to understand. If they can't take your daughter to the amusement park with them, maybe they need to make different plans.

kit2kat00's picture

I guess my whole thought process after divorcing was to find a guy who'd be good to me AND my daughter. I thought MAYBE he'd have a heart and try to be a father to someone who doesn't have one anymore.

I am confused's picture

I guess to me (as a guy) this isn't as tough as it sounds to everyone else.

Were I in this situation I'd call my teenager and say "hey kiddo, let's do something really cool. Jane (whatever your daughter's name is), feels awful on Father's Day because her dad doesn't have any contact with her. I love you and I want to spend Father's Day with you because you're my baby, but I think we could both make it a special day for everyone if we included Jane. She's young and doesn't understand and needs to have a male figure in her life too. If you really want to give me a great Father's Day, you'll invite Jane yourself and show me what an understanding, KICK ASS daughter I've raised. That will make me proud. When I married kitkat00 I married her daughter too, and kitkat00 married you too. We're a little unusual at this point, but we're a family and this would REALLY make things between you and kitkat00 great and it would change Jane's whole outlook on the family too. If you don't want to do it I'll understand but I think it would be a special sacrifice by you, and you can bet I'll make it up to you on some later weekend."

Yup. That's what I'd do. Maybe you can mention it to him...

Gia's picture

GREAT IDEA, except for the "you are my baby" part, I thought that was kind of OFF. But other than that, I think is a great idea to feel some responsibility on her shoulders, unless SD is a truly evil human, she will very likely invite the 9 year old for feeling sorry for her. Hopefully everybody being careful enough to NOT let the 9 year old know that it was out of being sorry for her...

kit2kat00's picture

I resent her evilness. if she can't even be nice to a 9 yr old, there's no hope for anyone. my daughter told her once that she sent a letter to some pop star (let's say it was Hanna Montana) and hoped she'd write back. SD says those all go to one person who doesn't even read them - she'll never get it so you won't get anything back. evil. a not nice (non-evil) person would say "yeah, that's nice" and be done with it.

kit2kat00's picture

my 9 yr old is actually tall enough to ride everything and she, DH and I were just at this amusement park a week ago for her school picnic. (I've left an open invitation to him to invite his daughter to any of my family functions and he refuses.) I'm sure he hasn't even told her we went because that might mean we exist. I do understand that 3 is an awkward number for an amusement park, though.

kit2kat00's picture

I Am Confused - I love you. That's the most sound advice I've heard and I've heard advice from professional therapists, too. (By the way, they said time spent should be shared and he refused to do that which is why I'm still arguing this after how many years.) I'd love for that to happen and that would be EXACTLY what I'd do in that situation, but considering his daughter won't even come to our wedding, I'd say he's not going to upset the poor dear by suggesting she share her time.

stepoff's picture

Why won't his daughter come to the wedding? I'm starting to think that his daughter is doing this on purpose to "remind" him that she's his only offspring, and to piss you off. Why won't she attend the wedding?

kit2kat00's picture

I don't know precisely, other than the fact that she can. he asked if she's coming to the wedding, she said no and he said "ok, think about it" and then, I'm sure took her to lunch. if my kid did that I'd be very hurt and disappointed and it would put a strain on the relationship I had with my kid. you'd think she'd want to be there for her dad. does she think her not being there doesn't make it real??

midwestmama's picture

My personal opinion is that it's not your bf's fault that your BD's father doesnt want to be in the picture, and since he has his own BD, it seems that he should spend father's day with her...BUT...what I would do doesnt matter in your situation. Bottom line is, you and your future DH need to lay it all out on the table regarding expectations of his role with your daughter. This is critical.

Clearly he has at minimum led you and your daughter on, that he is going to be the father figure to her. So if that is the case day to day, then it should carry over into Father's Day and his 19yo ADULT child should "get" that. It almost seems a bit manipulative on her part to even do the amusement park as a gift, because clearly, the dad and 19yo kid cant exactly take a 9yo third wheel around the park. We live close to Cedar Point and I know how this would go.

I seriously would figure this out before the wedding if it's ultimately gonna be a dealbreaker. Good luck!

herewegoagain's picture

As the devil's advocate I am, she hasn't seen her bio-dad in 1 1/2 yrs...you have been w/this man for 7...people don't stop seeing their kids because they want to, but because of the drama that comes with it...if he didn't care, he wouldn't have seen her since the day you split. Why instead of attempting to make your BF assume a father duty, you don't spend that time having your daughter get a card for her bio-dad? Why don't you call or write bio-dad and let him know that his daughter needs a relationship w/him and that you won'r interfere? Sorry, but I have seen so many women who re-marry and focus on their new man having a father relationship w/their kid while doing what they can to keep their kid from having a meaningful relationship w/the bio-dad...

kit2kat00's picture

herewegoagain, I appreciate the advice. BF suggested he give up parental rights if I give up child support, so I'm not going to acknowledge him as any kind of father. don't get me wrong, she hasn't suggested she acknowledge him either.

herewegoagain's picture

BF has suggested or bio-dad has suggested? "She" hasn't suggested? I'm confused...are you the man or woman? Sigh...

If BF (and you are BM), then who is he to suggest this? If he did, it's obvious he's part of the reason the kid doesn't have a relationship w/bio-dad...if bio-dad suggested, is it because he feels he has no rights anyway?I mean, I know most BMs are apalled if their ex wants to give up parental rights, which would include no cs...but the fact is most of the time the CP has "all parental rights", no matter what the co says but yet wants the other parent to still have the financial responsibility. Time and time again you will hear complains about not paying cs yet the cp wants to make all decisions about the kid...and then you have those who pay cs, claim bio-dad is not involved but still want to "own" the child and make all decisions.

Father's Day is about fathers...any effort being spent on making a sdad be w/a non-bio kid should be spent fostering a relationship w/bio-dad instead.

I know you asked what you should do an expected the "oh, poor little girl, sdad doesn't want yo be w/her", but again, that is not his job...and if she had an involved bio-dad this would be a non-issue.

In our case crazy witch always wanted to have DH's kid on father's day to please her husband...the whole "her sisters spend it w/him and she'll feel out of place"...now of course, years later she wonder why DH has such a distant relationship w/her daughter...My cousin's mother did the same thing...My husband's mother did the same...Every single BM I know has done this and then complained if their sf didn't see them as their kid...they should've spent their time pursuing a relationship for their kids instead of just cs...

kit2kat00's picture

I'm sorry - fast fingers - biodad suggested giving up parental rights in exchange for me giving up cs. sooooo - I'm not encouraging any parental relationship with him. he had his chance, he's done.

stormabruin's picture

If you & FH have discussed him sharing Father's Day with your daughter & he agreed, there's no reason for him not to follow through. He accepted the deal.

starfish's picture

who is really upset here ~ you or your daughter? and are you upset b/c it's father's day or that you & bd aren't invited to the theme park??? why don't you all go and when you get there bf & bd go one way and you & your bd go another and meet up for lunch... or take your bd somewhere she wants to go. i'm sure a 9 yr old would prefer to have a "her" day than tag along with adults all day... and truly it's a hallmark holiday -- make up your own sdad day and bd can have him all to herself then....

glynne's picture

I liked Spunk's idea. You can share Father's Day. Give him the time to spend with his bio kid and you and your daughter prepare a barbeque or dessert or both and share as a family: husband, his BD, wife, your BD. How nice that would be.

herewegoagain's picture

PS in case you believe "dad doesn't make an attempt to be a part of her life, why should I?" fact is, neither is your bf and yet you seem to work diligently to make them be closer...

herewegoagain's picture

Fine, it's your responsibility to be the mother...then why are you making it a priority for you BF or DH to treat her as his child? Because you love your BF or DH you want your child to love him too...but you no longer love bio-dad so you don't want your daughter to do it either.

If you truly felt you are mom and that's your only job, you would not care if your BF or DH treated her as his child.

aggravated1's picture

I am a mother of two kids that live with me and my DH 24-7. They have not seen their bio-dad in 4.5 years, due to HIS choice. There was no drama, there was no lets-replace-daddy-with-a-new-model,, he simply chose not to be a dad anymore. My DH is a father to my children in every sense of the word, he has been in their lives for 6 years, and damn straight he will spend Father's Day with them. Do I feel the same way about his kids? Nope, but they don't want another mom in their lives, but my kids want him as a dad. Any man that has spent every day with my kids for 6 years and would not spend Father's Day with them when they don't have a Dad had just better not let the door hit him in the ass on his way out.

violetforest's picture

This is the deal it is FATHER's DAY not kids day and not their birthday. what worked very well for my husband who is the sf to my three girls is that he took them out for a great day of makeover's the first time. It was a great bonding time and it took the pressure off the situation because he focused on things that he knew that they would like he had taken the oldest to her favorite ice cream joint for the AM snack on the way, followed up with the 2nd oldest favorite lunch place and then the PM junk food hang out of the youngest. In between he got their hair done, he of course had to let them choose how to have his done. Got nails done next along with a pet. for him which the girls still giggle about and then since he was out of money for new outfits they each got to pick out a new beach towel which after 8 years they all still have. He then came back and took the boys out for "rootbeer" and golf allowing the "boys" to "drive" the golf cart, went fishing with the picnic lunch that they had helped make including fried chicken and rhubarb pie. They did not make it back home until almost midnight. It has now become a tradition and our oldest 2 have graduated but still come home to have a day with SD. We wanted a family who is truly blended and this gave me time as SMom to the boys to fix his favorite meal, polish his clubs, clean his truck, make decorations and cards for dad to let him know how much we appriciate what he does for us as a FAMIlY. Just an idea that has really helped to bring us closer as a family.

kit2kat00's picture

Father's Day update - instead of SD19 taking BD47 to the amusement park, she takes him to a baseball game. ok, more in line. HOWEVER, he left at 10 AM, got back at 6 PM and totally blew off SD9 in the process, just like I expected. then as I was entertaining my father in my home, he bursts through the door and says he wants to watch golf. uh, NO!! he got mad and went to watch alone. (no "Happy Father's Day" from him to my dad either. his dad is deceased.) against my better judgment, my daughter wanted to buy him a small gift, so I forked out the money and did so. he was too busy sulking in the bedroom last night, so she had to give it to him this morning. I hope he felt like an ass for ignoring HER even though she acknowledged HIM. jerk.