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justmakingthebest's picture

Most of you know that me and my exH have a really good relationship. Our kids have always been our priority and we work really hard to coparent. 

I have always been the primary custodial parent and he has had pretty open parenting time. When he was local it was much more, when he moved 3 hours away, we made it work and when he moved 3,000 miles away we still are making it work. 

ExH and his wife are both in the AF and DH is in the Navy. Both DH and ExH have 21 years in at this point. ExH has decided to retire. Due to several factors and they are moving back to their last duty station that is 3 hours from us in March/April. While that is great for my kids... I think DH and I are about to get F**ked. 

DH is up for a higher rank and if he gets it (we will know in May) we will have orders out of here pretty quickly. I don't know if my exH would fight for custody of my bios (13/15 yrs old) or if we would just continue to make it work like I have done for him. I am terrified that even though I never fought anything he has asked for, he will fight me on us moving. Orginally we were both trying to plan it so that we could all be in SC in 2 years together and both Dh and exH retire at that point at a duel AF/Navy base. 

Now I just don't know what and if anything will happen and I hate this. My anxiety is to 100 and nothing has even happened yet. 7 months before we will actually know anything. I know my kids are old enough to have a voice in court. They love their dad and SM and brothers but have always said they want to primarily live with me. 

I just don't want to fight. I don't want things to become nasty between us. We have been divorced for 11 years and I would say for the last 9 we have had a really good groove and everything has been as easy as it can be when you are dealing with coparenting with an ex. I don't even want to bring it up but maybe I need to. DH isn't ready to get out and for us to reach our ultimate goals he would need to stay in to 26 years. I hate this so much...

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tog redux's picture

Well, if you guys have gotten along so well, what makes you think he'd fight it? And what makes you think he'd win? He's 3 hours away, so it's not like he can keep them in the same schools or something, they'd be moving either way. And he's chosen himself to live far from them throughout their lives, so it's not like the long-distance thing is new. Do you think he'd alienate/bribe the kids to live with him?

ETA: Also, if you think he might fight it, don't tell him now. Just make the plans to move as you always have in the past when DH got orders - and he'll have a harder time fighting it if you've moved already.

justmakingthebest's picture

He made a comment that moving back to be closer to the kids is "the right thing to do" and that being so far away has been too hard on them. Our schedule when he was at this duty station was every other weekend, rotating holiday's and spring break and 1/2 the summer. If we move it will have to go to what it is now- which is basically any time they are on a school break, they are with him. All summer, Thanksgiving, 1/2 of Christmas, spring break... It is still a lot of parenting time, day for day it works out to more than every other weekend. I might be freaking out for nothing but I am still freaking out.

simifan's picture

Your ex would have a very slim chance of winning even if he was in your district. Military moves are almost always approved even if it affects 50/50 custody. Given that he's moving 3 hours away, it changes nothing. The worst that might happen is you might be required to pay for transportation.

Thumper's picture

Oh geeze. You do not need  this on your plate.

Its unlikely xdh will meet criteria for custody change. Especially since the kids want to stay put with you. There is zero abuse and zero neglect.  Totally different outcome IF IF IF there was a history of dad pulling the alienation cards over the years and kids would testify against you in court. .  I don't see that here, you're very fortunate.

He would look like a ninny in court if he tried to.

PS. The ex should stay to 26 ---just saying Wink Maybe he has a GS job in the wings ???

PSS---love love love Charleston

 

justmakingthebest's picture

Thanks ladies... It is nice to have a little reassurance.

My kids are great students, active in sports, good kids. They have always been well provided for and loved. I have always been "home" to them. 

I don't really know what the exH has plans for with retirement. Apparently he told our kids that he wants to work at pepboy's.... He is an E-9 with a Master's degree in organizational project management. If I was his wife, I would be PISSED if he didn't get a real second career going! LOL

Thumper- MY DREAM is to retire in Charleston. That town has always had my heart! 

queensway's picture

There is nothing worse than worrying about something that is not in your control. Is this going to happen, or is this going to happen.You are worrying about something that might not even happen. But then again you are a Mum and your kids are your life. I get that. And respect you for that too. Either you are going to agonize over this for 7 months or you are going to realize there is nothing you can do right now. There is an old saying, I will cross that bridge when I get to it. I don't think your ex will do this anyway because of their age. But I get your concern. It will all work it self out when that time comes. 

 

 

 

justmakingthebest's picture

I will probably give myself an ulcer worrying for the next 7 months. It's kind of my thing... stress all the time and work myself to an early grave. Anxiety disorder is a ton of fun. 

Kidding... not really. Blah.. 

mommadukes2015's picture

If you guys have a sound relationship, just go talk to him in person and go with the notion of solving this problem together. If he is a reasonable human being he should understand. 

BethAnne's picture

^This.

Talking things through now sounds like the best option to me. Let your ex know up front that you guys are likely to be moving. That way he is warned that his move closer to you may only have benifits for a short period of time. Your ex and his wife can then make an informed decision about where they want to move. It sounds like you two have had good communication in the past so I would continue this rather than surprise them with your move a couple months after their's. At least this way you will know how your ex will react sooner than 7 months and have a chance to discuss things in an open way with him to find the best solution for you all.

It sounds like the chances of your kids living primarily with your ex are very slim.  BUT....IF they did....what is the worst that could happen? Is your ex a bad parent? Is their home unsuitable? Do you trust him and his wife to care for your kids?

I know you will miss them tremendously and the change will be difficult to deal with, but on the plus side you would get to spend the fun days of the holidays enjoying time with your kids rather than doing the drudgery of the academic year and making sure homework is done and staying in close contact with the school, making sure shots are up to date and dentist visits taken care of etc. Change can be scary to think about and tough to deal with but we usually get used to it and most things work out in the end. 

thiscantbenormal's picture

Did I read it right that exh and his wife want to move to SC when you do? If yes, and your relationship is good, why not ask him to put his move plans on hold til you find out where you guys will be going next.  And he can decide if he wants still move back to previous location, closer to your new future location, or just head straight to SC and wait for ya'll to join them.

justmakingthebest's picture

Yes, that was our ultimate goal. SM still has 10 more years in, but DH and exH were going to try and both get stationed at a joint base and both retire there as the kids graduate HS. We really do have a great relationship. We are trying to work on a big vacation next year with everyone if covid restrictions ever let up.

Unfortunately due to him retiring and his wife's current position and lack of child care where they are with 3 kids at their house full time (one being their new baby who is only 2 months old)- requesting orders is what they see as their only feasible option. 

I don't know why this is freaking me out like it is but I was up almost all last night terrified. It was like them making this move is throwing my life all out of wack. There was a plan. Now if we are the ones to move away, I just don't know what will happen. Logically I know that until things happen there is nothing to worry about- it is all maybe's. It is probably also an over-reaction just because of everything else going on... 

strugglingSM's picture

I'm not a BM, yet, so maybe it is easy for me to say this, but ultimately, the choice should be up to your kids. They are old enough now that they may have a preference on where they would like to live. They may want the stability of being in one place after years of being part of a traveling military family...and 3 hours is likely a lot closer to where you are now than your DH's future location. They may also want to try living full-time with their dad. They may not. He may offer up his home to them and they may say no for reasons that have nothing to do with you or with him. Ultimately, though, as teens, they deserve the opportunity to make that choice without worrying about hurting mom or dad's feelings.

Ultimately, when you're a divorced parent, you have to let go of controlling everything about your children, because the other parent has just as much right to be a parent as you do. This is not meant to be harsh or critical, but I think it's a reality that many divorced parents don't accept. This decision isn't about you, it's about your kids, but you view it as "losing" your kids, making it ultimately about you.

Your ExH may or may not tell the kids they are welcome to live with him, but if he does, my advice to you would be to not try to sway your kids. This would mean that you'd either have to keep your feelings to yourself or tell them that you would be sad if they didn't live with you, but you'd support them in whatever choice they made. It will be difficult, but your kids don't belong to you, they belong to themselves and they should be allowed to make the choice on their own. In reality, kids don't ever "belong" to their parents, even when their parents stay married, it's just that married parents don't typically have to contend with changing circumstances, like children deciding to move out of their home.

If you have a good relationship with your ExH and your children, you will all survive and be fine, even if one or both of your kids decides to move in with their dad.

I think a lot of the conflict many divorced parents have is that one or both of them feel that they have a right to "control" or "own" what the children do, even when the children are with the other parent. I know in my case, when we moved closer to SSs, BM started telling them "your dad is trying to take you away from me" and then they didn't want to even come to our home, because they were so afraid. She also tries to dictate everything that goes on in our home when they are with us. That is her way of making sure they never feel comfortable enough or view DH as enough of a parent to ever feel as if our house is their home. That means that even though DH and I have been married for almost 5 years, SSs are EOWE houseguests at best. They come to our home, they demand to be entertained and accomodated, they tell DH all the things that "mom says" he should be doing and then they leave. It's miserable and we are not a family. DH feels marginalized as a parent, because he has been by BM. I'm not saying that you do that, but I'm saying that you have to be careful to not create the idea in your children's minds that they belong with you and their dad is not a full parent and his home is not their home.

 

Picardy III's picture

Agree with all this. Since the kids love both families, maybe they would want to live with their dad for a time given the opportunity? Especially as they get into their teens, particularly boys - it seems to be the point of normal maturity where they pull away from Mom and more toward Dad, while loving both.

Might consider whether the flexibility and good nature you've shown your ex with kid arrangements might be "covert goodwill payment" for his never challenging your primary custody.

justmakingthebest's picture

That has never been our parenting style. We back up both household- Kids call me to complain about dad- I have his back. They complain about me to him- he's got mine. Hell, even when BM2 tracked my exH down and contacted him and tried to get him to team up with her and she would help him "get full custody" of our kids- he said no. That I am a great mom and DH is a great stepdad. There is no beef and she was not welcome to contact them again. Then he called and told me what happened. 

There was never a covert or underhanded reason for me to be accommodating. He never challenged custody because he was never home enough to be the primary parent. He knows how hard I work to provide and care for our kids. He knows that I support him as their father. 

Our kids, while they love their dad have never expressed a desire to live with him full time. I know that I don't "own" my children. However, I have been the constant for them their entire lives. Them growing up and launching off to college and life is one thing in "letting them go" but being forced to choose between my children and my husband on where I can live and who I can live with is another. 

And yes, not having children of your own yet does mean that you wouldn't understand.

Picardy III's picture

My comment about "covert goodwill payment" sounded too suspicious and harsh, I'm sorry. Quite unlikely that you co-parented well as any sort of bribery.

Rather, though, perhaps explore if it was easy for you to work well with your ex without fear of competition over your children, so long as circumstances dictated that you would always be the primary parent -- but it may not be so easy for you if circumstances change so that he could be primary?

strugglingSM's picture

I understand from the perspective of living with a parent who has been completely cut out of his children's lives. And we live close enough that he didn't have to be. He was the primarily caregiver before the divorce, but BM feels the kids are "hers" and he didn't want to fight during the divorce, so didn't go for 50/50 and it's his biggest regret to this day. When I met the kids, 3 years after the divorce, they would talk about "our mom and dad" and they were not referring to my DH. He was a babysitter at best in her eyes.

You say you and your DH have been their primary caretakers and you can't bear the idea of seeing them launch off before college, but that is about you, not them. It should be their choice, not yours. I think a lot of mothers convince themselves that what they want is "in the best interest of the children", but it's about their own wants and needs, not the wants and needs of the children.

Your assumption is that you have more of a right to your children because you're their mother. I disagree with that both on principle and based on my experience. I also firmly believe that divorced parents need to go above and beyond to allow their children to make their own decisions, without clouding them in their own needs or motivations, especially when the kids become old enough to understand their own wants and needs.

 

justmakingthebest's picture

I didn't say that I have an issue with my kids launching in life- I have an issue with having to choose between them and my spouse. Especially when my ex has been afforded nothing but support while he moved around for his career. 

BethAnne's picture

Who is making you choose?

Right now, no one but your anxiety is putting this choice in front of you. Talk to your ex. Let him know what the situation is and you may well find that him and his wife (with 3 young kids of their own) are perfectly happy with vacation visits from your sons or may want to move close to where you are planning on moving. 

If it turns out that he would like to to have main physical custody of them then you can start to work out if there is room to negotiate or if not you can talk to a lawyer about what your options are.

However your ex reacts to your news you will have answers, options and actions thatr you can take and you will feel more in control. 

strugglingSM's picture

Again, though, that is your choice, not your children's choice. You're acting as if they are a prize to be won between you and your ExH, when in fact, they are old enough to have an opinion in the matter. Maybe they see it as a choice between staying in the same area for their years of high school vs moving far away. Maybe they see it as a way to avoid one additional move. Maybe they want to try out living with their dad. Maybe they want to stay with you and your DH. Maybe it will depend on where your DH is sent. At the end of the day, my view is that it shouldn't be about the parents, it should be about the kids. 

If you feel that it's "unfair" because your ExH has been "given nothing but support" to move around and so now he owes you, then fine, treat it that way, but that's about you, not your kids. 

Picardy III's picture

You emphasize that you support your ex as their dad, while he moved around - do you not think he would support you as their mom, if they were living with him?

In any case - did your kids volunteer that they prefer to live with you, or did you ask them directly? I'd just caution that kids are pretty perceptive about which answer will make you happy, and may tell you what you hope to hear. Especially if it's just a hypothetical scenario at the time.

purplegirl201's picture

Please calm down. You shouldn't stress over what you can't control, I've learned that over and over again.

If you have been making it work up to now there is no reason to think you won't be able to make it work when it actually happens.